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11/18/2006 8:57:31 PM EDT
I was thinking about this question last night. My wife works with a guy who's dad is an AWESOME 1911 builder and "fixer upper"... Now, I know an actual Smith needs an FFL to do business. Can a friend or a friend of a friend, sort of, work on a gun without having an FFL or is the FFL just for shipping out of state?

What's the verdict?

11/18/2006 8:59:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Last I checked giving a gun to a friend to fix was still OK, but perhaps I am ignorant.
11/18/2006 9:00:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Why would a smith need an FFL? No ownership is changing aka no transfer.

Or am I a dumb redneck?
11/18/2006 9:02:10 PM EDT
[#3]
I believe you have to log a weapon into your FFL logbook if you keep it overnight....at least that's what a gunsmith I used told me.
11/18/2006 9:12:47 PM EDT
[#4]
If you have a shop (ie. take money for the repair or working on of firearms) you have to have an FFL as you have to log the firearm ino and out of your books if it is kept for an overnight period

least thats my understanding
11/18/2006 9:22:08 PM EDT
[#5]
He is not doing it as a business...

He is a friend doing you a favor...
11/18/2006 9:34:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Id put a 10 spot on the friend, most if not all gunsmiths I have met are really old and do not put up too much of a fight..
11/18/2006 9:47:10 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Id put a 10 spot on the friend, most if not all gunsmiths I have met are really old and do not put up too much of a fight..




ETA: I'm assuming this is in the same state (you wont be shipping across state lines)? Nothing I know of the prohibits it, at least not with Federal or TX law, unsure about AZ. No different than lending a gun to someone.
11/18/2006 10:12:08 PM EDT
[#8]
I think in your own state it depends on if you pay him over or under the table.
11/18/2006 11:16:04 PM EDT
[#9]
I just got all the paperwork done for my FFL, just waiting for it to show up, for this exact reason.

To work on anyone's firearm (other than your own) you need an FFL.  Even if the work is done the same day.

The gun needs to be logged into a bound book and if the same person doesn't come to pick it up (his wife, brother, son, etc.) then they have to fill out a 4473 and pass a NICs check in order to take the firearm.

This is what I've read on the FBI's site and told to me by the local BATFE field agent.  This is the minimum Federal Law.  Local and state laws cannot bypass this only add more stringent measures to it if they want.

When you fill out the application for your FFL they ask you for what purpose and one of the selections is gunsmithing.  That covers refinshing, mounting a scope, blah blah blah.

Not trying to sound like a dick, just passing on what I've learned.
11/18/2006 11:18:09 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I just got all the paperwork done for my FFL, just waiting for it to show up, for this exact reason.

To work on anyone's firearm (other than your own) you need an FFL.  Even if the work is done the same day.

The gun needs to be logged into a bound book and if the same person doesn't come to pick it up (his wife, brother, son, etc.) then they have to fill out a 4473 and pass a NICs check in order to take the firearm.

This is what I've read on the FBI's site and told to me by the local BATFE field agent.  This is the minimum Federal Law.  Local and state laws cannot bypass this only add more stringent measures to it if they want.

When you fill out the application for your FFL they ask you for what purpose and one of the selections is gunsmithing.  That covers refinshing, mounting a scope, blah blah blah.

Not trying to sound like a dick, just passing on what I've learned.


Yup your egg zactaly right..