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6/15/2007 5:11:07 AM EDT
According to USMC Public Affairs Division, they announced on June 13th the MV-22 achieved IOC.  This means VMM-263 is ready for expeditionary operations.

I'm still looking for the link, check back later.

ETA:  Still no link, have text though:


Marines: Osprey ready for deployment

Note: The following information was released by the Marine Corps on June 14.

The United States Marine Corps announced Thursday that the MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft achieved initial operational capability (IOC), meaning that both the aircraft and the first combat squadron, Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263 (VMM-263) are ready for expeditionary operations.

IOC is considered the final major milestone for any defense acquisition program prior to fielding.

Last month, Gen. James T. Conway, Commandant of the Marine Corps, announced that the squadron is scheduled to deploy to Iraq in September with 10MV-22s. While there, Ospreys will be used for medium assault support missions ranging from troop transport and resupply to casualty evacuation. The MV-22 will eventually replace all CH-46E helicopters for the Marine Corps.

Conditions required for the IOC decision include initial readiness of VMM-263, the requisite number of aircraft and equipment delivered to the squadron, confirmation of the combat configuration of the aircraft through operational testing and a robust logistical support network to keep the aircraft ready for missions on deployment.

The Osprey is the only operational aircraft in the world with the vertical lift capabilities of a helicopter, and the range, speed, altitude and payload of a fixed-wing airplane. The MV-22 can fly twice as fast, more than twice as high and three to five times as far as the helicopters it will replace.

The Marine Corps conducted dedicated operational testing in February and March for the combat configuration of the aircraft, known as Block B.

Marine Tiltrotor Test and Evaluation Squadron 22 (VMX-22) logged 185 flight hours with four aircraft in just 18 days, operating in the California and Arizona deserts. The Block B aircraft proved highly effective during its mission essential tasks.

"The aircraft did very well. We were actually above our normal mission-capable averages for those three weeks," said Lt. Col. Denny Sherwood, VMX-22 aircraft maintenance officer. Maintenance resources and supplies were all in keeping with standard deployment planning, he said. "We had the aircraft we needed to accomplish all the missions despite the high op tempo."

Those missions included assault raids, company insertions, recon insertions and extractions, casualty evacuations, tactical recovery of aircraft and personnel, noncombatant evacuation operations, and battlefield logistics. Missions involved fast rope and personnel hoist operations, external lift of the M-777 Lightweight Howitzer, live fire of the Ospreys’ M-240D ramp-mounted machine guns, and 22 aerial refuelings. A third of the flying was done at night.

Crews faced multiple ground threats day and night, to validate and refine the tactics, techniques and procedures for approaching objectives and reacting to threats. They also integrated operations with F/A-18 Hornets, AV-8 Harriers and AH-1 Cobras. For troop delivery and recovery missions, the MV-22s carried 22 to 24 Marines and their gear. Missions averaged 725 nautical miles round trip, with the four VMX-22 aircraft logging a total of 30,000 miles during the evaluation period.

"We absolutely went out there and operated in a very operationally representative manner," said VMX-22 Commanding Officer Col. Keith Danel. "You name it, we did it, and the aircraft held up very well. And we operated it in a gritty, windy, austere environment and maintained a very high tempo."

The Marine Corps has extensive experience operating the Osprey in the desert, and Sherwood said many maintenance lessons have been learned along the way. Besides prior operational testing in the desert in 2004 and 2005, VMM-263 completed an extended training deployment to Naval Air Facility El Centro, Calif., in September and October 2006. The squadron is currently training at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz. VMM-263’s deployment will be followed by deployments for the second and third MV-22 combat squadrons, VMM-162 and VMM-266. The Marine Corps is establishing Osprey squadrons from former helicopter squadrons at a rate of about two per year.
6/15/2007 5:26:15 AM EDT
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Bring them on!
6/19/2007 3:15:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Bump, 1st post updated.
6/19/2007 3:20:30 AM EDT
[#3]
How have they solved the transition problem?
6/19/2007 3:42:19 AM EDT
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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.
6/19/2007 3:45:15 AM EDT
[#5]
Hooray!

Only took them 20 years....
6/19/2007 7:56:16 AM EDT
[#6]

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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.


I am by no means an aerospace engineer, but I read several articles citing the "transition zone" as a severe problem with the V-22. It has to do with the transition between vertical and horizontal flight, which (according to the articles) caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).
6/19/2007 8:07:49 AM EDT
[#7]
Anyone know if they are equiped with ejection seats for the pilots?

B
6/19/2007 8:11:50 AM EDT
[#8]

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webpages.charter.net/d_nye/pics/tiltrotor.gif
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Bring them on!


apple seed
ghost in the shell
6/19/2007 8:14:25 AM EDT
[#9]
How long have they been figuring this crap out ? 2,3,5 years?
Great news BTW
6/19/2007 8:19:58 AM EDT
[#10]

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Anyone know if they are equiped with ejection seats for the pilots?

B


It's a transport.  

There isn't a transport made (that I know of) that has ejection seats for the pilots.

Sorta bad for the morale of the troops riding in back, dontcha think?  
6/19/2007 8:45:00 AM EDT
[#11]

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Quoted:

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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.


I am by no means an aerospace engineer, but I read several articles citing the "transition zone" as a severe problem with the V-22. It has to do with the transition between vertical and horizontal flight, which (according to the articles) caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).


How many of these aircraft have been crashed already?  I know some fairly senior officers falsified maintenance records to make the Ospreys seem more robust and it seems like dozens of marines have died.
6/19/2007 8:46:42 AM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:

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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.


I am by no means an aerospace engineer, but I read several articles citing the "transition zone" as a severe problem with the V-22. It has to do with the transition between vertical and horizontal flight, which (according to the articles) caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).


How many of these aircraft have been crashed already?  I know some fairly senior officers falsified maintenance records to make the Ospreys seem more robust and it seems like dozens of marines have died.


Two civilian and two military crashes.
6/19/2007 8:53:58 AM EDT
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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.


I am by no means an aerospace engineer, but I read several articles citing the "transition zone" as a severe problem with the V-22. It has to do with the transition between vertical and horizontal flight, which (according to the articles) caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).


How many of these aircraft have been crashed already?  I know some fairly senior officers falsified maintenance records to make the Ospreys seem more robust and it seems like dozens of marines have died.


Two civilian and two military crashes.


Doesn't sound like much to me.

Especially out of all of the times they haven't crashed.
6/19/2007 8:55:34 AM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:

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How have they solved the transition problem?


 I wasn't aware of one.


I am by no means an aerospace engineer, but I read several articles citing the "transition zone" as a severe problem with the V-22. It has to do with the transition between vertical and horizontal flight, which (according to the articles) caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).


I don't know what happens to the airflow over the wings, but this sounds like something made up by the Osprey haters.  Probably the same Washington "think group" that prints the same complaints every year even though they've all been proven to be a non-issue, or fixed years ago.  I would guess even if you did lose some airflow over the wings when converting, you are at the same time increasing the usefulness of the rotors to create lift.  You do lose some use of the airplane-style controls at lower speeds, but you gain the use of rotors for control like a normal helicopter.

After being grounded many years ago, they've been flying again (in testing as well as training) for 5 or 6 years.  I don't think conversion has been a problem in that time.  I saw them fly nearly every day for 2 1/2 years, frequently converting between airplane and helicopter mode on approaches and take-offs, and they always looked in control to me.  They appear quite maneuverable, even when converting between modes.

I think the biggest concern people have with the transition between modes is that they think it takes a certain amount of time and the Osprey is somehow more vulnerable during that time- but it's not like it becomes stationary or something.  It continues flying, basically doing the same thing any other helicopter would do.

I'm sure all aicraft, and all military stuff like this, has its quirks, and it's pretty common for someone to be chasing problems throughout the life of the aircraft, but I can't imagine it would have made it nearly this far if they had such a serious problem.


I guess we'll learn a lot this fall.
6/19/2007 9:07:11 AM EDT
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Hooray!

Only took them 20 years....


...and just might have been worth the wait...


The MV-22 can fly twice as fast, more than twice as high and three to five times as far as the helicopters it will replace.

6/19/2007 9:11:30 AM EDT
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caused near-stall conditions over the wings, and led to a partial loss of lift and subsequent loss in rate of climb and a potential for reduced control during a critical phase of takeoff (and to a lesser degree, landing).


Should be no problem under combat stresses in a challenging climate like the ME....

6/19/2007 9:20:14 AM EDT
[#17]
Most V-22 detractors tend to forget the problems their beloved CH-46 had when it entered service in the '60s. It seems the CH-46 had an issue with the aft rotor tower failing causing loss of the aft rotor. Frogs don't fly with only one rotor. Lots of Marines died, but those casualties were masked by losses in VietNam.
6/19/2007 9:20:44 AM EDT
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Anyone know if they are equiped with ejection seats for the pilots?

B


It's a transport.  

There isn't a transport made (that I know of) that has ejection seats for the pilots.

Sorta bad for the morale of the troops riding in back, dontcha think?  


Not true.  I saw one in a transport plane in this movie...



I'm still saving up for that Glock 7.  It's gonna cost me more than a month's pay!