Posted: 6/14/2007 2:04:09 PM EDT
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Look at this response I got from our Commanders Action line, I wrote in asking about personal wepons policy changes especially in response to recent Ft. Dix issues. Classification: UNCLASSIFIED -----Original Message----- From: XXXXXXXXX Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:06 PM To: XXXXXXXXXXXX SSgt XXXXXXXXXX Cc: Actionline - XXXXXXXAFB Subject: Response to Action Line 070603 SSgt XXXXXXXX, Thank you for contacting the Commander's Action Line regarding the base weapon policy. Below is your response from Brig. Gen. XXXXXXXXXXX. Thanks for your question. Federal law, specifically U.S.C. Title 18, prohibits the carrying of personal weapons on base. Our security forces have the capability to respond anywhere on base within moments, and we are confident in their ability to neutralize a threat quickly and effectively. We would put more innocent people in danger if we allow others to carry weapons or respond to incidents without the proper training. In addition, Security Forces are trained on how to respond to an active shooter, and immediately neutralize any individual with a firearm, thus putting you in danger if we allow you to carry a weapon and use it during an incident. In times like these, it is very difficult to ascertain who is the "enemy" and who is "friendly." During an incident, you should take shelter immediately and await further direction. If you are active duty, the XX SFS has an augmentee program if you wish to work with Security Forces. If you are interested in applying for augmentee duty, please contact your group or squadron augmentee program coordinator. v/r XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, 2d Lt, USAF Deputy Director, Public Affairs XXXXXXXWing, XXXXXX XXXXX Classification: UNCLASSIFIED |
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You know, that reponse sounds like the reset of the Communist Liberal BS that cause "free killl zones". Of course if Federal Law prohibits personal weapons on base there isn't much a General can do about it. BTW: I never knew it was a Federal Law prohibiting firearms on base. I always thought it was order by command(or what ever the technical term is). |
We wouldn't them thinking we are domestic enemies or something of that sort 
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What I love is that I know first hand how bad some of the training really is for the typical military police "officer". MPs require the lowest ASVAB scores and CO's can waive that another 10 points. I have no faith in that policy...even less since the email was written by a 2nd Lt. I would rather take shelter AFTER I have neutralized any immediate threat rather than cower and hope the MPs get there in time. However...since it is a lawful order... |
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From what I understand, the law was put in place during the Clinton administration. I don't have faith in security forces being able to respond "anywhere on base within moments" much more than calling 911 will save me from any bad guy I might encounter. The 1994 shooting at Fairchild AFB is a good example of what can happen in those moments before SF arrive. |
Tell that to the guy I did a CAT scan on the other day because he got stabbed infront of CIF. Nobody can keep you safe even on post. That being said (and I know I'm preaching to the chior) I follow the policy...for the most part. |
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Real simple.... no, noway nein, nyet uh uh, don't do it, forbidden, banned, contraband, no no, off limits, outlawed, refused, taboo, verboten, vetoed, unauthorized, unlawful, verboten, disapproved, excluded, forbidden, hot, illegal, illicit, interdicted, prohibited, Need I say more?...... 
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When I was in Commiefornia, Members in base housing could keep weapons if they were registered with security. Barracks people or visiters had to keep them in the armory. I was the one getting the call at 1AM to be at the armory for a incoming weapon turn in. I hated those calls. I never registered my weapons, plus I knew everyone in security.
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Etc, etc, etc. SOP. Nothing new. |
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Well... Try driving a truck (18 wheeler) having some AF rent a cop not let you on post, not let you check the weapons ( I carry a few with me), and the tards at the delivery point won't come get ther crap of my wagon....They NEED to have a standard safe like Anniston or Red River... or a few other post. I HATE having to sneak my shit in because if above reasons  
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| Dude, I'm Security Forces. That rule is bullshit, but it the policy from higher ups. It's funny cause every SF I know, that's 21, and qualified, has one in there car, house and motorcycle. I'm good friends with CATM and on off days we all go shooting at the base range. But I will tell you this, at least at my base, I've dealt with a handfull of really bad domestics, and from when we got the 911 call, maybe 1 min. till I was banging the door down trying to get into the house. |
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When I was at my first duty station, there were a number of times I would store POWs (personally owned weapons) in the car, but it wasn't a good idea. On the other hand, there were several times I had to get inspected at the gate, and they saw multiple gun cases that were obviously being used in the trunk and they didn't say a word, said I was good to go, and I was off. Then another time, I had no guns in the car, got inspected at the gate, the guy spotted some empty holsters in the trunk, and said something like 'I hope you don't have the pistols that go with those holsters in there'. We once had a guy that was keeping a pistol in the barracks. He was a major dumbass, had an AD INSIDE the barracks, the room right above mine. The round went through the wall into his bathroom, hit the floor, and was contained in the room. He got demoted and in some hot water of course, don't know if he ever got his pistol back. No one else in the barracks even heard it. His roommate told him he should just go get some stuff to fix the wall and they would keep quiet about it. So he went to get the stuff, got back, and found out the roommate reported him... |
Well, A and B. First of all, what is referred to above IS FEDERAL LAW. That's the Internal Security Act that says, in part, that base commanders can establish regulations for the protection of their bases. Now, a law specifically states such may be something else but the Internal Security Act is a federal law. B: Before or if someone has already said about this trampling on their rights, remember that being in the military is a voluntary decision. If one doesn't like the rules, don't go there, don't sign up. _____________________________________________________ ("Mr. Maryk, you may tell the crew for me that there are four ways of doing things aboard my ship: The right way, the wrong way, the Navy way, and my way. They do things my way, and we'll get along."--Captain Queeg, (wtte), "The Caine Mutiny") |
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Those guidelines have been around much longer than Clintoon.... I dealt with the armory and usually tried to keep weapons with a friend that lived off base. One time it didn't work out so well when I had my shottie and rifle above the lowered ceiling of an Army BEQ. The air conditioner leaked a floor above and saturated the drop panels and my booze and gunz fell out on the deck. The barracks NCO, a guy I thought would turn in his own mother, secured my gear and gave it back to me without any further incident. I carried them behind the seat of my pickup for a couple years on various bases, but random vehicle searches these days are probably much more frequent. |
Very true. And I have to say, that is at least somewhat of a contributing factor to why I'm not staying in. Also, BS like this: No CCW for Alaskan military |
| Guess I should have added the jist of the original letter. Basically just asked why a military member licensed off base for concealed carry can't keep their weapon locked in their vehicle (legally) while they are on base, and that it might be a good idea in case of Dix deal. |
Sort of reminds me when a senior officer demanded to know why the traffic control or gate searches or permanently mounting permits (I forget which these days) and I was given the task of writing the letter. I wrote a long winded one trying to explain why, giving examples of the infamous being caught during traffic stops ......................... and my HQ had a laugh at that. Military to military, when it is asked why, you refer to the instruction and just leave it at that. (Civilians, one might have to be a little bit more soft gloved). _______________________________________________ (Q has offered to be a guide and Piccard has refused him. "Oh, Captain, why, why?"--Q "The basic point is, we don't trust you."--Piccard, (w,stte), "ST:TNG") |
I was in the AF during Reagan administration and they had that policy back then too. Even though I was an SP (forerunner to the SF) we had to put our weapons in the armory too. Luckily for me, I worked the armory and for a small charge I would even clean the POWs for the owners if they wanted. If they didn't, I would just store them as they handed them to me. Even the Honor Guard weapons (non functioning) were stored there. True story: The SSgt in charge of the HG asked if I could put together a chromed M-1 for him he just got back from the platers while he went to chow. I had never put together an M-1, but I figured if a Marine could do it how hard could it be? By the time he returned from chow I had all of the chromed M-1s assembled, although a few of them couldn't have their bolts operated because of the build up of chrome. The guy was SOOO happy with my work, he told my boss (a MSgt). The next day I caught holy hell from him for assembling the weapons. I told him that they were all non firing, they only went together one way and the worst that could happen would be if they came apart while they were twirling them. Just to show you, no good deed ever goes unpunished. |
Fixed it 
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Zing!... 
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