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6/1/2007 9:19:42 PM EDT
Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?
6/1/2007 9:22:32 PM EDT
[#1]
I live in one of the most haunted cities in the world. I have seen/ heard / experienced many poltergeist situations. None of which I will discuss on this board.
6/1/2007 9:23:09 PM EDT
[#2]
ghosts are bullshit
6/1/2007 9:23:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Ghosts are about as real as your girlfriend.
6/1/2007 9:23:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Well, since they don't exist...no.
6/1/2007 9:24:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Yes, as evidenced by these documentary photos:

6/1/2007 9:24:20 PM EDT
[#6]

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I live in one of the most haunted cities in the world. I have seen/ heard / experienced many poltergeist situations. None of which I will discuss on this board.


6/1/2007 9:25:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Unless it's happened to you you'll never believe it.
6/1/2007 9:27:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Ghost drivers have.
6/1/2007 9:27:16 PM EDT
[#9]
Yes.  But the dead tell no tales.
6/1/2007 9:27:27 PM EDT
[#10]
There is no such thing as a ghost.

Unless the same people who wish to believe in something not in the physical world is somehow bound by the laws of physics and gravity.
6/1/2007 9:27:29 PM EDT
[#11]

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Unless it's happened to you you'll never believe it.


I could make up something lame and use that exact same tactic on you.

YEAH MAN THE OTHER DAY, I SAW A REAL TRANSFORMER. HE WENT INSIDE OF A GROCERY STORE AND HE STEPPED ON AN OLD LADY AND KILLED HER INSTANTLY. THE NEWS DIDN'T REPORT IT IN FEAR OF THEIR LIFE. BUT NO ONE WILL BELIEVE ME UNTIL THEY SEE IT.

Christ, this is how Al Gore fools you idiots.
6/1/2007 9:28:37 PM EDT
[#12]

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There is no such thing as a ghost.

 



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6/1/2007 9:29:47 PM EDT
[#13]
The Easter Bunny, the Toothfairy and Leprechauns have all killed people.  But not ghosts.


6/1/2007 9:30:35 PM EDT
[#14]

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There is no such thing as a ghost.

 



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6/1/2007 9:31:14 PM EDT
[#15]

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Unless it's happened to you you'll never believe it.


I could make up something lame and use that exact same tactic on you.

YEAH MAN THE OTHER DAY, I SAW A REAL TRANSFORMER. HE WENT INSIDE OF A GROCERY STORE AND HE STEPPED ON AN OLD LADY AND KILLED HER INSTANTLY. THE NEWS DIDN'T REPORT IT IN FEAR OF THEIR LIFE. BUT NO ONE WILL BELIEVE ME UNTIL THEY SEE IT.

Christ, this is how Al Gore fools you idiots.


Was it First Coast News cause they wouldn't run the story on my Dad getting killed on your shitty roads either
6/1/2007 9:31:19 PM EDT
[#16]

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There is no such thing as a ghost.

 



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6/1/2007 9:31:24 PM EDT
[#17]
They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.
6/1/2007 9:32:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Traditionally, ghosts can herald a death.

Then there is the legend of the hotel room in on Drury Lane, in London that supposedly chases out or kills anyone who stays the night.

6/1/2007 9:33:21 PM EDT
[#19]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


6/1/2007 9:33:26 PM EDT
[#20]

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There is no such thing as a ghost.

 



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I have to disagree , one time I saw a ghost deer 400yards , huge buck maybe 14 points

I shot and it walked away, no way it could have been my shooting so it must
have been a ghost.
6/1/2007 9:33:27 PM EDT
[#21]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.




Yeah, there's 'evidence' out there of the existence of ghosts.  Has the Toothfairy been proven?  I found a quarter under my pillow on more than one occasion!  That's some pretty compelling 'evidence'.
6/1/2007 9:33:43 PM EDT
[#22]



Ghosts dont kill people.  They did however cause the mass extinction of bigfoot.
6/1/2007 9:33:48 PM EDT
[#23]

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Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?


You ate those MUSHROOMS didn't you
6/1/2007 9:35:22 PM EDT
[#24]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.




Yeah, there's 'evidence' out there of the existence of ghosts.  Has the Toothfairy been proven?  I found a quarter under my pillow on more than one occasion!  That's some pretty compelling 'evidence'.


My, that was an intelligent reply.
6/1/2007 9:35:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I mean, in all the fake stories or 'real' stories, is there any story of a 'ghost' killing a live person?
6/1/2007 9:35:59 PM EDT
[#26]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.




Yeah, there's 'evidence' out there of the existence of ghosts.  Has the Toothfairy been proven?  I found a quarter under my pillow on more than one occasion!  That's some pretty compelling 'evidence'.


My, that was an intelligent reply.


More than the post I replied to.


ETA: You're talking about the Easter Bunny and the Toothfairy.  Get a fucking grip on yourself; it's for children.  How 'intelligent' a reply do you think this kind of juvenile nonsense deserves?
Smurfs.  The Smurfs take your carkeys int he night and hide them in the couch.  WTF?
6/1/2007 9:36:00 PM EDT
[#27]

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Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?


You ate those MUSHROOMS didn't you


6/1/2007 9:36:39 PM EDT
[#28]

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Certainly not on TV I'm confused, does this mean that a ghost has never killed anyone on TV?  If I had to guess I'd say that's incorrect.  but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person? "killed a live person"?  Whether or not one believes in ghosts, I think it's safe to say that that's the only kind of person it's possible to kill.


OK, even if we were to assume that ghosts do indeed exist, how do you think anyone here would be able to answer that question?  I don't think we're likely to see a newspaper story titled "Man dies after being pushed down stairs by ghost".  

Maybe you could search the internet.  If you find a good link to a story about a ghost murdering a live person, post it up for us.
6/1/2007 9:38:29 PM EDT
[#29]

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Unless it's happened to you you'll never believe it.


I could make up something lame and use that exact same tactic on you.

YEAH MAN THE OTHER DAY, I SAW A REAL TRANSFORMER. HE WENT INSIDE OF A GROCERY STORE AND HE STEPPED ON AN OLD LADY AND KILLED HER INSTANTLY. THE NEWS DIDN'T REPORT IT IN FEAR OF THEIR LIFE. BUT NO ONE WILL BELIEVE ME UNTIL THEY SEE IT.

Christ, this is how Al Gore fools you idiots.


Was it First Coast News cause they wouldn't run the story on my Dad getting killed on your shitty roads either


I'm sorry to hear that, man.

The news doesn't care about our loved ones, they care about getting viewers.

If a ghost killed someone, you can bet your ass those attention whores would have reported it. They have no problem reporting in the battlefield with no firearm, I can't see why they'd be afraid of ghosts.
6/1/2007 9:38:47 PM EDT
[#30]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


Alright, tell me, what can a ghost do?

Fly?

Float through walls?

What is a ghost able to do in the physical world?

What are they made of?

Are they bound by the laws of nature?
6/1/2007 9:39:28 PM EDT
[#31]

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I mean, in all the fake stories or 'real' stories, is there any story of a 'ghost' killing a live person?


I've heard of Ghost Mods on this site killing people off...
6/1/2007 9:40:20 PM EDT
[#32]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


Alright, tell me, what can a ghost do?

Fly?

Float through walls?

What is a ghost able to do in the physical world?

What are they made of?

Are they bound by the laws of nature?


So what you're suggesting is...

Ghosts are superheroes?
6/1/2007 9:41:39 PM EDT
[#33]

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Certainly not on TV I'm confused, does this mean that a ghost has never killed anyone on TV?  If I had to guess I'd say that's incorrect.  but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person? "killed a live person"?  Whether or not one believes in ghosts, I think it's safe to say that that's the only kind of person it's possible to kill.


OK, even if we were to assume that ghosts do indeed exist, how do you think anyone here would be able to answer that question?  I don't think we're likely to see a newspaper story titled "Man dies after being pushed down stairs by ghost".  

Maybe you could search the internet.  If you find a good link to a story about a ghost murdering a live person, post it up for us.


What I'm getting at is, all these "ghost detectives" you see on TV are always being real dramatic and scared about where they are. I'm thinking, if there is no case of a "ghost" killing a person, then anyone could spend a night in any place where a "ghost" may be (if they exist) with no more fear of anything than being pushed or shoved.

So big hairy deal.
6/1/2007 9:42:48 PM EDT
[#34]

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Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?


only known case that I've heard of .

www.bellwitch.org/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Witch

I've been wanting to visit the place but my wife is terrified of the bell witch . she won't even let you mention her name in front of her. lots of weirder stuff has happened.
6/1/2007 9:43:05 PM EDT
[#35]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


Alright, tell me, what can a ghost do?

Fly?

Float through walls?

What is a ghost able to do in the physical world?

What are they made of?

Are they bound by the laws of nature?


They have filmed them opening doors - one door had a mattress leaning against it.  Access was controlled, the door was a door to a closet.  They have many films of objects moving by themselves in controlled locations.  The easy way out is to assume its all faked, because it doesn't disturb your world view.  In reality, its just  a belief rather than a rational position, which is what they accuse people who believe in ghosts of having.
6/1/2007 9:44:07 PM EDT
[#36]
When someone gets actual proof showing that ghosts exist, we will hear about it after they get their million dollar check from Randi. Until then, or similar rigorous proofing, they're nothing but campfire stories.
6/1/2007 9:46:46 PM EDT
[#37]

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Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?


only known case that I've heard of .

www.bellwitch.org/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Witch

I've been wanting to visit the place but my wife is terrified of the bell witch . she won't even let you mention her name in front of her. lots of weirder stuff has happened.


 We need an AR15.com haunted house sleep over. Can you just imagine how many guns will go off during the night....
6/1/2007 9:47:18 PM EDT
[#38]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


Alright, tell me, what can a ghost do?

Fly?

Float through walls?

What is a ghost able to do in the physical world?

What are they made of?

Are they bound by the laws of nature?


They have filmed them opening doors - one door had a mattress leaning against it.  Access was controlled, the door was a door to a closet.  They have many films of objects moving by themselves in controlled locations.  The easy way out is to assume its all faked, because it doesn't disturb your world view.  In reality, its just  a belief rather than a rational position, which is what they accuse people who believe in ghosts of having.


Well, that does it for me...must be ghosts.



No, just kidding...it was the Toothfairy.
6/1/2007 9:47:20 PM EDT
[#39]
6/1/2007 9:48:15 PM EDT
[#40]
youtube.com/watch?v=Bf8k59Woi0c
6/1/2007 9:48:30 PM EDT
[#41]

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img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/slickidiot/vigo.jpg


Vigo!

6/1/2007 9:49:00 PM EDT
[#42]

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They've caught them on film in Ghost Hunters under scientifically controlled conditions, in areas that it was determined to have no human beings.  The St Augustine Lighthouse investigation clearly shows something looking over the railing.  There was nowhere a person could have hidden and played a practical joke.  They go into these places with the predisposition of explaining everything according to natural causes, but occasionally they run into things they cannot explain.  Of course, no amount of evidence would satisfy some, as they have taken a definitively unscientific bias against any evidence contrary to their world view.


Alright, tell me, what can a ghost do?

Fly?

Float through walls?

What is a ghost able to do in the physical world?

What are they made of?

Are they bound by the laws of nature?


They have filmed them opening doors - one door had a mattress leaning against it.  Access was controlled, the door was a door to a closet.  They have many films of objects moving by themselves in controlled locations.  The easy way out is to assume its all faked, because it doesn't disturb your world view.  In reality, its just  a belief rather than a rational position, which is what they accuse people who believe in ghosts of having.


Not really an answer to the question. Are they bound by the laws of physics? What are they made of? Why can't we see them?
6/1/2007 9:49:15 PM EDT
[#43]
How do we truly know that our reality is the only reality? Have you ever been in a room alone and damned well saw somebody out of the corner of your eye but nobody is there? My Dad came to me about 10 days after he was killed, wierd experience for me because following it I was completely at peace with the event. Just a dream? How about the four other people who had their own dreams on the same night, all different experiences but to a person they wrote down the exact same clothing description and physical actions.
6/1/2007 9:50:53 PM EDT
[#44]

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How do we truly know that our reality is the only reality? Have you ever been in a room alone and damned well saw somebody out of the corner of your eye but nobody is there? My Dad came to me about 10 days after he was killed, wierd experience for me because following it I was completely at peace with the event. Just a dream? How about the four other people who had their own dreams on the same night, all different experiences but to a person they wrote down the exact same clothing description and physical actions.


How do we truly know that it isn't reality?

You realize that we don't even know the full potential of the human brain yet, right.

The chemistry that makes your brain run is so complex, that we will never understand the cause of non-induced hallucinations.
6/1/2007 9:51:56 PM EDT
[#45]

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Certainly not on TV but if you actually believe in them, has there ever been a case where one killed a live person?


only known case that I've heard of .

www.bellwitch.org/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Witch

I've been wanting to visit the place but my wife is terrified of the bell witch . she won't even let you mention her name in front of her. lots of weirder stuff has happened.


 We need an AR15.com haunted house sleep over. Can you just imagine how many guns will go off during the night....


I'm game , I'll even sleep next to the cave.
6/1/2007 9:52:20 PM EDT
[#46]

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I live in one of the most haunted cities in the world. I have seen/ heard / experienced many poltergeist situations. None of which I will discuss on this board.


wimp
6/1/2007 9:53:33 PM EDT
[#47]
This is Casper... I exist, no, I really do....
6/1/2007 9:53:54 PM EDT
[#48]
I'll believe in a ghost when I see or experience one one day.
6/1/2007 10:00:06 PM EDT
[#49]
I've spent the night in this building 3 times.  Bonhanan Cabin




And I've never seen or heard anything.  A couple of my reenactor buddies said they did however.



www.militaryghosts.com/washita.html
6/1/2007 10:00:39 PM EDT
[#50]
I have never experienced one, but I believe the rational approach is to consider the possibility that they may exist.  There are many people, some quite reputable, who have experienced them.  You can't say the same regarding the Tooth Fairy.  That's the Straw Man logical fallacy.
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