Posted: 6/24/2006 3:48:23 PM EDT
I was watching T2 this afternoon on Sci-Fi and noticed that in the nuke dream sequence, Sarah Connor screams after getting set on fire by the big bomb. If you were that close to the epicenter, would you have time to scream or would you be instantly vaporized? I guess the only people who know aren't really sharing the answer. 
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You answered your own question, it was a dream sequence. Earlier in the film they show a recording of her discussing the dream sequence; she can still see despite heat/flash etc. She knew it was a dream and the scene depicted what she saw in the dream. And yes, you were unfortunate enough to be caught in the immediate blast radius, the heat/shockwave would turn you to charred dust very very quickly. |
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I think they were trying to capture the act in slow motion. You would probably go alight in flame just prior to being vaporized by the shockwave. This isnt my area of expertise but i am assuming the heat generated by the blast would ride out in front of the wave...not positive about that...perhaps a physicist will chime in. The way I interpreted that scene, the heat came and was followed bye the shock, which turned everything to dust. In realtime, it would happen in an instant. In the movie, it was dramn out so the audience could live that split second for a little while. One of the best scenes of any movie - all time. T1 and T2 were great. Went downhill after that...but the first two were awesome. |
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Remember the thing about the shadows left on the walls in Hiroshima? The people cast a shadow for a split second before they were vaporized. The split second shadow caused the wall to be a little less bleached out by the intense light, leaving the shadow forever visable. -K |
No, her twin was in the patch-up scene at the gas station. Pretty freaky seeing two Linda Hamiltons sitting there...even though there weren't two Linda Hamiltons sitting there. |
According to Wikipedia she was used more than once: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day "Linda Hamilton's twin sister Leslie Hamilton was used in three scenes (the scene where John and Sarah open the T-800's head to access his chip, she is the mother in the playground before the nuclear attack, and the scene that features "two Sarahs" where Leslie played the "real Sarah"). In addition to the Hamilton twins, twins Don and Dan Stanton were also used in the scene where the T-1000 kills a mental hospital guard, Lewis. Dan played the "T-1000 Lewis guard." |
Ahhh. I forgot about the end sequence when there were two Sarah Connors. However, in my special edition T2 DVD, there is no mention of the twin being used in the playground sequence. |
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I saw the movie several times and I don't remember ANY of those scenes. These were in the "Special Edition" uncut version. The version you normally purchase was missing about 10-15% of the uncut version. The uncut version answers a lot of questions you didn't even know you had about the movie. Kyles even in it during a dream sequence. As far as the explosion sequence goes, Sarah is watching herself and baby John die from the third person perspective, then we watch her die from yet a fourth person perspective. I love these movies, even the third one... |
You know, Claire Danes looks like this girl I dated a while back. I also have the same initals as John Connor(same first name and close to the same age too, among other parrells). Talk about freaky.  |
Man, that's weird, it's like the trilogy was made about your life or something.....
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Yeah, you do... Sarah Connor had long hair and was wearing a dress in the playground scene. The security guard scene was right before they busted Sarah out of the asylum... he was the fat red-headed guard who was getting a cup of coffee out of the vending machine. |
Hey, you never know. There's still time for SHTF and if I'm at the right place at the right time I could made "Leader".  BTW I never said anything about the trilogy, I only mentioned just T3. |
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The thermal pulse is subject to the inverse square law from the hypocenter. The radiation transmission is, of course, nearly instantaneous. I can't remember how close she was from the hypocenter in the movie, but a rough formula for fatal thermal radiation exposure is approximately: Rth = Y^0.41 * constant_th, where Y = yield in kt/2.5 and Rth is the fatal radius in km. For a 1Mt strategic weapon, this yields approximately 11.7km, or 7.3 miles. The effects of the overpressue wave falls off much faster due to the denser air. For a large strategic weapon like a 20Mt device (don't think any of those are in service), you could easily die from the burns while the overpressure wouldn't even break windows. About the question in particular: You could be an "optimum" distance where you'd be severely charred, but not evaporized. (Yuck) One thing that's annoying is that they always show ground-level explosions. That's completely inaccurate, as most weapons are set to detonate at a significant height to maximize the effectiveness of the thermal pulse. |
Uh, yeah. That's exactly what I was thinkin'.
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Dude. You might want to stay off the grid. Just in case... . 
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Does the height of the epicenter matter? air vs surface burst? |
It was axed for good reasons. That scene sucked so bad that I blinded myself with a hot poker to prevent myself from ever seeing anything so crappy ever again. |
well, that sucks. i was hoping i'd have time to at least pop open a beer first with somebody. "GET TO DE CHOPPA!!" wait, wrong film.... |
Thought it was policy to target each target with at least one ground warhead and one airburst warhead during the good ole' days of MAD. Airburst creates a larger area of destruction for instantaneous damage. Ground burst creates more contaminated material for long term effects of radiation exposure over a larger area. Wasn't that the deal? Do they still make warheads with Megaton yields?
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I forget why, and might not even be true, but megaton warheads fell out of favor (and it was not a manufacturing reason or delivery), and they use 100+ kiloton warheads instead. |
Believe it was because of the accuracy of the re-entry vehicles. More accurate less yield for fudge factor. Smaller warheads equals more warheads on each missile. |
Two scenes actually; the part where the T1000 replicated Sarah to get to John Connor (later shot in the back by the real Sarah); then a second scene (deleted from the final cut - shown on the special edition DVD); where Sarah is pulling the CPU off Arnie's head in the garage; the mirror is actually a double scene, where Linda Hamilton & Ed Furlong and Arnod are, while the other part is Linda's twin sister and a stund double for Fulong are working on a dummy made to look like Arnie. Pretty slick back in 1991. 
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Hmm, I always thought those shadows were carbon stains that were burned into the wall of what used to be a person in "front" of it. |
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1. Listen to Claire Danes speak during the T3 DVD commentary. Without a script she sounds dumb as a box of rocks. 2. If you want to see cool nuclear explosions get a copy of the documentary "Trinity & Beyond" www.imdb.com/title/tt0114728/ For sale at Amazon |
Correct. My Father and my wife's step-father both work or did work in the nuclear weapons business. My Dad told me that it is far more economical energy-wise to hit a large surface target with multiple 100+ kiloton warheads than one big one. If you use a single nuclear device to destroy a surface target, a lot of energy is wasted. Think of the volume that a single sphere has. If you increase the power of the device, the volume of space destroyed increases, but the diameter of the sphere does not increase as dramatically. Remember we're trying to destroy a surface target and the diameter of the effected area is usually more important. Not to mention the more weapons you fire at at target, the greater the odds for success in the event of a failure. |
maybe you are here to save the world from globaldyne or what ever company will sell out to the machines............ |
You are partially incorrect. The "two Sarahs" at the end of the movie was in both the theatrical release and the special edition. It's when the T-1000 poses as Sarah to get John to go to her (him) so he can kill him. Also, the dream sequence where Sarah gets pulverized in the nuclear blast was in both versions as well. |
The most common one in the US arsenal is the B83 free-fal bomb with a nominal yield of up to 1.2Mt. You're right - the accuracy of the delivery vehicles allowed for a significant reduction in required yield. The W88 warhead in the Trident C-5 has a 475kt yield, the W78 in the Minuteman 3 is around 350kt. Not much info exists on the Russian arsenal, but I believe their only strategic weapon is the SS-25 with a 550kt warhead. There's just not a lot of things which need mult-megaton warheads to destroy, and since the current warheads are so small, it's easier just to target multiple warheads than make these huge bombs that are hard to deliver. |