[ARCHIVED THREAD] - First Fudd encounter - Updated 6/06 (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 5/31/2007 4:25:51 AM EDT
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When to my gun club yesterday to sight in my A4 clone (all Bushmaster) and function test my BUG, a Glock 39. Two older males and one female shooting lever action pistol caliber carbines on the far right of the range. I unload my target stand, targets and ammo, then go for my A4. As I uncase it the following "conversation" ensues: "You ain't gonna shoot that goddamned machinegun on this range" "Not a machine gun, Sir, just a semi auto rifle." "You can't tell me what a machine gun is, I was in Korea." Not wanting to go into a technical explaination, I said I just wanted to sight it in and function test my back up and I'd be gone. "Why sight the piece of shit in, it's only good for sprayin'" "Ok, I'm not gonna argue, can I at least function test my Glock?" "You mean shoot rapid fire?" " I just want to run a couple magazines through my duty weapon to judge it's reliability. I'm sure it's fine but for my peace of mind I like to run a couple magazines through." "Glock, huh? goddamned jam-amatic those things are junk." "Been carrying one professionally for 18 years and I've never had a malfunction with one." "Yeah, well I shoot bullseye and those are junk." "Apples and oranges, Sir." "What? Goddamned Kids." I'm a 41 year old father of four, nineteen year LE veteran and four year 11bravo, but I decided awwwww...screw it. Put three rapid mags through the Glock and left. I'll go back today and sight in my A4. P.S. The G39 ran fine and is now my favorite handgun. |
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Why did you back down? You should have "educated him" then shown his ass up by outshooting him with your "machine gun". The FUDDS always hated it when I'd shoot sub MOA with my RRA A4 while they were only getting 2" groups with their "one shot every 3 minutes" rifle on a $300 bench rest 
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Once I had a Fudd RO tell me I couldn't shoot my m44 with the bayonette extended, and asked me a rhetorical question "would you hunt with it like that?" after. I tried to give him the low down on the m44 but he was too damn ignorant to care. I also had another Fudd RO INSIST I was shooting "armor piercing rounds" out of my AR15  Full metal jacket dude, get with it. He breathed down my neck for about 5 minutes, I guess to make sure my "armor piercing rounds" weren't penetrating the 30' berm.
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I had a similar FUDD experience not too long ago. A friend of a friend decided to let us come out to his land and doing some shooting one day. So I bring a few pistols and my AR. The FUDDs first reaction is about the same as above, "What a machine gun?!". After I go a dump out about half a mag, the guy starts yelling something so I stop shooting. He says something to the effect that I better "Chill" on shooting like that or its going to startle people. After some education on things, I let him go at it with a fresh mag. Needless to say, after about three rounds he had a shit eating grin on his face and proceeded to dump the rest of the mag. Lesson Learned: Patience and Education can go a long way to convert more to our side. 
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I've learned in the last 19 years that it's easier to just formulate a personal opinion and keep it that way. He's a 70 year old ass, what am I gonna do to change that? My Bushy would have done him hands down but that wasn't the proper time to prove the point. I think he was just pissed I showed up to interupt his morning. I've already talked to the president, my neighbor, and he advised he will be addressing the prejudice issue at the next breakfast (under the context of stand together or lose your right apart). I'm not the only one to bitch I guess. Another member was berated for his S&W .500 as being "too damned loud for the range" by the same Fudd. |
I'm so lucky. We get to use our .mil range on the weekends for free. We can do pretty much what we want as long as we don't shoot over the berms. We have a 200m rifle and 25m pistol range all to our selves most of the time. No FUDDS allowed. We also get the added benefit of dumpster diving for stripper clips, speed loaders and ammo cans.  |
You should take every opportunity to educate people. When he said "Why sight the piece of shit in, it's only good for sprayin," your immediate response should have been "did you know that when the lever action rifle was first introduced, they used to say the same thing about it? I'll tell you what, I've got $20 that says I can shoot a tighter 5 shot group at 100 yards with this rifle than you can with yours and I'll even give you a choice whether we shoot standing, kneeling or laying down on the ground." Also, the old fart might have been to set in his ways but his younger companions might have learned something. |
no thats a proper term for hunters that are anti-gun and have no intetrest in protecting the 2nd amendment. THEY are NOT pro-gun in any fashion. |
and just who was this self-appointed range Nazi? We don't have such problems at Tulsa Red Castle Gun Club (yay!) We have other problems like "Any weapon, any target" on the plinking range (ok, so that's not a problem) or "Wow, can I shoot that? I've never even SEEN one of those before. (sure, here's a fresh mag) If the Fudd was an owner of the range, you're screwed. If he was an elected or duly appointed range officer, demand that he show the officially PUBLISHED rules and regulations restricting certain weapons on that particular range. If he was some self-appointed idiot, tell him to blow it out his ass, under no uncertain terms AND in front of his friends, and offer instructions if he can't figure that one out on his own. A few years back, I was on the outdoor pistol range with my brother and we were on a "cold" range while people (all 4 of us) were changing targets. There was a FUDD/self-appointed unofficial range Nazi at the other end of the firing line with his girlfriend he was trying to impress. I changed my target, returned to the bench, sat down with my weapon still laying action-open on the table 8 feet in front of me, and I started stuffing empty magazines while the others were still changin targets. FUDD makes it a point to yell across the range at me that I am not supposed to be touching a weapon while there are others downrange. I held up the magazine to show him that it was not a weapon and I was just loading. He then yelled back that this meant no part of a weapon either. (The rules are painted on the inside wall of the range house.) I told him that he was wrong, politely pointed to the rules clearly painted, and kept on loading. My brother (6'-06" tall, I'm the runt of the family at 6'-01") called back to FUDD, "are you impressing your g/f? Ma'am, are you impressed?" and smiled at them real sweet like. The girl was so embarrassed she walked back to the car. |
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My 20" HBAR has a rather noisy compensator. When I'm at the range, I always try to be as polite as possible. Usually most folks are as well. As long as they are, I always warn them about the severe back blast and noise and wait until they finish a shot before firing. I also often offer to let them fire my little tack driver. The last time, a dude was getting ready for deer season and not having much luck with his very pricey bolt rifle with the yard-long scope. He was right amazed when I easily outshot him with only my ACOG. We settled down and had a good time. Sometimes however, an ill-tempered Fudd will take up the seat next to me and start beating his gums about my EBR. Then I simply blast away. 
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I went to a Game Commission range last Sunday to sight in my M4gery and my new Glock 26. I read the prohibited items and thought I was good to go. I loaded only three rounds in my rifle magazines and six in my handgun magazines. I had just finnished with my pistol and started to sight in the rifle when the local Game Warden showed up. GW: Could you please unload your firearms? (I already had the M4gery open, empty and on safe) Me: Uh, sure I reach under my shirt, grab my G-26, drop the mag, eject the chambered round and lock the slide back. GW: Is the rifle empty? Me: It's open, empty and on safe. GW: I'm officer ****** with the Game Commission. Me: I'm officer ****** with the Department of Corrections. GW: Do you know what time it is? Me: (looking at my watch) About 11:00 AM GW: Well, we don't start shooting around here until 12:00 noon. Me: Oh, sorry about that. I guess I didn't read all the rules. I did read the part about only having three rounds in a rifle magazine and six in a pistol magazine. GW: Well that target holder also has to go, also. You have to shoot at our target holders. I'm not going to cite you this time. (their target holders were nearly cut in half from all of the weapons fire) Me: Thanks for the professional courtesy, Tell me, how do you like the new Glock 31s? GW: I Love it! This thing hits like a 357 Mag. with half the recoil and is every bit as accurate as our old wheelguns. Me: Yeah, I know about that, I have a G-32 that's a tack driver. I switched over to this G-26 because it's a little easier to carry in the summer. How do you guys qualify at 50 yards? I mean if you can't leave the bench area, and have to use your target holders how do you hit the target at 50 yards? GW: Well we leave the bench area and go down range. Me: Can I do that? GW: Sure as long as no one else is shooting this range. Me: OK, thanks. I'll just sit here and wait for twelve if that's OK with you. GW: Sure no problem. Have a good day. I'm going to check out the guys at the 100 yard range. Short Sweet and to the point. He made the people at the 100 yd range leave. They must have copped an attitude with him. Mind you, I was at that range having never bought a hunting license for the past 10 years, firing weapons that would NEVER make it into the hunting fields of PA and he was totally cool with it. Show them some respect and they will show you some. About an hour later, some sporting guys showed up with a .17 HMR. I told them I'd be moving to the next bench over because I didn't want to spray them with hot brass. The guy said no problem. He proceeded to set up a sighting in rig and asked if I wanted to use it. I said no thanks, I'll use my sand bags. They'll be good enough for what I need. He looked at my M4gery and said "Damn, that one evil looking rifle." I said you should see it with the USMC bayonet. The point is they were totally cool with what I was shooting and even used their spotting scope to tell me whaere I was hitting. Never judge a book (or a fudd) by it's cover...... |
| Dude, what I don't get is the "my gun club" part of this.... If you are a paid member of a club and you are within the rules WTF are you doing letting somebody tell you what to shoot? You should have tried a brief explanation, when he got rude you should have put on your muffs and said "excuse me but are ou ready to go hot?" |
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That won't be your last encounter with a FUDD, sadly. I curse like a sailor quite a bit (w/ the fellas), but never in front of someone I don't know or my family. I was pissed  reading about how he spoke to you, using language like that.I That is unsat. Arm yourself with the truth, don't back down, be respectful.....until it's "go" time!! |
ROFL. I bet he was a cook in Korea. I also bet he sells beef jerky at gun shows.  GR |
Still he could have cited me, but didn't. I broke the law. He didn't have to let me off, but did. I think that part where I mentioned about being a corrections officer made him a little more friendly towards me. I suppose he thought I could have been a white supremecist /neo nazi/ skin head due in no small part to my bald head. I shave it for my own reason and racial supemecy ain't one of them. I believe all races are equally stupid in their own way. |
++1 SHOULD NOT HAVE BACKED DOWN! and your comment"? My Bushy would have done him hands down but that wasn't the proper time to prove the point." when would have been a better "time to prove the point"? I'll bet $20 that you left regretting that you didnt stand up to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bet it's still eating you................. 
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| Ummmm...No, I went up this morning and had a wonderful time alone, until an open minded individual came and wanted to test his XD...No prob, have at it. Then he found out what I do and wanted to talk guns...OK cool. better situation and no headache. Having a Fudd be a Fudd doesn't anger me, it makes me sad that they can vote. |
I only give respect if others respect me. Having some know it all fudd asshole trying to tell me what I'm gonna do or not do isn't fucking flying, especially since you are a dues paying member of the range. I do not understand why the hell you would ask permission to shoot your glock. It's your gun and you paid to be there, so do what you want do. You should have melted the fucking handguards off that thing from bumpfiring right in front of his dumb fudd ass. |
They're easily spotted. Just listen for the words, "Nobody needs (insert scary firearm)...". |
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My FUDD encounter: This older guy shows up in an old, beat up motorhome. Immediately motor mouth walks right up to me and says "that thing is illegal". I stood up, turned around, and told him "well sir, it's not". He stares at me and then walks away. A cease fire was called by the RO so he could put a target out. After he gets back, he starts with "$1,000 to the guy who can shoot a group that can be covered by a dime". I asked "how many shots" and he responded "you think you can shoot that (laughs)?". I just responded "how many shots?". He said "well son, three shots...it's not like anyone will get even two that close (laughing again)"; followed by "money talks and bullshit walks (still laughing)". At this point I put the AR-15 away (although it is sub-moa) and brought out the CZ 452 in .17 HM2. This rifle has a heavy bull barrel; a short, light, and crisp trigger pull; and is a freaking tack driver. Off the bench, this gun will print 3shot cloverleaf groups and 5 shot groups that are sub-1/2 MOA. This rifle never ceases to amaze me, I guess I just got lucky and happened upon a freakishly accurate rifle (for the money). After a few tries, I produced a group that was dime sized. After the next cease fire, I took the target down and walked over to his bench. I set the target and a dime on his table and said "I don't take checks". He looked at it, put the dime over it, and said "I don't f*ing believe it". At this point, another shooter comes over and immediately bursts out into laughter (at the FUDD). All of a sudden the FUDD gets real nice; and starts talking about "how I was just joking" and "I didn't think anyone could really shoot like that". He starts to show me his targets and tell me how accurate his rifle is. His groups looked to be about 5.5 MOA. ( ). He never paid up, I didn't push it because he obviously didn't have the $$$. But at least I taught him a lesson. that's my fudd story. I'm at the range 3-4 times a week (making a run at trying to become a professional handgunner), so it's amazing I haven't encountered more FUDDs. |
or "what do you need that for?" |
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I took a girl and a guy out for their fist time shooting. One guy liked my HK USP .45 and shot it almost exclusively. I offered to let him shoot my M4 and Krinkov, but he declined. "Uh...I'm ok with them. They scare me." "They SCARE you?" "Well..What do you NEED them for?" "It's not a question of NEED. I wanted them, so I bought them. I don't need to justify it. It's like having a Ferrari. A Honda will get you to the grocery store just as well, but it won't be nearly as much fun." He clearly didn't see the comparison. He admitted he wanted to see how the Aimpoint reticle looked, and shouldered the M4, but didn't want to pull the trigger. I handed it to the girl, and she blew through three mags and did very well. I just don't get some people. |
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with several others here. Why did you let yourself be intimidated? All this "ahhh err uhh no sir ahh its not like that ahhh..." As soon as he swore at someone he didn't even know, all respect is gone. Here's how it should have gone down (and YES, I have done similar):
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At this point, assuming you're talking to the owner, why try to give him any money? Tell him to go fuck himself and leave. If it wasn't the owner, the proper response to the first sentence would be, "Go fuck yourself" |
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I guess I need to be more confrontational, that must be the best way to get our point across. I know I respond better when something is forced on me especially if I'm with my wife and a friend. I felt, and still do, that a frank discussion at the breakfast meeting was the proper venue. I posted to show that, as is well known, these people are out there...everywhere. The way the range works is sort of a seniority system, by public consideration. He was there first so I deferred to him, sort of like asking to use the bench at the gym. Believe me I can be confrontational, do it every day at work, but the knowledge of when to apply is harder gained than the knowledge of how. Today was great, so good that I'm going back tomorrow with my M1A match, Fudd may even shoot that one. Baby Steps.
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Uh, is it OK to expand that definition to include the shotgun sport-shooters (skeet, trap and sporting clays) who think: A. Nobody needs an "assault rifle." B. Nobody needs to carry a concealed handgun. C. Nobody should EVER a rifle or handgun fire faster than one round per second. Just seeking edification. |
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I'm glad that I belong to a Fudd free club. All of our older members own ARs. They even allow SKS shooting at our fun matches. Last one I shot with the Bayo extended. I was chastised because of the unfair advantage of having a large pointer to better line up the target, I said it compensated for the shitty commie sights. I don't know your club or its rules or hierarchy, but no one at ours tells another member what they can or cannot shoot. We do not allow full auto fire, and .50s are limited to the 200 yard range. Other than that, have at it. |
Unless this guy is in charge, you only make it worse for other shooters if you back down. The lesson you taught him is: Be as mean as possible to shooters you don't know/don't like/don't understand. You definitely should have politely told him that you were within your rights and that you would be shooting as planned. Then proceed. |
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762DM, I realize you're trying to be nice,but do you think you taught him, or he learned anything from your interaction? All that was reinforced was he can swear and be intimidating and he'll get his way. |
| My first encounter was with a black powder shooter and his young son. They were on my left so no chance of a brass shower. I pulled my A2 out of its case and placed it on the bench. Almost immediately the crap started. "Look at that son, a complete waste of bullets, only good for killing people and it is probably illegal". He also said I was probably a mercenary. I assured him that it was perfectly legal and if I was going to be sucking in black powder he would have to deal with my bullet sprayer. He finally shut up and went back to minding his business. I got bored with the A2 and pulled out my Garand, which of course he had no problems with, go figure. |
 
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