Posted: 9/7/2006 9:47:41 AM EDT
| What do you guys think of the UZI? Are they outdated, worth having anymore? I have a chance to pick one up NIB IMI seriesB,six mags....I just dont know much about the gun. |
I love mine. I have a 9mm AR and an Uzi. The AR in almost every way is supperior. The AR has a better trigger, more comfortable, lighter, more accurate, easier to add acessories. blah blah blah. But I freaking love the Uzi. There is just something about it. It's fun as heck. Looks mean, and gets lots of looks. Relaible, fun. Get one.
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$600 from Vector. www.vectorarms.com/indexframe.html |
If you can pick it up for < $1100 buy it. I have an IMI UZI Model B and w/ the current prices on .223, have found myself shooting it alot more as of late. |
Price? I have an IMI 16" barrel and a Vector SBR. Both great guns. IMI's are very well built. If it is priced right, buy it. |
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Its the best second generation subgun out there. Very controllable and very accurate. The ergonomics suck as well as the fit and finish but it does its job. If you want a glamore subgun you obviously have to with the German ones. But my FA Uzi is the shit. Easy double and triple taps. Very little recoil and very reliable. Vector is running low on SA uzis and Atlantic I believe is now out of them. |
An original NIB IMI UZI would be easily over $1000 with six mags. Closer to $1500 if you can find someone to buy it. You can find ones in great shape for around $1000 more or less. A Vector is going to cost you significantly less. $600ish. |
A great SMG. Keep in mind that semis, even the IMI preban imports, are not quite the same rugged animal. Instead of a firing pin as part of the bolt, they use a separate firing pin to allow a closed bolt design. This is actually an improvement in one respect, the heavy open bolts of Uzis and Macs generally cause first shots to be low (this is why the MP5 is preferred for first shot placement). But at the same time this separate bolt and firing pin setup isn't nearly as indestructive as the open bolt setup on a real Uzi SMG nor is it as reliable. That said I don't think you will hear lots of reports about semi closed bolt Uzis failing or being unreliable. My primary complaint is the sights, I think they are kinda crappy. I prefer a more open sight appeture, especially for a subgun. Of course a dew people have addressed this by coming up with various fast optics solutions. If you SBR your Uzi you then have a suppression option and using 147 gr. the 9mm Uzi is a wonderful candidate for a suppressed semi carbine. Preban originals are "slightly" nicer in terms of finish than the clones (Vector being the main one) but not nice enough to justify more than double the price. Generally only collectors will seek out preban originals. Additionally clones are in the preferred Model A configuration. I have run a FA Vector Uzi against a genuine IMI Uzi and I couldn't see any appreciable difference after a few thousand rounds. Finally, while many prefer the folding stock configuration of the most well known Uzi, most shooters will actually prefer the wood stock configuration. |
Curious if they're still as cool in SA with a 16" barrel and a wood stock?  I guess both those features provide advantages, but essentially make the Uzi look like quite a different gun. In my eyes it kinda looks like an abortion, and for me, thats the only config possible. Wondering if I should bother, or just go with a Beretta Storm instead? |
| Everyone talks about the controlability on an UZI but I just don't get it. I fired a full auto UZI and a MP5 back to back and there was no comparison. Don't get me wrong, it was fun shooting a full auto UZI. It just was not nearly as smooth or controllable as the MP5. |
I shot both full auto side by side as well and liked the Uzi much better. I thought it was much easier to control than the MP5. Interesting. |
Thats what I have found as well. Its a heavy gun for the caliber and the recoil is very mild. |
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These were standard 115 gr FMJ rounds through a suppressed Uzi, that's why you hear the bullet crack. Uzi Fun Before Most Of You Were Born (video) |
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I personally wouldn't buy a semi version unless it was just a smokin' good deal but that's just me. I just don't see the appeal of it in semi. I own a Vector FA and it is a nice little subgun, dirt simple so there's very little to go wrong with it and cleaning it is by FAR the easiest of any gun that I own. Fun to shoot and cheap to feed, lots of accessories as well. If I was buying a pistol caliber semi I'd probably pick up a Beretta Storm. |
Actually the wood stock is the original Uzi. And you can always SBR it. |
The MP5 has the smoother action. The Uzi is controllable by it's weight. Basically the MP5 has a much lighter bolt flying at 700+ RPMs while the Uzi has a pretty heavy bolt flying at about 600+ RPMs. The MP5 is far more controllable. The Uzi is more rugged. |
I was at a MP5 training course when somebody brought out an UZI to shoot. It's not so much a problem with recoil as it is keeping a good sight picture. Everyone there could keep tighter groups with the MP5. |
I'm thinking of buying the finished SBR. Not a 16" and converting it. |
In that case, yes, you have to buy from a class III dealer. |
If it is already a registered SBR then yes it would have to be transferred on a Form 4. And if it came from out of state (likely) it would have to go through a SOT (Class 3 dealer). As there is absolutely NO gunsmithing involved in changing a barrel I'd strongly recommend doing the Form 1. |
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Just an FYI in case you do the SBR: An original Uzi SMG 10.2" barrel won't fit into the IMI semi-auto model A receiver. I would not recommend purchasing an aftermarket barrel because most of them are junk. Vector has some original surplus FN Uzi 10.2 inch barrels in excellent condition. If you ask them, Vector will modify a FN SMG barrel to semi-auto specs and repark it. The required modifications are turning down the chamber end of the barrel so it will fit into the ring above the feed ramp, and turning down the raised area of the barrel at the barrel flang so it will fit into the smaller trunion of the semi-auto receiver. |
That's correct, and some standard pistol rounds won't even cycle the bolt on a Uzi SMG. The semi auto model has a lighter bolt and doesn't seem to be as sensitive. Also, by design the SMG fires while the bolt is still moving forward (this takes a hotter round to cycle the bolt), while the semi fires when the bolt is at it's forward most position. IMI actually made SMG ammo for the Uzi that is much hotter than a standard pistol round. It can be identified by a black bullet tip. It can still be found for sale by some ammo distributors. |
I have some of this black tip ammo and let me tell you it's HOT. I fired a few rounds thru my P7 and won't do it again. |