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7/11/2007 5:04:25 PM EDT
www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QALM9G2&show_article=1


al-Qaida Has Rebuilt, U.S. Intel Warns  

Jul 11 06:33 PM US/Eastern
By KATHERINE SHRADER and MATTHEW LEE
Associated Press Writers        

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to rebuild despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack.

A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal that will be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document pays special heed to the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

The group also has created "the most robust training program since with an interest in using European operatives," the official quoted the report as saying.

At the same time, this official said, the report speaks of "significant gaps in intelligence" so U.S. authorities may be ignorant of potential or planned attacks.

John Kringen, who heads the CIA's analysis directorate, echoed the concerns about al-Qaida's resurgence during testimony and conversations with reporters at a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday.

"They seem to be fairly well settled into the safe haven and the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan," Kringen testified. "We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising."

The threat assessment comes as the National Intelligence Council is preparing a National Intelligence Estimate focusing on threats to the United States. A senior intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity while the high-level analysis was being finalized, said the document has been in the works for roughly two years.

Kringen and aides to National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell would not comment on the details of that analysis. "Preparation of the estimate is not a response to any specific threat," McConnell's spokesman Ross Feinstein said, adding that it would be ready for distribution this summer.

Counterterrorism officials have been increasingly concerned about al- Qaida's recent operations. This week, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a "gut feeling" that the United States faced a heightened risk of attack this summer.

Kringen said he wouldn't attach a summer timeframe to the concern. In studying the threat, he said he begins with the premise that al-Qaida would consider attacking the U.S. a "home run hit" and that the easiest way to get into the United States would be through Europe.

The new threat assessment puts particular focus on Pakistan, as did Kringen.

"Sooner or later you have to quit permitting them to have a safe haven" along the Afghan-Pakistani border, he told the House committee. "At the end of the day, when we have had success, it is when you've been able to get them worried about who was informing on them, get them worried about who was coming after them."

Several European countries—among them Britain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands—are also highlighted in the threat assessment partly because they have arrangements with the Pakistani government that allow their citizens easier access to Pakistan than others, according to the counterterrorism official.

This is more troubling because all four are part of the U.S. visa waiver program, and their citizens can enter the United States without additional security scrutiny, the official said.

The Bush administration has repeatedly cited al-Qaida as a key justification for continuing the fight in Iraq.

"The number one enemy in Iraq is al-Qaida. Al-Qaida continues to be the chief organizer of mayhem within Iraq, the chief organization for killing innocent Iraqis," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Wednesday.

The findings could bolster the president's hand at a moment when support on Capitol Hill for the war is eroding and the administration is struggling to defend its decision for a military buildup in Iraq. A progress report that the White House is releasing to Congress this week is expected to indicate scant progress on the political and military benchmarks set for Iraq.

The threat assessment says that al-Qaida stepped up efforts to "improve its core operational capability" in late 2004 but did not succeed until December of 2006 after the Pakistani government signed a peace agreement with tribal leaders that effectively removed government military presence from the northwest frontier with Afghanistan.

The agreement allows Taliban and al-Qaida operatives to move across the border with impunity and establish and run training centers, the report says, according to the official.

It also says that al-Qaida is particularly interested in building up the numbers in its middle ranks, or operational positions, so there is not as great a lag in attacks when such people are killed.

"Being No. 3 in al-Qaida is a bad job. We regularly get to the No. 3 person," Tom Fingar, the top U.S. intelligence analyst, told the House panel.

The counterterror official said the report does not focus on Osama bin Laden, his whereabouts or his role in al-Qaida. Officials say the network has become more like a "family-oriented" mob organization with leadership roles in cells and other groups being handed from father to son, or cousin to uncle.

Yet bin Laden's whereabouts are still of great interest to intelligence agencies. Although he has not been heard from for some time, Kringen said officials believe he is still alive and living under the protection of tribal leaders in the border area.

Armed Services Committee members expressed frustration that more was not being done to get bin Laden and tamp down activity in the tribal areas. The senior intelligence analysts tried to portray the difficulty of operating in the area, despite a $25 million bounty on the head of bin Laden and his top deputy.

"They are in an environment that is more hostile to us than it is to al-Qaida," Fingar said.
7/11/2007 5:17:25 PM EDT
[#1]
OK.

We've been thinking that AQ has been weakened across the board, and it's apparently just not true.

We have been kicking their asses all over, but the fact that their stronger than they've been since 9/11 tells us something's really wrong and dangerous for us.

If this info is true, then yesterday's report that they're either headed here or already here causes more concern than I originally thought.

HH
7/11/2007 5:20:55 PM EDT
[#2]
... bomb their headquarters
7/11/2007 5:24:07 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
... bomb their headquarters


Wish we had a map that showed where they were/are.

HH
7/11/2007 5:29:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.
7/11/2007 5:32:44 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


If you were to take a WAG, what are you thinking about AQ either coming here or being here soon to do their dirty work?  Obviously, they're not as weak as we wanted or thought....and we're not immune to their attacks over here, either.

HH
7/11/2007 5:32:53 PM EDT
[#6]
Also the US govt also has been attacking the wrong people, ie people who are on our side; of course the real enemy is going to regroup and rebuild.  The WoT has turned into another war on drugs, which is thinly disguised as a war on guns.  So what else is new?
7/11/2007 5:33:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Destroy Medina.  Tell them if they don't stop Mecca is next.  On par with my theory of how to change Iran: kill a bunch of low-level Iranian mullahs right before Sat prayer.  Tell the rest they are next if they don't leave the governmnet to the people.
7/11/2007 5:33:12 PM EDT
[#8]
We're going to get hit and we're going to get hit hard.  Summer of 2008 will be the time... anything this summer will be small scale.


- BG
7/11/2007 5:35:54 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
... bomb their headquarters


Wish we had a map that showed where they were/are.

HH


Start here :

7/11/2007 5:37:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Tag for later.
7/11/2007 5:37:41 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Destroy Medina.  Tell them if they don't stop Mecca is next.  On par with my theory of how to change Iran: kill a bunch of low-level Iranian mullahs right before Sat prayer.  Tell the rest they are next if they don't leave the governmnet to the people.


Big +1.  If the Saudis don't like it, then they get smacked too.
7/11/2007 5:41:35 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Destroy Medina.  Tell them if they don't stop Mecca is next.  On par with my theory of how to change Iran: kill a bunch of low-level Iranian mullahs right before Sat prayer.  Tell the rest they are next if they don't leave the governmnet to the people.


Wow...I really like your input and style.  Unfortunately, we don't have the balls to destroy Medina or Mecca.  By the way, I have a couple of good friends from Tehran and they HATE what's going on over there.

HH
7/11/2007 5:43:56 PM EDT
[#13]
The only way they can be stronger is if their money raising capability is increased.  If thats the case, we can track and seize it or bomb the countries where the money comes from.

Its simple, cut off the source, cut off the head.
7/11/2007 5:44:41 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


If you were to take a WAG, what are you thinking about AQ either coming here or being here soon to do their dirty work?  Obviously, they're not as weak as we wanted or thought....and we're not immune to their attacks over here, either.

HH

I don't think so. I think they'll want us to get caught in a quagmire in Iraq with no outside support. I think you'll see more attacks on the UK in an attempt to split us.

If they attack us it might increase our resolve to fight them in Iraq. Likely not, but they know the current administration isn't popular and are taking incredible hits because of Iraq. The last thing they want to do is make it more popular. We, because of this administration's policies, have become ineffective when it comes to asserting our will overseas.
7/11/2007 5:49:47 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Destroy Medina.  Tell them if they don't stop Mecca is next.  On par with my theory of how to change Iran: kill a bunch of low-level Iranian mullahs right before Sat prayer.  Tell the rest they are next if they don't leave the governmnet to the people.


Wow...I really like your input and style.  Unfortunately, we don't have the balls to destroy Medina or Mecca.  By the way, I have a couple of good friends from Tehran and they HATE what's going on over there.

HH


Oh, I know.  I'm obviously joking for the simple fact that what I think is impossible.  It would surely work, however.  Sometimes it's fun to state the obvious and cut through all the crap.  In the end, our problem is that we aren't nearly agressive enough in pursuit of those who would kill us all.  Why?  We don't want to anger people.  Do you think Churchill or FDR cared who hated them?  What's right is rarely what's popular.
7/11/2007 5:52:35 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
The only way they can be stronger is if their money raising capability is increased.  If thats the case, we can track and seize it or bomb the countries where the money comes from.

Its simple, cut off the source, cut off the head.


So were going to bomb the city i live in ?
7/11/2007 5:53:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Guys, if you're looking for a good read try: The One Percent Doctrine. Good insight into the CIA and Al Qaeda.
7/11/2007 5:53:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks for the post Hawkeye, but as to the content of the article, I'm calling bullshit.



Quoted:
www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QALM9G2&show_article=1


al-Qaida Has Rebuilt, U.S. Intel Warns  

Jul 11 06:33 PM US/Eastern
By KATHERINE SHRADER and MATTHEW LEE
Associated Press Writers        

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

1. Define operating capability.


The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to rebuild despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

2.  personal opinion written by a hack with an agenda.

Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack.

A counterterrorism official 3. who? some inside anonymous source we are just supposed to buy like a pig in a poke?  familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal that will be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

4. i smell bullshit.

Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document pays special heed to the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

5. bare assertions without any factual basis.


The group also has created "the most robust training program since with an interest in using European operatives," the official quoted the report as saying.

6. good.  now we can infiltrate them.  Up until now, our problem has been we didn't have operatives that were arabic in appearance/language.

At the same time, this official said, the report speaks of "significant gaps in intelligence" so U.S. authorities may be ignorant of potential or planned attacks.

7. so what's new?

John Kringen, who heads the CIA's analysis directorate, echoed the concerns about al-Qaida's resurgence during testimony and conversations with reporters at a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday.

"They seem to be fairly well settled into the safe haven and the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan," Kringen testified. "We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising."

8. soooo we are seeing more movement/intel gathering?  we see the training?  insert operatives.  see the money?  trace it.  see the communications?  monitor them.  see activity rising?  react to it.


The threat assessment comes as the National Intelligence Council is preparing a National Intelligence Estimate focusing on threats to the United States. A senior intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity while the high-level analysis was being finalized, said the document has been in the works for roughly two years.

Kringen and aides to National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell would not comment on the details of that analysis. "Preparation of the estimate is not a response to any specific threat," McConnell's spokesman Ross Feinstein said, adding that it would be ready for distribution this summer.

Counterterrorism officials have been increasingly concerned about al- Qaida's recent operations. This week, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a "gut feeling" that the United States faced a heightened risk of attack this summer.

9. probably indigestion.  He is a zombie after all.  

Kringen said he wouldn't attach a summer timeframe to the concern. In studying the threat, he said he begins with the premise that al-Qaida would consider attacking the U.S. a "home run hit" and that the easiest way to get into the United States would be through Europe.

The new threat assessment puts particular focus on Pakistan, as did Kringen.

10.  we will soon be more actively involved in Pakistan's internal affairs anyway.


"Sooner or later you have to quit permitting them to have a safe haven" along the Afghan-Pakistani border, he told the House committee. "At the end of the day, when we have had success, it is when you've been able to get them worried about who was informing on them, get them worried about who was coming after them."

Several European countries—among them Britain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands—are also highlighted in the threat assessment partly because they have arrangements with the Pakistani government that allow their citizens easier access to Pakistan than others, according to the counterterrorism official.

This is more troubling because all four are part of the U.S. visa waiver program, and their citizens can enter the United States without additional security scrutiny, the official said.

The Bush administration has repeatedly cited al-Qaida as a key justification for continuing the fight in Iraq.

"The number one enemy in Iraq is al-Qaida. Al-Qaida continues to be the chief organizer of mayhem within Iraq, the chief organization for killing innocent Iraqis," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Wednesday.

The findings could bolster the president's hand at a moment when support on Capitol Hill for the war is eroding and the administration is struggling to defend its decision for a military buildup in Iraq. A progress report that the White House is releasing to Congress this week is expected to indicate scant progress on the political and military benchmarks set for Iraq.

The threat assessment says that al-Qaida stepped up efforts to "improve its core operational capability" in late 2004 but did not succeed until December of 2006 after the Pakistani government signed a peace agreement with tribal leaders that effectively removed government military presence from the northwest frontier with Afghanistan.

The agreement allows Taliban and al-Qaida operatives to move across the border with impunity and establish and run training centers, the report says, according to the official.

It also says that al-Qaida is particularly interested in building up the numbers in its middle ranks, or operational positions, so there is not as great a lag in attacks when such people are killed.

"Being No. 3 in al-Qaida is a bad job. We regularly get to the No. 3 person," Tom Fingar, the top U.S. intelligence analyst, told the House panel.

The counterterror official said the report does not focus on Osama bin Laden, his whereabouts or his role in al-Qaida. Officials say the network has become more like a "family-oriented" mob organization with leadership roles in cells and other groups being handed from father to son, or cousin to uncle.

11. that family mob is an easier nut to crack.

Yet bin Laden's whereabouts are still of great interest to intelligence agencies. Although he has not been heard from for some time, Kringen said officials believe he is still alive and living under the protection of tribal leaders in the border area.

Armed Services Committee members expressed frustration that more was not being done to get bin Laden and tamp down activity in the tribal areas. The senior intelligence analysts tried to portray the difficulty of operating in the area, despite a $25 million bounty on the head of bin Laden and his top deputy.

"They are in an environment that is more hostile to us than it is to al-Qaida," Fingar said.
7/11/2007 5:54:17 PM EDT
[#19]

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Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


No our actions are fine this is because the collapses of Pakistan and available safe haven there.
7/11/2007 5:56:30 PM EDT
[#20]
For what its worth, this was a big story on Fox news this evening on tv.
7/11/2007 5:57:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Well they have a total safe haven in Pakistan since the Pakistani Military signed agreements with the tribal sects that prevent their entry. Apparently Pakistan has allowed limited entry of US Special Forces, but it still is pretty much a "no go" area for ISAF forces.

We all know that SOB is just hanging out in that strip of land and if we had the balls we could take them all out within a month.

7/11/2007 6:00:08 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


No our actions are fine this is because the collapses of Pakistan and available safe haven there.
No our actions are not fine. Gitmo, Abu Graib, secret CIA flights, all provided fodder for extremist recruiting efforts. This is well-known in our intelligence community.

We proclaim one ideal, and our actions provide evidence that we do not attempt to live up to that ideal. Just on that basis our actions are not fine.
7/11/2007 6:00:51 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
For what its worth, this was a big story on Fox news this evening on tv.


Did they have any experts on giving opinions on this information?

HH
7/11/2007 6:01:00 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
... bomb their headquarters


Wish we had a map that showed where they were/are.

HH




7/11/2007 6:01:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

7/11/2007 6:02:48 PM EDT
[#26]
The problem with going into Pakistan is that our presense would likely accelerate the fall of the Musharef regime.  If that happens, nuclear weapons go on the open terrorist market.  It's a crappy compromise, but it's needed right now.
7/11/2007 6:03:30 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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... bomb their headquarters


Wish we had a map that showed where they were/are.

HH


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Ha Ha Ha...funny.  

HQ's...not the whole dang map!

HH
7/11/2007 6:03:59 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


If you were to take a WAG, what are you thinking about AQ either coming here or being here soon to do their dirty work?  Obviously, they're not as weak as we wanted or thought....and we're not immune to their attacks over here, either.

HH

I don't think so. I think they'll want us to get caught in a quagmire in Iraq with no outside support. I think you'll see more attacks on the UK in an attempt to split us.

If they attack us it might increase our resolve to fight them in Iraq. Likely not, but they know the current administration isn't popular and are taking incredible hits because of Iraq. The last thing they want to do is make it more popular. We, because of this administration's policies, have become ineffective when it comes to asserting our will overseas.


Bullshit, Al Qaeda understands one thing force, this time last year they were a shell in Pakistan then Pakistan made “peace” with them and they have since systematically dismantled and destabilize Pakistan. Al Qaeda has safe haven in Pakistan not Iraq or Afghanistan.

If you have been paying attention you see the tremendous beating Al Qaeda in Iraq has been taking for months they are in full scale retreat and the horrendous losses the Islamist took this spring in Afghanistan.

Our policies are working it is appeasement in Pakistan that does not.
7/11/2007 6:04:02 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH
7/11/2007 6:05:07 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


No our actions are fine this is because the collapses of Pakistan and available safe haven there.
No our actions are not fine. Gitmo, Abu Graib, secret CIA flights, all provided fodder for extremist recruiting efforts. This is well-known in our intelligence community.

We proclaim one ideal, and our actions provide evidence that we do not attempt to live up to that ideal. Just on that basis our actions are not fine.


Just plain bunk.
7/11/2007 6:05:49 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


It will both sooner than later my friend.
7/11/2007 6:07:05 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Well they have a total safe haven in Pakistan since the Pakistani Military signed agreements with the tribal sects that prevent their entry. Apparently Pakistan has allowed limited entry of US Special Forces, but it still is pretty much a "no go" area for ISAF forces.

We all know that SOB is just hanging out in that strip of land and if we had the balls we could take them all out within a month.



That is the correct answer; Al Qaeda was in ruin until the appeasers went to work.
7/11/2007 6:08:41 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
For what its worth, this was a big story on Fox news this evening on tv.


Did they have any experts on giving opinions on this information?

HH


I think they did, however, I was busy doing a few things and didnt get to listen/watch it. Just heard the initial part of the report.
7/11/2007 6:08:55 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


This is a generational fight and we had better get our heads around that or we are doomed.
7/11/2007 6:09:01 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


If you were to take a WAG, what are you thinking about AQ either coming here or being here soon to do their dirty work?  Obviously, they're not as weak as we wanted or thought....and we're not immune to their attacks over here, either.

HH

I don't think so. I think they'll want us to get caught in a quagmire in Iraq with no outside support. I think you'll see more attacks on the UK in an attempt to split us.

If they attack us it might increase our resolve to fight them in Iraq. Likely not, but they know the current administration isn't popular and are taking incredible hits because of Iraq. The last thing they want to do is make it more popular. We, because of this administration's policies, have become ineffective when it comes to asserting our will overseas.


Thanks, d....while I don't agree, I always appreciate your input.

HH
7/11/2007 6:11:04 PM EDT
[#36]

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Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


No our actions are fine this is because the collapses of Pakistan and available safe haven there.
No our actions are not fine. Gitmo, Abu Graib, secret CIA flights, all provided fodder for extremist recruiting efforts. This is well-known in our intelligence community.

We proclaim one ideal, and our actions provide evidence that we do not attempt to live up to that ideal. Just on that basis our actions are not fine.


Just plain bunk.

I highly suggest you read George F. Kennan.
7/11/2007 6:12:20 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


It will both sooner than later my friend.


I think you misread me...I absolutely agree they're going nowhere...here or there.  They're here to stay for a long time.

Am I misreading your comment?

HH
7/11/2007 6:13:20 PM EDT
[#38]
recruiting fodder?  when I fart, I think they get 10 more jihadis willing to die for Allah on my behalf.  No matter what we do, they will hate us.  The die is cast.  The path chosen.  Since Carter gave the Shah a roof and a bed, we were on a collision course with the use of nuclear force with Iran, the only question was who would be on the receiving end.
7/11/2007 6:13:27 PM EDT
[#39]

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We're going to get hit and we're going to get hit hard.  Summer of 2008 will be the time... anything this summer will be small scale.

If what you say comes true, it will ensure a Republican wins the White House.
7/11/2007 6:13:46 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

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Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


It will both sooner than later my friend.


I think you misread me...I absolutely agree they're going nowhere...here or there.  They're here to stay for a long time.

Am I misreading your comment?

HH


No I think we both are saying the same thing.

Before long we will be fighting them everywhere, including here at home. Fucking cockroaches.
7/11/2007 6:14:12 PM EDT
[#41]

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Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


This is a generational fight and we had better get our heads around that or we are doomed.


I wish our kids wouldn't have to fight this fight but unless something miraculous happens, they will be.

HH
7/11/2007 6:15:37 PM EDT
[#42]

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Not surprising really. Not good news that's for sure, but not surprising. Our actions since 9/11 have provided them recruiting fodder. Seeing their #2 man deliver an address from what looks like a TV studio shows us they aren't exactly cowering in fear. It also means they have an area they feel relatively safe in.


If you were to take a WAG, what are you thinking about AQ either coming here or being here soon to do their dirty work?  Obviously, they're not as weak as we wanted or thought....and we're not immune to their attacks over here, either.

HH

I don't think so. I think they'll want us to get caught in a quagmire in Iraq with no outside support. I think you'll see more attacks on the UK in an attempt to split us.

If they attack us it might increase our resolve to fight them in Iraq. Likely not, but they know the current administration isn't popular and are taking incredible hits because of Iraq. The last thing they want to do is make it more popular. We, because of this administration's policies, have become ineffective when it comes to asserting our will overseas.


Bullshit, Al Qaeda understands one thing force, this time last year they were a shell in Pakistan then Pakistan made “peace” with them and they have since systematically dismantled and destabilize Pakistan. Al Qaeda has safe haven in Pakistan not Iraq or Afghanistan.

If you have been paying attention you see the tremendous beating Al Qaeda in Iraq has been taking for months they are in full scale retreat and the horrendous losses the Islamist took this spring in Afghanistan.

Our policies are working it is appeasement in Pakistan that does not.

It doesn't matter what AQ understands. The perception among their potential pool of recruitees that matters. If they think we are a monster that needs to be stopped they'll join what they see is the most effective means of stopping us. We have managed to make AQ seem like their best chance at opposing us because we have made them out to be the boogeyman. And we have provided that organization with their best recruiting material.

If we had not elevated their status and had not given them materials to use against us, safehavens in Pakistan would not be as critical. We have to address the root cause. Pakistan may be the safehaven today, but if we don't address the root causes then another country will be the safehaven or another or another. Pakistan is just the current name on a map.
7/11/2007 6:16:07 PM EDT
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Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


This is a generational fight and we had better get our heads around that or we are doomed.


I wish our kids wouldn't have to fight this fight but unless something miraculous happens, they will be.

HH


I almost regret having kids now. We are making one helluva mess for them to deal with.
7/11/2007 6:16:09 PM EDT
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Aq isn't going anywhere anytime soon.



Nope....there or here.

HH


It will both sooner than later my friend.


I think you misread me...I absolutely agree they're going nowhere...here or there.  They're here to stay for a long time.

Am I misreading your comment?

HH


No I think we both are saying the same thing.

Before long we will be fighting them everywhere, including here at home. Fucking cockroaches.


OK...gotcha.  Just wanted to make I was on your same page.

HH
7/11/2007 6:16:29 PM EDT
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Before long we will be fighting them everywhere, including here at home. Fucking cockroaches.

Bring it.
7/11/2007 6:18:14 PM EDT
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Yet, our own borders remain a free-for-all for anyone who owns a color laser printer south of Texas.
7/11/2007 6:18:58 PM EDT
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I highly suggest you read George F. Kennan.


I suggest you start by listening to OBL and believing he means what he says. There are coming after us no matter what we do.
7/11/2007 6:18:59 PM EDT
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We're going to get hit and we're going to get hit hard.  Summer of 2008 will be the time... anything this summer will be small scale.

If what you say comes true, it will ensure a Republican wins the White House.
We won't be hit until we get a new administration or if we pull out of Iraq, whole-scale.

That doesn't mean we won't have Richard Reid AQ wannabes trying something, but a sanctioned AQ attack, no.

Most people don't know that there was an anthrax attack on NYC that was within weeks of being executed. It was stopped by AQ leadership. They didn't want to attack us. We only found out after it had been decided not to attack.
7/11/2007 6:19:31 PM EDT
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Yet, our own borders remain a free-for-all for anyone who owns a color laser printer south of Texas.

That's because it would be racist to secure our border.
7/11/2007 6:19:52 PM EDT
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Nope....there or here.

HH


This is a generational fight and we had better get our heads around that or we are doomed.


I wish our kids wouldn't have to fight this fight but unless something miraculous happens, they will be.

HH


I almost regret having kids now. We are making one helluva mess for them to deal with.


there's more to life, than this life.
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