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12/17/2007 4:14:16 PM EDT
I'm looking for a laptop for my wife.  She's not going to use it for much business mostly for use in the home.  Its also a possibility that in another two years this laptop may venture out with our oldest daughter into the world of higher education.

I've decided to look at either the Dell Latitude 830 or the Thinkpad T61.  Both seem to be good laptops but I'm not sure who's got the better hardware.

BTW the Dell is slightly less expensive with the same specs.

I use Thinkpads for work and love them.  Dragged one all across the country for years and my company gave it to me when they upgraded me (after four years).  Unfortunately the LCD screen died and rather than replace it I figured a new laptop was the way to go.  

What says the ARFcom gurus?



12/17/2007 4:17:40 PM EDT
[#1]
MacBook
12/17/2007 4:19:41 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
MacBook


way overpriced
12/17/2007 4:22:49 PM EDT
[#3]
I work for a steel erection company, we have people out at jobsites all over the western United States.  Some of the job sites are pretty barren and hard on laptops.

We usually get our guys Dell D830s.  They seem to be holding up pretty well.  We have about 20 out in the field and so far we got one with a broken backspace key.  They are pretty fast for the money, and we haven't had any software issues with them yet.  

12/17/2007 4:23:40 PM EDT
[#4]

I love my Thinkpad.  Rugged, with the BEST keyboard on a laptop.

I'm a truck driver and I drag this thing around everywhere.  Bumpy, dusty, rough on equipment.  But the Thinkpad doesn't FAIL.

Your wife's needs may vary.

-p.
12/17/2007 4:24:38 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
MacBook


Compatibility issues especially with some elearning software. I am all for the Macs, but at this time there are still elearning tools out there that are PC only. I guess the solution would be Windows on a Mac.
12/17/2007 4:26:52 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
MacBook


way overpriced


not really


"Perhaps the most surprising thing about the MacBook is its price. Despite Apple's reputation for charging more, the MacBook is actually less expensive than its closest major Windows competitor.That would be the Sony Vaio VGN-SZ240, which also has a 13.3-inch screen with the same resolution, includes a built-in camera, and is available with the same processor and the same memory and hard-disk capacity as the MacBook.

When configured to match the major specs of the base model of the MacBook, the Sony costs $1,629, over 60 percent more than the MacBook's $1,099 base price...

And like all Macs, the MacBook is vastly superior to Windows machines in terms of bundled software and security. Apple's operating system is better designed, more stable and more modern than Windows XP. Its built-in iLife suite of multimedia software can't be matched on Windows. And it has -- so far -- been attacked by only two viruses, compared with the more than 100,000 viruses and spyware programs that plague Windows. Those qualities are worth hundreds of dollars, in my view."



12/17/2007 4:34:27 PM EDT
[#7]
With the Dell 830 you can run a media battery in place of the optical drive as an addition to the main battery.

They say "up to 15hrs of use'


I run two batteries in my Dell 4000 and get 7.5hrs total of surfing time.  About 5hrs with heavy drive activity.

I tend to believe if not 15hrs then at least 10hrs with those two batteries.




The Dell 830 is my next purchase.
12/17/2007 4:38:38 PM EDT
[#8]
No Macbook.  The wife does not compute Macbook and is quite familiar with Microshaft XP so I'm sticking with that.  Plus, if it does go to college with my oldest I'm not sure how much Mac is supported.

Here's what I'm looking at for specs:

Win XP Pro
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM
128MB NVIDIA video card
CD/DVD writer
Fingerprint reader?
Bluetooth
80 gb 7200 RPM HD (should I get more?)

12/17/2007 4:42:11 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
No Macbook.  The wife does not compute Macbook and is quite familiar with Microshaft XP so I'm sticking with that.  Plus, if it does go to college with my oldest I'm not sure how much Mac is supported.

Here's what I'm looking at for specs:

Win XP Pro
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM
128MB NVIDIA video card
CD/DVD writer
Fingerprint reader?
Bluetooth
80 gb 7200 RPM HD (should I get more?)




You could easily spec out the D830 with all that and more
12/17/2007 4:42:30 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
No Macbook.  The wife does not compute Macbook and is quite familiar with Microshaft XP so I'm sticking with that.  Plus, if it does go to college with my oldest I'm not sure how much Mac is supported.

Here's what I'm looking at for specs:

Win XP Pro
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM
128MB NVIDIA video card
CD/DVD writer
Fingerprint reader?
Bluetooth
80 gb 7200 RPM HD (should I get more?)



She might compute XP, but does she compute Vista? I take back my post about elearning compatibility issues if your daughter isn't going to be in college for two more years.
12/17/2007 4:47:25 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
MacBook


way overpriced


not really


"Perhaps the most surprising thing about the MacBook is its price. Despite Apple's reputation for charging more, the MacBook is actually less expensive than its closest major Windows competitor.That would be the Sony Vaio VGN-SZ240, which also has a 13.3-inch screen with the same resolution, includes a built-in camera, and is available with the same processor and the same memory and hard-disk capacity as the MacBook.

When configured to match the major specs of the base model of the MacBook, the Sony costs $1,629, over 60 percent more than the MacBook's $1,099 base price...

And like all Macs, the MacBook is vastly superior to Windows machines in terms of bundled software and security. Apple's operating system is better designed, more stable and more modern than Windows XP. Its built-in iLife suite of multimedia software can't be matched on Windows. And it has -- so far -- been attacked by only two viruses, compared with the more than 100,000 viruses and spyware programs that plague Windows. Those qualities are worth hundreds of dollars, in my view."





The closest thing they could find was an expensive Sony Vaio?  Please.  

A Dell D830 with 2.2ghz processor, 1.0 gigabytes of RAM, 120 gigabyte hard drive, DL DVD-R drive, wireless card, camera is $1079 according to Dell's website, free shipping.

A Apple Macbook with the same specs is $1299.

Go for a slower processor and a smaller hard drive on both, the Dell is about $900, the Macbook is $1099.
12/17/2007 4:48:14 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No Macbook.  The wife does not compute Macbook and is quite familiar with Microshaft XP so I'm sticking with that.  Plus, if it does go to college with my oldest I'm not sure how much Mac is supported.

Here's what I'm looking at for specs:

Win XP Pro
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM
128MB NVIDIA video card
CD/DVD writer
Fingerprint reader?
Bluetooth
80 gb 7200 RPM HD (should I get more?)



She might compute XP, but does she compute Vista? I take back my post about elearning compatibility issues if your daughter isn't going to be in college for two more years.


The Dell D830 can come with Windows XP for no extra charge.....
12/17/2007 4:50:19 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
No Macbook.  The wife does not compute Macbook and is quite familiar with Microshaft XP so I'm sticking with that.  Plus, if it does go to college with my oldest I'm not sure how much Mac is supported.

Here's what I'm looking at for specs:

Win XP Pro
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.00GHz) 2M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM
128MB NVIDIA video card
CD/DVD writer
Fingerprint reader?
Bluetooth
80 gb 7200 RPM HD (should I get more?)



She might compute XP, but does she compute Vista? I take back my post about elearning compatibility issues if your daughter isn't going to be in college for two more years.


The Dell D830 can come with Windows XP for no extra charge.....

Problem solved. I know they did this for a while, but thought they stopped. Either way we are stuck with Vista for the next two years at least.
12/17/2007 4:57:50 PM EDT
[#14]
I was is a similar position a few years back. After a ton of research I went with a Fujitsu. It was a tough call because they only have sales outlets on the west coast so I all had to go by was the pictures off the net. I have to say when it arrived I was overly pleased with my choice. In the three yrs I've had it no-zero-nada problems. It is light weight but has takes the abuse of being shleped around everyday in my work bag to and from the house in and out of the train. I have a S series Lifebook. Give it look if nothing else.
12/17/2007 4:58:30 PM EDT
[#15]
My last thinkpad was solid, currently on an HP NC8430. I like this one a lot, its a business class notebook so it came with a 3 year warranty standard. I would recommend getting anything from the big guys, but make sure it has a 3 year warranty.....
12/17/2007 5:11:34 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
MacBook


way overpriced


not really


"Perhaps the most surprising thing about the MacBook is its price. Despite Apple's reputation for charging more, the MacBook is actually less expensive than its closest major Windows competitor.That would be the Sony Vaio VGN-SZ240, which also has a 13.3-inch screen with the same resolution, includes a built-in camera, and is available with the same processor and the same memory and hard-disk capacity as the MacBook.

When configured to match the major specs of the base model of the MacBook, the Sony costs $1,629, over 60 percent more than the MacBook's $1,099 base price...

And like all Macs, the MacBook is vastly superior to Windows machines in terms of bundled software and security. Apple's operating system is better designed, more stable and more modern than Windows XP. Its built-in iLife suite of multimedia software can't be matched on Windows. And it has -- so far -- been attacked by only two viruses, compared with the more than 100,000 viruses and spyware programs that plague Windows. Those qualities are worth hundreds of dollars, in my view."





The closest thing they could find was an expensive Sony Vaio?  Please.  

A Dell D830 with 2.2ghz processor, 1.0 gigabytes of RAM, 120 gigabyte hard drive, DL DVD-R drive, wireless card, camera is $1079 according to Dell's website, free shipping.

A Apple Macbook with the same specs is $1299.

Go for a slower processor and a smaller hard drive on both, the Dell is about $900, the Macbook is $1099.


Mossberg is the Wall Street Journal's computer guru. I'm not sure what other hardware specifications he considered when trying to find laptops comparable to the MacBook. Regardless, even if your assessment is true, I'd gladly pay the $100-200 difference for the Mac's installed software suite, and the freedom from viruses/adware/spyware, and the OS stability, and the overall ease of use.

To the OP: Macs are more compatible with the PC world than you may realize.
12/17/2007 5:28:24 PM EDT
[#17]
My first place to look would be DELL with Win XP.

FUCK VISTA
12/17/2007 5:33:34 PM EDT
[#18]
Thinkpad.
12/17/2007 5:52:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Dell, hands down the dell. Throw down for the next business day in house warranty. well worth it.

Been schlepping Dells around the country for 8 years. Love 'em.

ETA - with WinXP -NOOOOOO VISTA