Posted: 6/22/2006 8:34:03 AM EDT
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Now, I learned in school that the "Native Americans" came across the Bearing Strait from Asia, and they were considered Native Americans/Indians when the english settlers got here. So how long does a group of people have to live here to be considered "Native"? My family got here in the early to mid 1500s, so I feel that I should be able to call dibs on the Native term too. Maybe I'm completely screwed on my thought process, so what do you all think? |
yeah, yeah, yeah.....I was bored and figured I'd throw that out there......no disrespect meant for the Native Americans |
| They're called "Natives" because they were already here when the writers of history books (the Spanish, French, English, etc.; Leif Erikson and his Norsemen don't really count) arrived. Same as all the other peoples they encountered were called "natives" of the area, regardless of how long those populations had been in place. |
Yeah we're natives, but they'll always be nativer. ETA: Early to mid 1500's. Was your family Spanish? Jamestown didn't get started until 1607, Plymouth in 1620. |
All this talk of nativity belongs in the Religion forum. 
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Is it that time of the month again? It aint all Cheap Gas, Cigs and Casino Profit sharing................. Propensity for Diabetes, Glaucoma and other fun stuff .gov docs doing experiments on you without your knowledge having your health care coverage stripped from you because the Feds decide that your tribe is no longer around.......... The Rez Ni&&#r comments from the Euros who hate you for your supposed "Better Status" Feel Free to use the term, then come back and give us a "Range Report" |
There is something about walking in the woods in Florida and finding a 10,000 year old spear point on the ground that would change such thinking. |
I been wondering where I lost that spear, glad you found it. 
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<------ see avatar. The word Original American or Original People sounds best to me. Nothing 'wrong' with Native American, but it does get confusing, since a lot of European heritage folks have been here for as much as 500 years. And we do need a word to refer to Native BORN Americans as compared to recent immigrants... especially illlegal immigrants. The word "Indian" is fine with me, and that's what we call ourselves here in Oklahoma. But then outsiders have to ask Dot or Feather? Confusing. Incidentally most of us here who refer to ourselves as Native actually have as much or more European ethnic heritage as we do Original heritage. It's a cultural distinction more than a racial one. We're the native Okies, since back before statehood. A LOT of folks intermarried going waaaaay back. I don't care so much what someone calls us. We had a thread going a month or so ago where we were openly called savages. But why get upset? I mean, dang, Native folks have the highest per capita rate of military service of any ethnic group, and an extraordinary reputation among folks who know, for both patriotism and heroism. PS I'd tell that maggot Ward Churchill to kiss my Okie hindquarters, but he doesn't deserve the privilege. |
The current term around these parts is "Push start or Pull Start" Push start is of couse folks from India who have the button on their forehead Pull Start because of the Nose Ring ROTFL |
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This is why I prefer to use the term "Amerind," short for American Indian and currently PC enough so I won't get bitched at by anybody but the most crunchy hippies. Anyway, if you want to get technical about it, nobody's native to anywhere but Africa. You could call the Amerinds native to America because they were here first, like you can call the Celts native to Britain because they were there first. But I consider myself to be Native American with about 1/32 or 1/64 Amerind blood. |
 I would have quessed it was the long braid. We're kind of shy on nose rings around here. |
There is no reason for YOU to get upset over idiots--but we do have staff to deal with such things. If there is a repeat of that, PLEASE let staff know, as we are not about to tolerate fellow Americans being demeaned in that manner. Ever.  We can't deal with what we aren't aware of though, so please let us know. 
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Thanks BK1, but it weren't no kind of a thang. Just idiots who seemed to think we were all extinct or something showing off their ignorance. Trust me, we held our own in the thread. There was no call to go whining to the hall monitors. 
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 Too many damn FIBs bringing their shit to the Dells for too many years! All those FIBs should just stay home! |
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Call yourself what you want. Nobody really cares. Around here were called either Indians or Cheorkee, even though I'm a Sioux and my mother is from ND. Any old conversation:
Life in small town WNC is the coolest.  CHRIS |
That was my father's father to a "t," but he was from Indiana. And in his case it was like 99% Scots-Irish (3/4ths of which was English, but damned if he'd have admitted it) and 1% Cherokee. I don't know if it's just that everybody wants to be Amerind (especially Ward Churchill) or if they actually are, but at least I can make the claim that I actually have confirmed Amerind blood (on my mother's side, one of my great-great-great grandmothers, somebody who was either half or full Ojibwa [we haven't been able to pin down how much] and who attended the Carlisle Indian School). I wonder if that's enough so I can legally do peyote  .
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Canadian!
Curious, why not use the native name that your call yourselves. I.E. Oneida, Huron, Mowhawk, Onendauga, Oweago, Iriquoi.. can't spell.. ?? Edit: I don't like calling the American Indians "indians" because it is a misnomer. It is not their fault that Columbus got the size of the planet wrong by half and though he landed near China. Thus I feel the real Indians are the ones in Asia. However "native american" is 6 syllables and takes too long to say , and I'd like a short, proper, no confusion name.
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If your going to be a spelling Natzie at least attempt to spell right yourself. Yes I missspelled Natzie, I like the T in in as that is how I pronounce it. Anyway Its Onondaga, Onendaga as you spelled it would translate "Thank You, Daga" Also its Iroquois, not Iriquoi, Iraqui or any other spelling, Iroquois is the accepted spelling of the name in Engish, The 6 Nations Grand council has advised that the true proper spelling is: Houdenosaunee (Jennings, 1985, pg xiii, The History and Culture of Iroquois Diplomacy) As to Oweago, were you trying to spell the name of one of the forts that protected the Onieda Carrying Place prior to their destruction by a french invasion out of Canada in 1756? Its spelled Oswego. |
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I was born here, so I am a Native American. Oh, and whites from South Africa and Arabs from northern Africa who come here legally are both African-American. Just goes to show how insanely stupid and divisive the whole hyphenated American bullshit is, which is, of course, the whole purpose for it. |
Well, very, very few folks are entirely one tribe or another. Most of our folks have intermarried with not only Europeans, but people from other tribes for a few centuries now. Scots-German-Texican-Lousiana Caddo-Texas Cherokee is a mouthful. Now folks who live on tribal lands with a tribal government oftentimes do indeed call themselves one nation or another. Some tribes pass down tribal identity through the father's side of the family, and others through the mother's. And like PSYWAR1-0 pointed out, a lot of very real tribes are not federally recognised. And for whatever it's worth, at least here in Oklahoma, a LOT -- if not most -- original people DON'T get any special government handouts or privileges. For a LOT of us, over the years of our families' history, folks who intermarried with Europeans were practical enough to want to move out of the lower-class "Indian" non-citizen status and give their kids the benefits of being "white" citizens, so nowadays we are entirely "white" on paper. Compared to folks who live on 'The Res', I feel white. Whenever I leave Oklahoma, I feel Indian. It's kind of a shifiting sort of identity thing. Hard to explain. ETA: I'm most comfortable just calling myself an Okie. |