Posted: 11/13/2006 7:21:33 PM EDT
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The Paradigm has shifted in DC. The Republicans have shown that they were unable or unwilling to maintain the Reagan/Gingrich revolution. The Dems have seized on this vacuum and moved firmly into the center. The Liberal left of the party will remain a part of the Dems but a small part that plays no real role. They will return to the populist/centrist roots that they lost in the early 70's (They freed themselves from the tyranny of the alphabet at the '72 convention  ) and have moved firmly back into the center. They crave power as if they were Golum with the ring. They understand that in the middle is the power.I am just old enough to remember the troubles of the Sixties. The Dems were the party of Segragation. Richard Nixon was the first member of the NAACP to ever be elected to congress, yes that Richard Nixon. The voting act of '64 made these blacks, that dems like George Wallace and Bull Connors oppressed, suddenly voters. Old George made amends with the blacks and got reelected with the black vote. We need to work with these guys. They have the power now and they like it. They truly crave it over any other thing. If they see a gun ban as costing them that power they will not consider it. Chuck Schumer will still introduce his little bills that will quietly die in committee. Governor Elect Strickland is a centrist with a liberal leaning on many issues but is a staunch second amendment guy. I did vote for his opponent but the election is over and he lost, I have to get over it and work with the winners. We all must work with these guys like Strickland and other dems that are Pro 2nd. |
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You might be able to argue that the party as a whole has gone to the center, but the leadership has gone off the left edge, and that's what counts. So, we will either see a battle within the DNC between the "centrists" and the extremist leftists, or we will see the DNC turned out on its ear again in 2008 after the people see what these bozos do with power. |
Alabama didn't get to vote first for McGovern. I shit you not they drew the names of the states randomly and had the roll call vote "Free from the Tyranny of the Alphabet" That was the point the dems went crazy. It took '94 to wake them up. |
Indeed we will see a battle between the Sane and the Crazies in 2008. If they keep up the Pelosi/Dean side of things they will be thrown out again. I don't see it happening. The democrats desire power. If segragation gave them power they were for it. When it cost them power they were against it. Gun control has been rejected by most people in most states. One need only look at the number of "Shall Issue" states. They will pet Chuck Schumer on his bald little head and let his bills die in commitee. |
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Don't bet on it. You are absolutely right that these people crave power the way an addict craves a fix, but they want that power for a reason, and it isn't holding the GOP at bay. They want it so as to advance a liberal agenda. In 1993, they had it all, and they went NUTS. AWB, taxes, HillaryCare, scandal. It all came crashing down in 1994, and all it took was for the GOP to stand up united as Conservatives. The bottom line is that the majority of people in this country are center-right. They are NOT moonbat left. If the the Dems (which are far more radical now than they were even in 1993) stay true to form, 2008 will be a debacle for them. So let them try to cut and run in Iraq. Let them try to raise taxes. Let them try to socialize medicine. Let them try to impeach Bush. The American people will quickly tire of it. I just hope that there are enough DINO's in the Senate (because Lord knows we can't seem to trust OUR senators) to halt the wave, and that the President actually vetos something sent to him from time to time. |
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Zaphod I was raised by a Democrat Ward Captain, my foster Granfather attended the '68 Democrat convention as an alternate delegate. I am a union steward. My Uncle was appointed to posts by the Democrat mayor of my hometown. Another Uncle was an ellected Dem city council member. I know about the Democrat Machine politics. I am also old enough to remember the Dems when they were the American Labor Party and really not that freindly to the black community. Once they started to vote En Masse the dems crawled right in bed. Call and congradgulate the winners, I have. Let them know where you stand in a letter and ask them to work with us on issues. Democrats will do what it takes to stay in power. If becoming A+ GOA and NRA will get them reelected then by God they will do it. |
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I'm sorry but I don't share your optimism, with Nancy Pelosi and her 'San Francisco values' as speaker of the house it is only a matter of time before the 'lets all be friends honeymoon' is over and they start to neuter everyone. After all they 'owe it to their base'. |
Agreed. Pelosi is backing MURTHA as her successor as head of House Dems, and Harry Reid is set to take over as Senate Majority Leader. Yeah that sounds centrist. On the other hand, a strong leftist push by the Dems could absolutely sabotage their 2008 chances. Most of America seems to be a lot more moderate and truly centrist...extremism, or the perception of it, makes most VERY uncomfortable. |
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I disagree, the democraps have been taken over by the hardcore fascists and they are already showing their stripes. The Republicans are the ones really slightly left of center now. The only reason the dems won is because it always happens in 6th year midterms. They didn't even beat the average. |
| I'm hoping that they get too eager in their rise to power and unsuccessfully try to push all their insanity on us right off the bat. They'll get smacked down, the American people will realize that you can't trust these idiots any further than you can throw Mt. Everest, and they'll stay stimied until we can get rid of them for good. |
| "The whole issue of health care is coming back. That may be a bad dream for some, but for others a very welcomed possibility..." - Hillary Clinton, 11/13/06 |
There is no way in hell that the Democrat party "as a whole" has gone to the center. The Democrat party has done what it needs to win elections. Time will tell how the newly minted Congress critters will pan out. HOWEVER, with the leadership strongly entrenched in the depths of Socialism, I'm not likely going to see much "middle ground" approached by them. Remember, to a Democrat "Reasonable" means doing it their way! 
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link I remember it from Gordon liddy mentioning it. I will research it further at home. |
+1 They "swung to the middle" to get power. Now that they have it, they're going to swing back Left. They're already doing it. This is not in question. Now Joe and Suzy Public get to realize they just made themselves a big turd sandwich and unfortunately, we all have to take a bite. 
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| Murtha is pro-gun, at least. We should hope he can become majority leader, rather than the execrable Steny Hoyer. If he's a crook, it's something he has in common with several members of his caucus, and besides, it's between him and the voters in his district. |
Yup...that's what they want us to think... Just wait and see what the communist party USA has in store for us  |
Sorry, man, but you know damned well that any letter I write to a Democrat, no matter how politely worded, will be circular-filed. You say they would become NRA members to stay in power. I say they'd destroy the country to stay in power, and we've seen them doing all they can in that regard. |
The leadership certainly did and will. However, you can't deny that some of the folks they ran and won with were decidedly not your average liberal moonbat. I mean, JAMES WEBB?  Still, one election does not a trend make, and the fact remains that it's the leadership that makes all the noise, so we will either see the DNC rip itself apart over the next two years or plunge off the cliff of extremism together. |
As did Sauron. As did Boromir. As did the Witch King and the other eight Kings of Men. As did the seven Dwarf Lords. As did the Elven Lords & Lady. As did Denethor. As did Gandalf. As do we all. As do the Democrats. They seek it out. They YEARN for it. All their consciousness is bent on it. But they must not get it. They would take it out of a desire to do good. But through them a far greater evil would come into the world. |
It would be fun to watch if so many important decisions didn't hang in the balance of their monkeyshines. 
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No, but he is a fucking crook. Check out him in abscam. Check out the cushie deals he and his brother have cooked up. |
I see nothing in the article you linked to that supports your assertion. I am genuintely interested in anything that would back your claim. |
Well put. The biggest battle yet will between the DLC and the overzealous leadership that is the public face of the democrats. Take the battle between Murtha and Hoyer for majority leader. Hoyer clearly understands that declaring defeat and exiting iraq would be a disaster, and is against such a course. Their NRA ratings: Murtha A+ Hoyer F Sometimes, you just can't win. |
Also well put. I completely disagree with him on iraq but generalizations and simplistic attacks are what got us into this mess in the first place. |
Well then.... This post was certainly grounded and balanced. I think that's what American politics needs. More overt references to escapist fantasy untempered by pretenses of nuance and subtlety! "All their consciousness is bent on it". Hahahahaha... do they have an eye in a tower, too? |
Sorry, the Democratic Party today is not the Democratic Party of yesterday. The Democratic Party of today hates a free America, they hate America period. They are practically Bolsheviks. In my eyes, they are traitors to the Constitution, and to the ideals of the founding fathers. They are the enemy pure and simple, as much an enemy as the Russians were during the cold war. I hate them, as I hate any enemy.... That is all, carry on..... |
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So far the dems have made all the wrong moves. Mainly appointing extreme liberals to all the leadership positions. Murtha will seal the deal. All the top dog dems keep saying the past election was some kind of mandate to pull the troops from Iraq asap (immediately has turned into asap). As if that were not the current objective. They are still trying to frame the debate as some type of redeployment and not running away with your tail between your legs. Viewing the election as some type of mandate equates to the dems as being either arrogant or completely out of touch with the vast majority of Americans. |
I agree. But, rememer this gem: " Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. It is my style. George Bush, Nov 04, 2004. Being arrogant and out of touch is the new hallmark of partisan leadership, from both sides. We need a breath of fresh air and a true leader. |
I'm not sure if it's a good comparison. Bush went from winning a scraper election (I helped!  ) to defeating his next opponent handily in the popular vote. Where Bush went wrong was he didn't go back to the people and tell THEM why he wanted to do (or he didn't communicate it well).Still, your point is sound. One has to remember that the electorate is pretty fickle. |
Jimmy, in this case, I think you typed this too quickly. But that's okay. Say what you will but ignore the lessons at your own peril. The relevance is very high. Even the original poster saw the analogy. Do you not? Yes, they DO have an "eye in a tower" (domestic surveillance prorams, "Carnivore", FBI, CIA, DHS, ...other national technical assets) P.S. - the problem with "nuance and subtlety" is that all too often, people miss the point. Sometimes simplicity and clarity are better. |