[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Now this is progress - Israel (Page 1 of 4)
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Are those really all military/hezbollah targets? Only reason I get a bit concerned for Lebanon is because it is a somewhat moderate power in the region, and one of the only middle east nations that has a sizeable Christian population. Beyond that, I hope Israel bombs hezbollah into oblivion. |
I'd hope. It sorta distresses me that we seem to have started with the "moderates" of the Middle Eastern states. Starting with Iran, or better yet Saudi, would have probably gotten the moderates to get off their assess and police their own country. |
Big huge +1!!!!!!!! |
Hopefully its not gonna end well for Hezbollah, Lebenon, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan and Somolia. And any other remaining terrorist sympathizing group. They can all suffer and rot for all I care.  |
ilikelegs, thank you for brightening up my day 
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Beirut doesn't look like that yet. The city is Dahieh Lebanon which is clearly marked on the photo. But thats what they get for harboring terrorists. |
It's damn sad, 10% of the population ruins it for everyone else. All right... who's next? |
What, and reveal how many strategic cow pastures, fence posts and scrub brushes the Hezzies have managed to take out? 
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What do you have against the countries in red? They have been supportive of the actions against Hizbullah by Israel for the most part; and have a history of being against Al-Qaida and promoting Western ideology in their countries. Remember, Egypt has no love for Al-Qaida or the Muslim Brotherhood from which the former was spawned; they lost two of their presidents to those groups and have absolutely nothing but disdain for them. Jordan has been a major player in support of the US in the region. NOTE: I am referring to the governments of those countries, almost every civilian in the Arab world hates us and Israel with a passion. |
Judges in Egypt: Scrap peace deal with Israel and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was from Jordan. Many more just like him there. 
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I almost spit on my monitor when I saw that... that is harsh man, harsh! |
Hey, FAL is right. Do you really belive that the US or the UN has the guts to finish the job? If you do, you're one of the few. This will end in pretty much the same place it started. A bunch of rags hollerin "Death to America!", $3.00/gallon gas, and a spending free for all at the Federal level. Pathetic. 
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I said the governments. Lone judges are not the government, and Al-Zarqawi was just as large of a thorn in the side of Jordan as he was the US; remember, Al-Zarqawi was imprisoned in a government prison for inciting violence against the Jordanese government. That is why dictatorships ARE good in Arab countries, dictators are corrupt = we can buy them off to support us. Democracy allows situations like the Palis to elect Hamas and allow the Iraqis to elect crazy anti-semitic, anti-American political leaders like they are doing now. |
They have never stopped saying "Death to America". And where in the hell did you read anything about the UN or the US having the guts to finish the job? But it looks like Israel does have the guts too. Which is what the thread is about.  So I guess by your logic Israel should just take having missiles launched into their country at will and their soldiers kidnapped and their civilians killed and do nothing? |
Fuck 'em. I have some Lebanese ex-pat friends, both Muslim and Christian, and both groups(Muslims take some prodding) admit that these operations are necessary. Any civilians that die are collateral damage, and if you think this is bad, take a look at what we did to Dresden and Tokyo, that would make you really get your panties in a bunch. |
Ok, I will take away Jordan and add Lybia. 
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Its the only thing they understand. Too bad you don't get it.
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+ a whole damn lot. I hope Israel is able to decimate Hezbollah, though I don't see any real future for the area. The hatred there is too deep. |
+1, if you are referring to Arabs(Jews, and other semites included). The race and resulting cultures of the Middle Eastern civilizations have always had a heavily tribal and warlike property to them; best way to show them you are not to be fucked with is to bash them over the head with a sledge hammer.
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actually, I sort of look forward to the Lebanese being sent back to the stone age. Maybe that makes me evil, but I really think the "redecorating" in the region provides a nice "homely" look 
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Even the muslims know they have to do this to themselves. Read this... www.mafhoum.com/press2/63P58.htm Hama Rules In February 1982 the secular Syrian government of President Hafez al-Assad faced a mortal threat from Islamic extremists, who sought to topple the Assad regime. How did it respond? President Assad identified the rebellion as emanating from Syria's fourth-largest city — Hama — and he literally leveled it, pounding the fundamentalist neighborhoods with artillery for days. Once the guns fell silent, he plowed up the rubble and bulldozed it flat, into vast parking lots. Amnesty International estimated that 10,000 to 25,000 Syrians, mostly civilians, were killed in the merciless crackdown. Syria has not had a Muslim extremist problem since. I visited Hama a few months after it was leveled. The regime actually wanted Syrians to go see it, to contemplate Hama's silence and to reflect on its meaning. I wrote afterward, "The whole town looked as though a tornado had swept back and forth over it for a week — but this was not the work of mother nature." This was "Hama Rules" — the real rules of Middle East politics — and Hama Rules are no rules at all. I tell this story not to suggest this should be America's approach. We can't go around leveling cities. We need to be much more focused, selective and smart in uprooting the terrorists. No, I tell this story because it's important that we understand that Syria, Egypt, Algeria and Tunisia have all faced Islamist threats and crushed them without mercy or Miranda rights. Part of the problem America now faces is actually the fallout from these crackdowns. Three things happened: First, once the fundamentalists were crushed by the Arab states they fled to the last wild, uncontrolled places in the region — Lebanon's Bekaa Valley and Afghanistan — or to the freedom of America and Europe. Second, some Arab regimes, most of which are corrupt dictatorships afraid of their own people, made a devil's pact with the fundamentalists. They allowed the Islamists' domestic supporters to continue raising money, ostensibly for Muslim welfare groups, and to funnel it to the Osama bin Ladens — on the condition that the Islamic extremists not attack these regimes. The Saudis in particular struck that bargain. Third, these Arab regimes, feeling defensive about their Islamic crackdowns, allowed their own press and intellectuals total freedom to attack America and Israel, as a way of deflecting criticism from themselves. As a result, a generation of Muslims and Arabs have been raised on such distorted views of America that despite the fact that America gives Egypt $2 billion a year, despite the fact that America fought for the freedom of Muslims in Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo, and despite the fact that Bill Clinton met with Yasir Arafat more than with any other foreign leader, America has been vilified as the biggest enemy of Islam. And that is one reason that many people in the Arab-Muslim world today have either applauded the attack on America or will tell you — with a straight face — that it was all a C.I.A.-Mossad plot to embarrass the Muslim world. We need the moderate Arab states as our partners — but we don't need only their intelligence. We need them to be intelligent. I don't expect them to order their press to say nice things about America or Israel. They are entitled to their views on both, and both at times deserve criticism. But what they have never encouraged at all is for anyone to consistently present an alternative, positive view of America — even though they were sending their kids here to be educated. Anyone who did would be immediately branded a C.I.A. agent. And while the Arab states have crushed their Islamic terrorists, they have never confronted them ideologically and delegitimized their behavior as un-Islamic. Arab and Muslim Americans are not part of this problem. But they could be an important part of the solution by engaging in the debate back in the Arab world, and presenting another vision of America. So America's standing in the Arab-Muslim world is now very low — partly because we have not told our story well, partly because of policies we have adopted and partly because inept, barely legitimate Arab leaders have deliberately deflected domestic criticism of themselves onto us. The result: We must now fight a war against terrorists who are crazy and evil but who, it grieves me to say, reflect the mood in their home countries more than we might think. |
that's pretty much what I say about israel at this point.they had my support for years, then they decided to level a city full of civies to catch/kill a couple of hundred individuals. we were at war with the countries those cities were in, unlike now where they/we are fighting individuals and small splinter groups. your example doesn't come close. |
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