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8/8/2006 4:06:57 PM EDT

So I went out and bought an ATI X1300 pro to replace the ATI 8500LE on an old computer of mine.

Installation and everything went ok, booted up, played some HL2 dm to try her out.  I really couldn't tell the difference between the old and the new, so I turn up some settings and go to the command console to show some fps.  To my suprise the new card frequently dipped into the red,  20-30 range.  Added to that webpages and everything seemed to load slower.  Also when I would play videos there was a delay when starting where there was no delay before.  

So I throw the old 8500, replace the drivers, and try some HL2 deathmatch again, same settings throughout, same level and all.  To my suprise I found that the 8500 was actually outperforming the new x1300 pro.  rarely dipped in the red on the fps.

So I'm wondering, WTF???, I am back to the 8500, it runs faster in every aspect.  All drivers and software for both cards were current and nothing else in the system changed, could the new x1300 actually slow my computer down???  Would a 9800 pro chipset be better?  The pc is old but still limping along. Mainly as a media server but I want the ability to have several ppl play HL2 at my house.    

So, anyway, it's back to circuitcity tonight with the X1300, and I know, newegg has them cheaper but I knew a situation like this might occur, and CC is only 6 miles away...

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated
8/8/2006 4:09:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I have a 9800xt 256 mb memory.  The 9800 is a good card for an older machine.  x1300 is a lower end card if I'm correct, so it's possible.
8/8/2006 4:27:09 PM EDT
[#2]
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.
8/8/2006 4:27:57 PM EDT
[#3]
Check your drivers...
8/8/2006 4:30:27 PM EDT
[#4]
ATI = Awesome hardware, but their drivers SUCK.
nVidia = Awesome drivers, but their hardware isn't as good.



I've had 3 differen't ATI cards in this computer alone and the drivers just won't agree with my computer. I have a 9800Pro 256mb right now and I'm about to trade it up for an nVidia card.
8/8/2006 4:36:45 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.



It is in fact AGP, the pc is 4 yrs old, P4 2.4ghz, 1mb DDR, currently running the ATI 8500LE.  

As I open web pages I can tell a substantial difference, the 8500 you click and it's there, with the x1300 pro it would take longer, like the AR15 home page, as if loading the pics was slowing it down.  I know it sounds ridiculous but I can assure you it was running slower.  Maybe the x1300 adapted to AGP is just junk....

ETA: The 8500LE has 128mb, the x1300 pro has 256mb, both are actual ATI manufactured cards.

I checked ATI's website for up to date drivers for the 1300.
8/8/2006 5:57:11 PM EDT
[#6]
make sure you bios is set to 8x agp.  


and your memory apature is set to atleast 128mb now
8/8/2006 6:06:16 PM EDT
[#7]

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make sure you bios is set to 8x agp.  


and your memory apature is set to atleast 128mb now


checked, reset aperature in the bios twice just to make sure,  I've already got the x1300 back in the box, I think I'm just gonna stick with the 8500 and maybe reduce quality if I'm having problems

Thanks for the info
8/8/2006 6:08:12 PM EDT
[#8]
that sucks.  how much was the card ?
8/8/2006 6:12:26 PM EDT
[#9]
$130, I wasn't expecting a whole lot of improvement, but not a decrease.
8/8/2006 6:14:24 PM EDT
[#10]
well see if you can exchange it for sayyyy a x850 pro.  thats what i bought a couple months back.   bf2 runs great.   its agp too
8/8/2006 6:17:14 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
well see if you can exchange it for sayyyy a x850 pro.  thats what i bought a couple months back.   bf2 runs great.   its agp too


I think I'll just have to get my money back at circuit city, the x1300 was actually the nicest ATI card they had on the shelf, sad isn't it.  

I'll watch newegg for a deal, thanks again for the help
8/8/2006 10:18:18 PM EDT
[#12]
For an older comp with AGP, here is the card you want for the price ($119):

shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=39

Radeon® X800 XL AGP 256MB D/V/VIVO Whitebox - REFURB* + Standard Warranty

FAST AGP card (bout fastest you can get on AGP, will blow that 8500se into the dirt).

Yes its a refurb, but its a straight from factory refurb WITH warranty. It is also faster than the x850pro since it has 12 pipelines, versus the X850 pro's 8.
8/8/2006 10:28:28 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.



It is in fact AGP, the pc is 4 yrs old, P4 2.4ghz, 1mb DDR, currently running the ATI 8500LE.  

As I open web pages I can tell a substantial difference, the 8500 you click and it's there, with the x1300 pro it would take longer, like the AR15 home page, as if loading the pics was slowing it down.  I know it sounds ridiculous but I can assure you it was running slower.  Maybe the x1300 adapted to AGP is just junk....

ETA: The 8500LE has 128mb, the x1300 pro has 256mb, both are actual ATI manufactured cards.

I checked ATI's website for up to date drivers for the 1300.


it could be your CPU isnt allowing the card to run at its max.

i got a x700 pro and it ran bf2 at all min settings at around 50 fps on my AMD xp2400, got a new mobo and cpu AMD 64 3500 and now i can run bf2 at high settings at around 50-70 fps.
8/8/2006 10:29:22 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
well see if you can exchange it for sayyyy a x850 pro.  thats what i bought a couple months back.   bf2 runs great.   its agp too


I think I'll just have to get my money back at circuit city, the x1300 was actually the nicest ATI card they had on the shelf, sad isn't it.  

I'll watch newegg for a deal, thanks again for the help


never ever buy anything from circuit city.....they are ungodly overpriced to anything a little shopping around will get you....even their website usually offers prices cheaper then in the store (if buying online).

Like this laser mouse I just bought. CC wanted $70 + tax for it.......I bought it from amazon.com marketplace for $34 + shipping (under $5).
8/8/2006 10:40:13 PM EDT
[#15]
Windows does not like Video card changes.  Having said that, try uninstalling the old video card and immediately after the uninstall, shut down the compter and install the new video card.  Then get the latest and greatest drivers for it and install those.  Reboot after the install.  If this does not work, then the next thing is to back up your data, wipe the hard drive and reinstall windows.  A newer card should never perform worse than an older card.
8/9/2006 12:06:35 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.



It is in fact AGP, the pc is 4 yrs old, P4 2.4ghz, 1mb DDR, currently running the ATI 8500LE.  

As I open web pages I can tell a substantial difference, the 8500 you click and it's there, with the x1300 pro it would take longer, like the AR15 home page, as if loading the pics was slowing it down.  I know it sounds ridiculous but I can assure you it was running slower.  Maybe the x1300 adapted to AGP is just junk....

ETA: The 8500LE has 128mb, the x1300 pro has 256mb, both are actual ATI manufactured cards.

I checked ATI's website for up to date drivers for the 1300.


That's your problem. Upgrade that motherboard and CPU!
8/9/2006 12:11:35 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.



It is in fact AGP, the pc is 4 yrs old, P4 2.4ghz, 1mb DDR, currently running the ATI 8500LE.  

As I open web pages I can tell a substantial difference, the 8500 you click and it's there, with the x1300 pro it would take longer, like the AR15 home page, as if loading the pics was slowing it down.  I know it sounds ridiculous but I can assure you it was running slower.  Maybe the x1300 adapted to AGP is just junk....

ETA: The 8500LE has 128mb, the x1300 pro has 256mb, both are actual ATI manufactured cards.

I checked ATI's website for up to date drivers for the 1300.


yeah seriously, you need more hardware.
8/9/2006 12:23:27 AM EDT
[#18]
What operating system are you using? XP? if so ther is a driver you have to change in order to get that card to work properly.
My friend bought the same card and it was actualy giving him  neg framrates.

Ill get more info for you if you do have XP installed.
8/9/2006 2:27:43 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
What operating system are you using? XP? if so ther is a driver you have to change in order to get that card to work properly.
My friend bought the same card and it was actualy giving him  neg framrates.

Ill get more info for you if you do have XP installed.


I do have xp SP2
8/9/2006 2:28:39 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
now, I'm gonna assume this is PCI-E and not AGP?  Could very well be because the Pro line is bellow the LE line, with XT being the top.  My buddy just got an X1300XT and he runs Oblivian maxed on the settings and has no troubles, could be that your mobo just isn't keeping up.



It is in fact AGP, the pc is 4 yrs old, P4 2.4ghz, 1mb DDR, currently running the ATI 8500LE.  

As I open web pages I can tell a substantial difference, the 8500 you click and it's there, with the x1300 pro it would take longer, like the AR15 home page, as if loading the pics was slowing it down.  I know it sounds ridiculous but I can assure you it was running slower.  Maybe the x1300 adapted to AGP is just junk....

ETA: The 8500LE has 128mb, the x1300 pro has 256mb, both are actual ATI manufactured cards.

I checked ATI's website for up to date drivers for the 1300.


yeah seriously, you need more hardware.


I know, It's not my main machine, read Post #1
8/9/2006 3:53:47 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
What operating system are you using? XP? if so ther is a driver you have to change in order to get that card to work properly.
My friend bought the same card and it was actualy giving him  neg framrates.

Ill get more info for you if you do have XP installed.


I am running XP, have googled and found others talk of simialr problems but have found no real solution, waht did your friend do?

Thanks - IZZMAN