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7/28/2006 1:36:50 PM EDT
Why couldnt the "we" of ARFCOM set up our own buyback program???

We could buy $50 gift cert for a movie theater or mall and trade them for guns...

Just a thought.
7/28/2006 1:37:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Functional firearms only?
7/28/2006 1:39:41 PM EDT
[#2]

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Functional firearms only?


Yeah, I mean we could stipulate anything we wanted to.
7/28/2006 1:41:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Good idea! There'd be lots of Lorcins and Jennings', but once in a while you might stumble upon a sweet S&W or Colt or something. And why limit it o pistols, I wouldn't mind having a classic Weatherby in the stash for $50. Would be hard not to laugh out-loud when someone walked in with something like that.
7/28/2006 1:41:47 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Why couldnt the "we" of ARFCOM set up our own buyback program???

We could buy $50 gift cert for a movie theater or mall and trade them for guns...

Just a thought.



Brilliant!  I'm in!  We should start with an "assault rifle" amnesty in Kali.  
7/28/2006 1:42:06 PM EDT
[#5]
Thought about that before myself...

Would probably get a lot of crap showing up.  Plus do you really want to accept a firearm into your possesion for a questionable source?  What are some of the legal repercussions of suck personal buy backs?  
7/28/2006 1:42:06 PM EDT
[#6]
LOL fixed...
7/28/2006 1:44:19 PM EDT
[#7]

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Thought about that before myself...

Would probably get a lot of crap showing up.  Plus do you really want to accept a firearm into your possesion for a questionable source?  Whar are some of the legal repercussions of suck personal buy backs?  


Double tap

Ummm, I have enough LEO friends that I could have them run them for me (for a freebee, I'm sure )

Hell for that matter go to your local office and tell them they can have everything that WE dont want
7/28/2006 1:44:23 PM EDT
[#8]
Heh I've got a Davis P380 in the safe just WAITING for the next buyback :-D
7/28/2006 1:45:05 PM EDT
[#9]
I have considered putting up a sign locally that just says "We Buy Guns" and a phone number. That way you vould decide if you wanted it without them standing there looking at you. BTW, I remember one Cali buy back, a woman turned in her husbands Garand. He was a WWII veteran. She got $50 and the gun got chopped and meletd. I don't hit women, much less old women, but that day I might have made my pimp hand strong.
7/28/2006 1:53:49 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm in. I'm sure Wal-Mart wouldn't mind selling a crapload of gift certificates to anyone who comes in, so we don't even need them to sponsor the program or have their name affiliated with it.

We trade gift certificates for guns, then divvy up what we've collected. Have a LEO friend run the serial numbers and turn in any that were reported stolen. Then we take all the crap guns and dump them at the nearest dealer or gun show. That leaves the GOOD guns, which we all divvy up amongst ourselves and call it a weekend.
7/28/2006 2:01:33 PM EDT
[#11]
"so -dont wait - supplies are limited -call now ,law enforcement officials are standing by."
7/28/2006 2:03:17 PM EDT
[#12]

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I'm in. I'm sure Wal-Mart wouldn't mind selling a crapload of gift certificates to anyone who comes in, so we don't even need them to sponsor the program or have their name affiliated with it.

We trade gift certificates for guns, then divvy up what we've collected. Have a LEO friend run the serial numbers and turn in any that were reported stolen. Then we take all the crap guns and dump them at the nearest dealer or gun show. That leaves the GOOD guns, which we all divvy up amongst ourselves and call it a weekend.


I'm pretty sure that if we purchased enough gift cert, we wouldn't have to pay face value for them...
7/28/2006 3:48:59 PM EDT
[#13]
What, no one thinks this would work?
7/28/2006 3:52:27 PM EDT
[#14]
it would be a gamble on whether youre getting guns that you can sell for more than the gift certificates are worth, also i would think that you would need to be an FFL to buy and sell guns on the scale that you are talking about here.

If you really want to do this, then you would be better off with a few investors becoming involved and footing the bill as opposed to trying to get ARFCOM'ers involved that are all over the country.

If you can manage a way to make this work then let me know so i can try it myself in TX!
7/28/2006 3:57:04 PM EDT
[#15]

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What, no one thinks this would work?


We need to get the "Brady Bunch" involved.  They can do all the advertizing and buy the gift certificates and we will take care of logistics and collections.  We'll handle the "disposal" too, of course.  
7/28/2006 4:00:14 PM EDT
[#16]

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What, no one thinks this would work?


We need to get the "Brady Bunch" involved.  They can do all the advertizing and buy the gift certificates and we will take care of logistics and collections.  We'll handle the "disposal" too, of course.  


Somebody make a DU troll account while I whip up my sales pitch.

*points to screen name*

If we get those guys to foot the bill while we take care of collection and disposal, I think we can really pull this off.

What should the name of our gun collection organization be, since Arfcom is likely infamous in anti-gun circles by this point?
7/28/2006 4:05:26 PM EDT
[#17]
I think you would need an FFL to keep legal. Buying that many guns makes you a dealer not to mention if someone turns in an unregistered NFA weapon, altered serial #, etc, then you become an instant felon.

Not to mention, even a legal NFA weapon trnsfered without tax paid makes you a felon.
7/28/2006 4:09:35 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What, no one thinks this would work?


We need to get the "Brady Bunch" involved.  They can do all the advertizing and buy the gift certificates and we will take care of logistics and collections.  We'll handle the "disposal" too, of course.  


Somebody make a DU troll account while I whip up my sales pitch.

*points to screen name*

If we get those guys to foot the bill while we take care of collection and disposal, I think we can really pull this off.

What should the name of our gun collection organization be, since Arfcom is likely infamous in anti-gun circles by this point?


Guns4Kids.org  

Dedicated to keeping dangerous firearms out of the hands of careless owners*.

Our motto could be "Just think how many 40s and smokes that old gat can get you!  Trade it in now!"

Also: "Don't let your kids become a victim of gun accidents, turn those guns in for some free toys."  





*and into the hands of responsible ones ;)
7/28/2006 4:10:49 PM EDT
[#19]

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I think you would need an FFL to keep legal. Buying that many guns makes you a dealer not to mention if someone turns in an unregistered NFA weapon, altered serial #, etc, then you become an instant felon.

Not to mention, even a legal NFA weapon trnsfered without tax paid makes you a felon.


Who said anything about buying?  We are trading them for something of value.  
7/28/2006 4:10:51 PM EDT
[#20]

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I'm in. I'm sure Wal-Mart wouldn't mind selling a crapload of gift certificates to anyone who comes in, so we don't even need them to sponsor the program or have their name affiliated with it.

We trade gift certificates for guns, then divvy up what we've collected. Have a LEO friend run the serial numbers and turn in any that were reported stolen. Then we take all the crap guns and dump them at the nearest dealer or gun show. That leaves the GOOD guns, which we all divvy up amongst ourselves and call it a weekend.



A nice way to build up an aresenal for the cheap
7/28/2006 4:11:06 PM EDT
[#21]
Sounds like a good idea to me.
7/28/2006 4:19:38 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think you would need an FFL to keep legal. Buying that many guns makes you a dealer not to mention if someone turns in an unregistered NFA weapon, altered serial #, etc, then you become an instant felon.

Not to mention, even a legal NFA weapon trnsfered without tax paid makes you a felon.


Who said anything about buying?  We are trading them for something of value.  


Trading/buying is irrelevant - the issue is posession, and being 'engaged in the business'...

You would need a participating FFL.

You would also need to make sure to do a functions-check on anything that looks 'interesting' or 'convertable'... MACs, Tec-9s, Stens, Thompsons, etc (if you got any)...

NFA buy-back would require the paper/tax... Best course of action would be to tell the person exactly what they have, and how to legally get a better price (eg: 'We pay more for these, but they require some paperwork. Here's a phone number, call and we'll help you out) otherwise, they will just take it to the PD).... IIRC, even a SOT can't take posession of a MG untill the paper goes thru, right?

My guess is you'd get (a) some interesting WWII shit from old folks, maybe, (b) a few hunting weapons (Such as Mossbergs, or Montgomery Wards Remmingtons), (c) a bunch of mid-grade (Glock, Beretta, Browning) common pistols, and a large amount of .38 revolvers and cheap-shit pocket pistols (HiPoint, Jennings, RG)....
7/28/2006 4:44:19 PM EDT
[#23]
Sounds like fun, count me in, group buy on wally world gift certificates.

I bet we already have people with FFL's to help out.
7/28/2006 4:52:58 PM EDT
[#24]
I call dibbs on the President of the Virginia Chapter of the ARFCOM firearm buy-back program.

7/28/2006 4:53:30 PM EDT
[#25]
Tag.
I've thought about doing this many times, the logisitics are easy, the liability and publicity are what keep me from doing it.

Not that I wouldn't back a friend who wanted to do it though..


7/28/2006 4:57:47 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Why couldnt the "we" of ARFCOM set up our own buyback program???

We could buy $50 gift cert for a movie theater or mall and trade them for guns...

Just a thought.


Buyback program my aunt fanny....

We need to start a charity:

John_Wayne777's home for wayward firearms.

I could even have cool infomercials: For only pennies a day you can rescue this beautiful neglected Colt Delta Elite from the ravages of this police evidence locker. For your sponsorship you will get a high quality photograph of your sponored firearm, and a letter every month showing its trips to the range.

Don't wait. Please call today and help us end this tragic cycle of neglect. Sleep better knowing that you are preserving these poor neglected firearms from the scrap heap. And with enough contributions, you may even be able to adopt your sponsored firearm and give it a happy home forever!

7/28/2006 4:58:50 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Tag.
I've thought about doing this many times, the logisitics are easy, the liability and publicity are what keep me from doing it.

Not that I wouldn't back a friend who wanted to do it though..




Honestly as long as you involved a very small group of insiders who actually knew what the end disposition of the firearms would be, you could pull it off.  There have to be some retired guys on here that could play up the hippy part and get the ball rolling.  I think the very best part would be fundraising money from gun grabbers like the Bradys to pay for the whole thing.  Wait until 6 months after its over and the guns are long gone to break the news to a key member of one or more organization, privately, that they have been had.  
7/28/2006 9:15:15 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Tag.
I've thought about doing this many times, the logisitics are easy, the liability and publicity are what keep me from doing it.

Not that I wouldn't back a friend who wanted to do it though..




Honestly as long as you involved a very small group of insiders who actually knew what the end disposition of the firearms would be, you could pull it off.  There have to be some retired guys on here that could play up the hippy part and get the ball rolling.  I think the very best part would be fundraising money from gun grabbers like the Bradys to pay for the whole thing.  Wait until 6 months after its over and the guns are long gone to break the news to a key member of one or more organization, privately, that they have been had.  


Why???  If they want to keep giving money to support getting these guns off the street, why would you tell them anything?
7/28/2006 9:23:37 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Tag.
I've thought about doing this many times, the logisitics are easy, the liability and publicity are what keep me from doing it.

Not that I wouldn't back a friend who wanted to do it though..




Honestly as long as you involved a very small group of insiders who actually knew what the end disposition of the firearms would be, you could pull it off.  There have to be some retired guys on here that could play up the hippy part and get the ball rolling.  I think the very best part would be fundraising money from gun grabbers like the Bradys to pay for the whole thing.  Wait until 6 months after its over and the guns are long gone to break the news to a key member of one or more organization, privately, that they have been had.  


Why???  If they want to keep giving money to support getting these guns off the street, why would you tell them anything?


True enough, but at some point you would have to rip their heart out, just cause you can.
7/28/2006 9:24:12 PM EDT
[#30]
I think its a great idea.
7/28/2006 9:30:51 PM EDT
[#31]
DUPE.

The ARFCOM Gun Buyback Program..."Guns OFF The Streets NOW..."



ETA: Some local dealers I know have done this several times.
7/28/2006 9:45:26 PM EDT
[#32]

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ETA: Some local dealer I know have done this several times.


Well dont leave us hanging, what was the take????
7/28/2006 10:02:27 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ETA: Some local dealer I know have done this several times.


Well dont leave us hanging, what was the take????


Which time?

They usually get the antis to buy them about $500 worth of buybacks of which more than half are crap (Lorcin, Raven, Jennings) that gets turned over for destruction.

The remainder is usually stuff like Mossbergs and SKS rifles in beat condition. Useful grunt guns. A few collectable ones like black powder revolvers (repros) and things like that. Only about 5% are anything anyone would put in their own collection. But hey better than nothing and no cost to them. And they make pretty decent change selling the run of the mill stuff online.

The other nice thing is every so often you turn up one that was stolen and find the owner. He is usually pretty appreciative.
7/28/2006 10:02:37 PM EDT
[#34]
if we could get a dealer on here to take possession of the weapons and ship them to out of state folks (to another dealer, of course), we could auction them as they come in and the proceeds could be used to pay for the gift certificates and a few bucks for the dealer's troubles, and the remainder to the website and maybe to a pro-gun program, like JPFO, GOA, NRA, or a kid's shooting program.

that way say we hand out $50 per weapon. we get in an M-1 garand in and raffle it. it goes for $800. $50 would go to the gift certificate, maybe another $20-$50 would go to the dealer (or a percentage of the profit), and then the maybe half of the remainder would go to the website and the other half to pro-guncharity.