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7/1/2006 6:40:46 PM EDT
It may be a stupid question but are these legal?, I'm not talking about the launchers, but the rocket it'self....  It would be nice to display with one of the fired launchers on the market, but would it be legal to have both?....  How much would this combination be worth?, and where can you get the inert rockets by themselves?....

Also is there any requirment that the launchers have holes drilled in them or modified in any otherway to be legal?, or are they legal fully intact? (Yes I realise that they can't be reloaded but Ideally I don't want holes drilled through a display piece eighther....), I've also seen these launchers with the subcaliber inserts, and live training rockets, whats the legality of these?, and would they be safe to fire?, whats the value?, is there any sorce for the insert, and training rockets?, how about the launchers themselves is there any source other than the auction sites?....
7/1/2006 6:42:56 PM EDT
[#1]
If it's inert, I don't see what the problem would be. The tube is useless without a live rocket. It's nothing more than an aluminum tube.
7/1/2006 8:36:34 PM EDT
[#2]
noone else?....
7/1/2006 8:38:07 PM EDT
[#3]
IT would be helpful to know what jurisdiction you are inquiring about.

They are highly illegal in Kahleeforneeah.
7/1/2006 9:02:21 PM EDT
[#4]
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!
The rocket itself will also have to have Inerting holes..It should have them.
If it does not have any...Don't undertake this task..unless it is dismantled completely not by you.
It might still be full up..High explosives...
An inert sticker is not enough to prove it is inert  because anyone can put a sticker on them.
hence inerting holes....Leaves no doubt that it is Inert.
You will not hurt  the value of the launcher or rocket....
As for the sub cal launcher......Still needs holes unless you want to apply for a DD permit.
I have not seen any Sub cal rockets that are still alive...
I am an ex-Army EOD guy and there are others floating on this site who will confirm what I have said and possibly add more.
Inert ordnance is a gray area in California.....You can get an inert 500lb LDGP bomb but hand grenades are a NO NO?????
Stupid people.
Contact your local Marine EOD..They are the Experts for Inerting Ordnance...Or call them..

In case you have'nt figured out....If its live or think its live....LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE AND CALL YOUR LOCAL PD....
7/1/2006 9:03:40 PM EDT
[#5]
The tube doesn't need holes drilled in it to be considered inert by the ATF.
7/1/2006 9:23:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Ordnance collections are cool!


7/1/2006 9:31:06 PM EDT
[#7]

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Ordnance collections are cool!
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Nice
7/1/2006 9:32:32 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Ordnance collections are cool!
img97.imageshack.us/img97/66/collection10xg.jpg




Wow. I recognize maybe ten of those.
7/1/2006 9:38:40 PM EDT
[#9]

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Ordnance collections are cool!
img97.imageshack.us/img97/66/collection10xg.jpg</a>




You have a @$$load of 20mil. Where did you get the party mixers (HEI & API)?
7/1/2006 9:49:40 PM EDT
[#10]
They are both legal, hell, live subcal kits are legal to own with the tubes and even shoot. Tubes run 150-700 dollars, the inert rockets run around 300.
7/1/2006 9:51:07 PM EDT
[#11]
And where do you find sub-cal kits?
7/1/2006 11:42:40 PM EDT
[#12]
I live in Michigan....


Quoted:
They are both legal, hell, live subcal kits are legal to own with the tubes and even shoot. Tubes run 150-700 dollars, the inert rockets run around 300.



By inert rockets do you meen the training rockets or the actual fullsize inert rockets?, where do you get them?....

Specificly this is what I'm interested in:



But is there anyone who regularly stocks these?....
7/2/2006 3:57:09 AM EDT
[#13]
Bump for morning crew....
7/2/2006 4:12:22 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!
The rocket itself will also have to have Inerting holes..It should have them.
If it does not have any...Don't undertake this task..unless it is dismantled completely not by you.
It might still be full up..High explosives...
An inert sticker is not enough to prove it is inert  because anyone can put a sticker on them.
hence inerting holes....Leaves no doubt that it is Inert.
You will not hurt  the value of the launcher or rocket....
As for the sub cal launcher......Still needs holes unless you want to apply for a DD permit.
I have not seen any Sub cal rockets that are still alive...
I am an ex-Army EOD guy and there are others floating on this site who will confirm what I have said and possibly add more.
Inert ordnance is a gray area in California.....You can get an inert 500lb LDGP bomb but hand grenades are a NO NO?????
Stupid people.
Contact your local Marine EOD..They are the Experts for Inerting Ordnance...Or call them..

In case you have'nt figured out....If its live or think its live....LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE AND CALL YOUR LOCAL PD....



It's odd that they would require demil holes in the LAUNCHER - once it's spent they are non-reusable anyway....
7/2/2006 4:23:33 AM EDT
[#15]
Usually It's hard to find law tubes with good sights,thats the part they are instructeed to break after firing,the ol .gov boys seem to think It's pretty much useless with out the sights.With the exeption of the more communist states,you should be ok without having to drill happy holes in the tube,(less face it,holes in the launcher for a law is pretty much a waste of time)Rockets would only be an issue with actual payloads,you'll be fine with completely inert(IE modle rockets).There are thrust issues you should become aware of but,the fun factor in the owning a funtional launcher will still be there.Have fun.
7/2/2006 4:44:06 AM EDT
[#16]

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Ordnance collections are cool!

img97.imageshack.us/img97/66/collection10xg.jpg




realwar, is that your collection?  If so, very impressive.
7/2/2006 6:38:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Guys,
I wish that was my collection.Its actually some guys in the UK and this is only a small part of it.You should see the heavy stuff.Also he has a grenade collection that would make museums run away crying.....


Also on the law rockets I did see a few different varieties for sale at  the AZ SAR show.There pretty hard to find cause most collectors dont want to give them up.
7/2/2006 6:40:49 AM EDT
[#18]
Inert is okay - but I'd much prefer "ert".
7/2/2006 6:44:16 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Inert is okay - but I'd much prefer "ert".



You and me too brother.

If it were not for the storage requirements for HE and the fact that the ordanance makers will not sell the stuff to us I would be willing pay the DD fees for grenades and LAW rockets.

I don't know where the hell I would shoot/detonate them but it would be fun as hell. I would need to build a trench with a grenade pit at our local range. And get some junk cars for the LAW rockets.

7/2/2006 6:44:20 AM EDT
[#20]
I was the coolest kid in the neighborhood playing guns. I bought a Law launcher for $75 at the local surplus store. This was problably about 14 years ago. You say the launchers are supposed to have holes? If so where? I still have the tube although one of my friends broke off one of the end caps.
7/2/2006 7:59:10 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
If it's inert, I don't see what the problem would be. The tube is useless without a live rocket. It's nothing more than an aluminum tube.



<Dave Chappelle as Black Bush>Do you have any idea what the f*** you can do with an aluminum tube?</Dave Chappelle as Black Bush>  
7/2/2006 8:35:58 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!

I said Demilitarize....Not inert the launcher....Demil....



It's odd that they would require de mil holes in the LAUNCHER - once it's spent they are non-reusable anyway....
Yes they are REUSABLE.......They are mearly cheap battle field losses...
Anyone that was in the military when these were still in service remembers...
One of the thing to be done with a LAW launcher  In a combat zone  was to destroy the tube to prevent it form BEING USED AGAIN by the enemy.

Go ahead and keep it..
It will be you  explaining to the BATFE why you have a SERVICABLE LAW launcher.
7/2/2006 11:15:26 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!

I said Demilitarize....Not inert the launcher....Demil....



It's odd that they would require de mil holes in the LAUNCHER - once it's spent they are non-reusable anyway....
Yes they are REUSABLE.......They are mearly cheap battle field losses...
Anyone that was in the military when these were still in service remembers...
One of the thing to be done with a LAW launcher  In a combat zone  was to destroy the tube to prevent it form BEING USED AGAIN by the enemy.

Go ahead and keep it..
It will be you  explaining to the BATFE why you have a SERVICABLE LAW launcher.



I heard that when the law launcher was fired the tube was weakened to the point where if you attemped to reload it, and fire it again it would explode, and the only way to reuse it was to barry it in a hillside, and fire it remotely, or to fill it with grenades, hang it from a tree, and rig the end cap to open when a trip wire was hit, is this incorrect?....
7/2/2006 11:17:13 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Inert is okay - but I'd much prefer "ert".



You and me too brother.

If it were not for the storage requirements for HE and the fact that the ordanance makers will not sell the stuff to us I would be willing pay the DD fees for grenades and LAW rockets.

I don't know where the hell I would shoot/detonate them but it would be fun as hell. I would need to build a trench with a grenade pit at our local range. And get some junk cars for the LAW rockets.




Same here I'de be willing to pay the $200 DD tax if only there were actually some sellers, you've inspired a new thread....

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=478610
7/2/2006 11:30:11 AM EDT
[#25]
Ya know, RPG-7's would be pretty easy to produce in the US. Get somebody to start cranking them out and making the rockets and warheads for 'em...

We're already paying ridiculous prices for machine guns, an RPG would cost less since we can mass-produce new ones. Just pay the $200 tax and you're good to go.
7/2/2006 11:34:52 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Ya know, RPG-7's would be pretty easy to produce in the US. Get somebody to start cranking them out and making the rockets and warheads for 'em...

We're already paying ridiculous prices for machine guns, an RPG would cost less since we can mass-produce new ones. Just pay the $200 tax and you're good to go.




I think I saw an inert RPG at the last gunshow....was marked roughly around ~$375


Anyone know any place online you could order one from? Would look really neat and scarry above any safe.
7/2/2006 11:59:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Heres one.  How does this thing work anyway?

RPG
7/2/2006 12:14:20 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I was the coolest kid in the neighborhood playing guns. I bought a Law launcher for $75 at the local surplus store. This was problably about 14 years ago.



Some were being sold for $35 each about seven years ago, but I decided I didn't "need" one. I wish I would have bought a few.
7/2/2006 2:42:30 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Heres one.  How does this thing work anyway?

RPG



That ones Airgay Airsoft, and over priced....
7/2/2006 3:08:16 PM EDT
[#30]
That Airsoft RPG actually isnt a bad price if your looking for a good replica wall hanger.The only other one that I have seen are the all resin ones for $400 or so and they dont have any metal or wood parts on them.This one would look more authentic IMO.I wonder if they make a LAW replica?
7/2/2006 3:34:50 PM EDT
[#31]
THE site
7/2/2006 4:42:05 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Ya know, RPG-7's would be pretty easy to produce in the US. Get somebody to start cranking them out and making the rockets and warheads for 'em...

We're already paying ridiculous prices for machine guns, an RPG would cost less since we can mass-produce new ones. Just pay the $200 tax and you're good to go.



1.  The US and most other Western nations have a serious aversion to unpackaged/un-containerized ordinance, with the 40mm grenade being one of the few exceptions.  A lot can go wrong when you carry around an unprotected warhead.

2.  RPGs are notoriously faulty.  Missfires, hangfires, or just plain boing KaBOOM!!!  There are a few soldiers who used RPGs that are now missing eyes and hands.  I'd like to think there are 1000x for Hajis who suffered a worse fate.  Development and testing is one of the reasons our ordinance is so reliable, and expensive.  Western nations cannot countenance deaths from defects, while eastern nations don't have as much concern.

3.  When you carry an RPG, it becomes your main weapon.  No M-16/M4, but maybe a pistol.  They're just too bulky to carry as a secondary weapon.  No way we'll ever go that route.
7/2/2006 4:54:43 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!

I said Demilitarize....Not inert the launcher....Demil....



It's odd that they would require de mil holes in the LAUNCHER - once it's spent they are non-reusable anyway....
Yes they are REUSABLE.......They are mearly cheap battle field losses...
Anyone that was in the military when these were still in service remembers...
One of the thing to be done with a LAW launcher  In a combat zone  was to destroy the tube to prevent it form BEING USED AGAIN by the enemy.

Go ahead and keep it..
It will be you  explaining to the BATFE why you have a SERVICABLE LAW launcher.



Disposable launchers and other "dunnage" are destroyed because they can be used to make other weapons, or boobie traps.  If our enemy can make rockets for our used LAW tubes, they can mke the cheap (aluminum, plastic and fiberglass) launchers.  In addition, the tubes could be boobie trapped.  A soldier might not think about picking up an American weapon on the battlefield.

During Vietnam, even non-ordinance related items were destroyed.
Beer cans were crushed so they couldn't be made into grenades.
Metal piping was destroyed so it couldn't be made into field-expedient mortar tubes.
7/2/2006 5:24:07 PM EDT
[#34]
i duno but i bought this at a flea market for $20 a few years ago

7/2/2006 5:32:07 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
i duno but i bought this at a flea market for $20 a few years ago

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/po89mm/DSC00002.jpg



Its a WWII 2.36" Bazooka Rocket, worth between $40-75 or so.
7/3/2006 5:54:59 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ya know, RPG-7's would be pretty easy to produce in the US. Get somebody to start cranking them out and making the rockets and warheads for 'em...

We're already paying ridiculous prices for machine guns, an RPG would cost less since we can mass-produce new ones. Just pay the $200 tax and you're good to go.



1.  The US and most other Western nations have a serious aversion to unpackaged/un-containerized ordinance, with the 40mm grenade being one of the few exceptions.  A lot can go wrong when you carry around an unprotected warhead.

2.  RPGs are notoriously faulty.  Missfires, hangfires, or just plain boing KaBOOM!!!  There are a few soldiers who used RPGs that are now missing eyes and hands.  I'd like to think there are 1000x for Hajis who suffered a worse fate.  Development and testing is one of the reasons our ordinance is so reliable, and expensive.  Western nations cannot countenance deaths from defects, while eastern nations don't have as much concern.

3.  When you carry an RPG, it becomes your main weapon.  No M-16/M4, but maybe a pistol.  They're just too bulky to carry as a secondary weapon.  No way we'll ever go that route.



Having seen the harsh environment in the Middle East, the notorious lack of weapons maintenance, and the sub-standard munitions built there (or the old ammo/weaponry left there by the Soviets decades ago), I'm more inclined to blame misfires and kabooms on shitty weapons care by the hadjis than any serious design flaws. The Russians still use RPG-7's (along with more modern weapons), so they obviously can't be such horrible, unreliable tools. Especially since all their other weapons and equipment were designed with reliability as being more important than any other concern, including accuracy.

And besides, we're talking about domestically produced RPG's and munitions for civilians with big bank accounts, not issuing decades-old Soviet weapons to US troops. Oh, and didn't we use RPG's as primary weapons, say, in WWII? I think they were called bazookas or something.
7/3/2006 6:00:05 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i duno but i bought this at a flea market for $20 a few years ago

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/po89mm/DSC00002.jpg



Its a WWII 2.36" Bazooka Rocket, worth between $40-75 or so.



I would disagree....a nice 2.36" rocket, with original paint, good stencilling, and an actual inert-ed war shot (not the usual dummy rounds)...that rocket would be worth over $100 to a hard core ordnance collector....ordnance prices have gone kind of crazy over the last few years....
7/16/2006 10:19:15 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Your launcher needs to be demilitarized....Holes in it....For it to be legal....BATFE Legal !!!!!

I said Demilitarize....Not inert the launcher....Demil....



It's odd that they would require de mil holes in the LAUNCHER - once it's spent they are non-reusable anyway....
Yes they are REUSABLE.......They are mearly cheap battle field losses...
Anyone that was in the military when these were still in service remembers...
One of the thing to be done with a LAW launcher  In a combat zone  was to destroy the tube to prevent it form BEING USED AGAIN by the enemy.

Go ahead and keep it..
It will be you  explaining to the BATFE why you have a SERVICABLE LAW launcher.
The hell you do, they sell them without the holes on gunbroker all the time.
The sell them at funshows. They are non reloadable except by the factory,hell a former ranger told me this!
7/16/2006 10:25:43 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
Ya know, RPG-7's would be pretty easy to produce in the US. Get somebody to start cranking them out and making the rockets and warheads for 'em...

We're already paying ridiculous prices for machine guns, an RPG would cost less since we can mass-produce new ones. Just pay the $200 tax and you're good to go.


be cool except you would have to pay a $200 tax on each live warhead for it too
7/16/2006 10:27:13 PM EDT
[#40]
http://37mm.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.pl?action=topics&forum=37mm+Legalities&number=3&DaysPrune=

I am gonna ask the experts on this subject.
7/16/2006 10:33:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Heres a good place to buy inert rockets and ordnance.


Happy Inert shopping
7/30/2006 3:15:42 PM EDT
[#43]
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Nicehile
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