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9/29/2006 11:34:34 AM EDT
I bought a 16'' ASP baton yesterday.  Opening it is easy enough, but I'm having a really hard time getting it to retract.  I've taken the shafts out of the handle and put some oil on them. When the baton is opened briskly, the innermost shaft locks in and is a bear to get to retract.  Hitting it several times on a hard surface sometimes doesn't do it.  Is there any trick to making it easier to handle?

Thanks.
9/29/2006 11:37:11 AM EDT
[#1]
Try hitting something softer first - like a hippie.
9/29/2006 11:39:27 AM EDT
[#2]
I was issued a Monadnock expandable baton and I had to bang the hell out of it on the street or sidewalk to get it to retract, and I mean HARD
9/29/2006 11:39:52 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Try hitting something softer first - like a hippie liberal.
9/29/2006 11:40:49 AM EDT
[#4]
On a related note, do any of you have a resource where I can look up state laws surrounding these batons?  I'd like to know what is and isn't legal here in Colorado.
9/29/2006 11:41:23 AM EDT
[#5]
Yup, you have to give someone the beat down before trying to colapse.
9/29/2006 11:43:43 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
On a related note, do any of you have a resource where I can look up state laws surrounding these batons?  I'd like to know what is and isn't legal here in Colorado.


Hmmm, not sure. I do know that Denver is a target rich environment. There's a drum circle around there somewhere.
9/29/2006 11:43:45 AM EDT
[#7]
I like the ASP batons but you guys need to check your local laws, in many places it is illegal to have on in your vehicle. A lawyer had a funny story about an ASP. His client was arrested for having a ASP on the seat of his truck. At the trial the lawyer sized up his opponent a new ADA. He then asked the question, how does the arresting officer know that the ASP was indeed a venimous serpent and how does the law on 'dangerious weapons' apply to this reptile? The ADA did not know a ASP from the reptile so the guy got off.
9/29/2006 11:45:29 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I was issued a Monadnock expandable baton and I had to bang the hell out of it on the street or sidewalk to get it to retract, and I mean HARD



Yep, that's what I needed to do.

I 1st tried inside and all I did was dent the floor
9/29/2006 11:46:13 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I like the ASP batons but you guys need to check your local laws, in many places it is illegal to have on in your vehicle. A lawyer had a funny story about an ASP. His client was arrested for having a ASP on the seat of his truck. At the trial the lawyer sized up his opponent a new ADA. He then asked the question, how does the arresting officer know that the ASP was indeed a venimous serpent and how does the law on 'dangerious weapons' apply to this reptile? The ADA did not know a ASP from the reptile so the guy got off.


SWEET STORY!

Anyway, the ASP I was issued at my old agency collapased only on very hard surfaces, and after a couple hits. I cracked the concrete in my driveway once.
9/29/2006 11:47:04 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
On a related note, do any of you have a resource where I can look up state laws surrounding these batons?  I'd like to know what is and isn't legal here in Colorado.


Hmmm, not sure. I do know that Denver is a target rich environment. There's a drum circle around there somewhere.


Denver?  Pshh...I'm typing this from a classroom in Boulder.  I can see a dozen skulls in this room alone that need cracking!
9/29/2006 11:51:00 AM EDT
[#11]
Tap the tip on a hard surface while rolling the  ASP in your hand.

Then slam it again.
9/29/2006 12:14:07 PM EDT
[#12]
Read the owners manual.
Do not oil the shaft.
If you unscrew the buttcap and adjust the innards in there it'll open and close easier or harder depending on how you make the adjustment.
9/30/2006 10:46:20 AM EDT
[#13]
I read the owners manual and it suggested oiling the inner shaft.  I've also adjusted the spring in there, though that only effects opening and locking back into place.  And not retracting the innermost shaft.

Joker-Rolling it while tapping it does indeed make it easier.

Thanks for all of the replies!
9/30/2006 11:08:31 AM EDT
[#14]
It's made to do that,

Perfectly normal you have to smack the hell out of it to get to retrace on a hard surface



Perhaps you are not man enough [joke]
9/30/2006 11:43:11 AM EDT
[#15]
If you use it and still have a little work to do stick it in your belt or down in the hole in the bottom of it's holster, you may need it again shortly. When all the fun is over hold it with a light grip and tap the tip on pavement like you were playing a drum and roll it so that you tap a different side of the tip each time. It will eventually come loose and retract. That is unless you hit something hard enough to bend it.
9/30/2006 1:27:25 PM EDT
[#16]
Tap the tip with a light swing like you are hammering a nail, roll it in your grip and do it on the other side of the tip.    

Then change your grip and drive it into the concrete like you are using a dagger.   Gotta use some force.

The hammer swing helps break the bond between the shafts.


I use an auto lock now.  Push a button and slide the shafts into each other.

9/30/2006 1:35:50 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I bought a 16'' ASP baton yesterday.  Opening it is easy enough, but I'm having a really hard time getting it to retract.  I've taken the shafts out of the handle and put some oil on them. When the baton is opened briskly, the innermost shaft locks in and is a bear to get to retract.  Hitting it several times on a hard surface sometimes doesn't do it.  Is there any trick to making it easier to handle?

Thanks.

HIt it on the tip's side a few times with medium light force then rotate and do other side. That should lossen it up a bit for you to close with a flat strike to the ground.
9/30/2006 1:39:05 PM EDT
[#18]
How do you like the 16"?  You don't feel it's too short?
9/30/2006 1:40:54 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Try hitting something softer first - like a hippie.

9/30/2006 1:53:42 PM EDT
[#20]
Illegal in Texas.
9/30/2006 1:56:55 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
HIt it on the tip's side a few times with medium light force then rotate and do other side. That should lossen it up a bit for you to close with a flat strike to the ground.


+1
9/30/2006 4:11:55 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
On a related note, do any of you have a resource where I can look up state laws surrounding these batons?  I'd like to know what is and isn't legal here in Colorado.

Handgunlaws - tread carefully, in a lot of states, owning one of those things is just fine, but carrying it on your person is treated the same as if you were carrying a gun.  I think they're illegal for carry here in Georgia, whether I have a CCW permit or not.
9/30/2006 4:22:29 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Yup, you have to give someone the beat down before trying to colapse.


Kind of like having to draw blood with a kukri once it's been unsheathed

Of course, I don't do that with mine, I'm no Gurkha...
9/30/2006 4:29:01 PM EDT
[#24]
I was issued the 16" airweight ASP but that thing isn't worth the space it would take up on my belt. I bought my own 21" steel model.
9/30/2006 4:39:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Don't have to worry about that problem with my 5 D-cell Kel-lite.  This is an old school attitude adjuster!!!
9/30/2006 5:39:45 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
On a related note, do any of you have a resource where I can look up state laws surrounding these batons?  I'd like to know what is and isn't legal here in Colorado.

Handgunlaws - tread carefully, in a lot of states, owning one of those things is just fine, but carrying it on your person is treated the same as if you were carrying a gun.  I think they're illegal for carry here in Georgia, whether I have a CCW permit or not.
Considered a CCW here in KY too.
9/30/2006 6:26:51 PM EDT
[#27]
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9/30/2006 7:52:05 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I was issued a Monadnock expandable baton and I had to bang the hell out of it on the street or sidewalk to get it to retract, and I mean HARD


I thought the Monadnock had a button at the base of the handle that you pushed to retract?
9/30/2006 8:33:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Monadnock makes three types of expandable batons. Friction lock, the Autolock, and a pin lock.

The friction lock batons by ASP, Monadnock, Casco, and hte generics are VERY easy to close using the proper technique.
Do NOT hold them tightly when hitting them on the ground.  Hold them loosely, with just your finger tips.  Bring it down quickly onto the ground and they will almost always close with not problem whatsoever.  The Airweight ASPs (the aluminum ones) will sometimes lock extremely hard if opened too hard, and will require multiple strikes to close.  The vibration from holding it loosely shocks the shafts loose.  If you hold it tightly, then your arm absorbs the vibration.  You can also just keep slapping the sole of your shoe a few times and that'll vibrate them loose.
9/30/2006 8:49:46 PM EDT
[#30]
An ASP fits great, just tucked into the hollow between hip and abs. It never slips and doesn't print.

Er, at least thats what I am told.
9/30/2006 9:04:47 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Monadnock makes three types of expandable batons. Friction lock, the Autolock, and a pin lock.

The friction lock batons by ASP, Monadnock, Casco, and hte generics are VERY easy to close using the proper technique.
Do NOT hold them tightly when hitting them on the ground.  Hold them loosely, with just your finger tips.  Bring it down quickly onto the ground and they will almost always close with not problem whatsoever.  The Airweight ASPs (the aluminum ones) will sometimes lock extremely hard if opened too hard, and will require multiple strikes to close.  The vibration from holding it loosely shocks the shafts loose.  If you hold it tightly, then your arm absorbs the vibration.  You can also just keep slapping the sole of your shoe a few times and that'll vibrate them loose.


when they say striking the ground they dont mean striking as in a stabbing motion(as this can bend the batton) they are talking about striking as if you were triking a person and holding it loose.....

when you strike a person hold it firmly
9/30/2006 11:17:49 PM EDT
[#32]
I have noticed that, with an ASP, you need to FOLLOW THROUGH when striking the ground.

IE - Your target, when retracting, is not the ground, but 12" below it.  
10/1/2006 7:25:35 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Illegal in Texas.


Yep. Never figured that one out. I can carried a loaded pistol no problem, but an baton is a big no-no. Go figure??