Posted: 6/9/2007 6:47:09 AM EDT
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My opinion of AJ is that he is stark raving mad, while I do think that the NAU is a possibility and that there are people in power that do seek to estabilsh a socialist dictatorship, Alex is nuts. The number one thing you have to consider: His claims about the "concentration camps" 9/11 was an inside job, ect ... If there was any truth to these, trust me people that could sacrifice the people that perished on 9/11 would have no problems fixing a canoe accident for Alex or making him suffer from depression SO AJ supporters, explain why AJ is still alive? |
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Suppose for a moment that Jones is right and is telling the truth....... Now he comes across as a "madman". Therefore he is easy to ridicule. That in a perverse way makes him "useful". More people will dismiss him as a crackpot. If he turns up mysteriously dead then what he has been saying gains a lot more credibility and then what happens? You would not want that if you were up to nefarious schemes. He is better off to you alive. |
And the true genius of the conspiracy is there is NO PROOF !. That just proves how cunning and devious the Bush/Cheney/Haliburton conspiracy is ! The absense of proof is proof itself. You are a sheep if you don't see it.   //tinfoil off |
Yes that was a completely predictable response… whatever the condition, whatever happens it is part of the conspiracy. |
Well gee Alex Jones has discovered the NORM for human history. Please show us a time when a Global Aristocracy did not exist. |
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there's nothing that can prove their arguments wrong. that's the problem with him and the loose change radical left. But I'm really only talking about their 9/11 stance. He's right on other issues, like the RFID chips. Those are real. And the increasing amount of cameras everywhere now in society put up by local or federal governments. The aim may be by the individuals to be to catch criminals, but the bigger reason and consciousness that works like a large brain or machine is to have more control over the people. |
Yes, they exist, but what they try to do with them in a conspiracy setting is ridiculous. Were you around for the "money has RFID strips in them so you have to wrap them in tinfoil" threads? Those started from an Alex Jones web site. |
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What if there was a conspiracy inside another conspiracy? Go with me here. The Government puts Alex Jones into the media as the head conspiracy theorist. Then they make him look mad, so when you decide if you want to believe a particular theory, hes the one you mentally associate yourself with, therefore discrediting the story with no need for an actual rebuttal. The .gov can simply sit back and watch the problem solve itself. Huh? Yeah.. never thought of that did ya. I think he's right on a few points, but nuttier than squirrel turds on others.  |
That I agree with. If he is right, then he is right, if wrong, then he is wrong. But if nothing else, the guy can be entertaining. Take him with a grain of salt, and do your own research. |
From what I've seen, Rudy, or for that matter anybody in the mainstream, is not afraid of the AJ crowd. They just don't give him the time of day because to do so would suggest that the AJ crowd has legitimate questions and hold legitimate views, which they do not. As another said above, the overall effect of Alex Jones has made a tyrant's job easier. |
RFID chips are real, BUT they are not a people-tracking device, due to range. They are a 'tag everything in your store and take inventory in 10 seconds/stop shoplifters automatically' sort of thing... Even if your state RFIDed your driver's license, it would only be readable at stopped-for-speeding, cop at the window distances... |
Remember the October Surprise? Ted Kennedy: "It is because there is no evidence that we need an investigation."
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I would say a mix of both. 
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Y'all should raid his office. 
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The difference now is that citizens have far less power in relation to their governments that ever before due to the advances in weapons, communications, and the collection, storage, and analysis of information, which the citizen either has no access to due to legal restrictions, or for reasons of cost. That, and the ever-growing layers of bureaucracy that are piling up. And Socialism. A few years ago, it was you with your rifle against the sheriff with his shotgun or six-gun. Or you could just skip town and start over in another town. Now they can track your communications, finances, and DNA. None of which really has anything to do with Alex Jones. Whether or not he is a loon does not make the coming tyranny any less real. |
Jones' idea of Global Aristocracy includes UFO type alien's at the top. He's a loon of the first order. I've listened to his rants on Mancow enough to not waste my time on him. |
No People historically have had FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR less power in relation to their governments than today. Other than those in the “Aristocracy” people historical have ZERO control of their lives, the last 100 years are a aberration in that respect. |
Yes they are a people tracking device, as for range 15 feet is plenty to tell the store when you enter and leave. If the RFID tag is embedded into say a jacket, then every store can track you with that unique identifer. But that isn't my fear, I dont like it but I dont fear it. What I fear is the government not needing a warrent to aquire that same info from all the places that have that info and then being able to track me for no good reason without anyone knowing. How can that now scare the crap out of you! |
Wrong. Refute any of the points I made. |
The recent murder here in Kansas City is proof of that. They used multiple surveillence tapes + tracked her to within a 1/2 mile using cell towers. Kinda showed their capabilities. |
There is nothing to refute history is clear. Do you really think the average person had any control of their lives pre 20th Century? Most people were variations of slaves: Sweat shops Share croppers Serfs Peons Black Slaves Women basically as property Ect. You may have some romantic notion of the world but that never existed for the vast bulk of people. Servitude and enslavement are the historical norm for humans, freedom is the aberration. |
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AJ sensationalizes issues to get people fired up. He does have many valid points, if you do your own research. He actually states "Don't believe me-see for yourself." I think the reason he is so dramatic is to get people riled up, due to whats at stake. The level of ignorance in this country is at an all time high, and people do need to wake up, before its too late. The problem-reaction-solution paradigm is a reality.
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Very simply A) 'Your' transaction data allready belongs not to you but to the bank, and the stores you do business with... B) Thus they can track you without a warrant by getting your transactions from your bank/credit-card company.... So C) RFID changes nothing, and PRIVATE-SECTOR uses of it (such as SpeedPass, or RFIDing individual products so you can just park your cart on a pad, swipe your credit card or speedpass, and go) make life much easier for those of us who hate dealing with lines, dumb cashiers, cash/checks/change, etc... -AND- D) RFID with a 15ft range is a very POOR people-tracking technology, as it only works where RFID sensors are in place and we are NOT going to be able to cover the whole US in RFID readers.... All it tells anyone - IF stores start using it for checkout/entry/exit, is that you were in a certain place at a certain time, that you entered, and that you left... Remember - paranoia aside, NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU BUY OR WHERE YOU BOUGHT IT BEYOND AD COMPANIES, AND IF YOU BECOME A 'PERSON OF INTEREST" TO THE GOVT THEY CAN GET THIS FROM THE BANK ANYWAY.... It does not allow anyone to follow you home, or track your actual movements unless they can stay within 15ft, and at that range they would be following you visually anyway... |
And proves my point - NO RFID was required for that.... And it was a good thing they COULD do that too - closed a murder, didn't infringe on anyone's rights (tapes were private property handed over voluntarily, cell phone belonged to the victim).... |
Have to agree with Max Mike. |
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I never understood the whole "tracked by a RFID" nonsense. "They" know where you work, Where you live, and where you bank. You are even in the phone book and more than likely on Google. No one really cares that you visit the same Starbucks three times in one week.
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