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6/6/2006 5:50:36 AM EDT
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6/6/2006 5:52:34 AM EDT
[#1]
Try raising your front site.  
6/6/2006 5:53:25 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Anyone else have this problem before?

Here is some data.

I had my rear sight and front sight measured with calipers against others.

I have a flat top and it has a free float quad rail on it.  

I have a GG&G sight, with standard A2 front sight.

Why so high?


Dude..... You're screwing your front site the wrong direction. Raise the post lowers the impact.
6/6/2006 5:53:40 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



+1  Front sight going up makes bullets go down.


ETA  This could get ugly.
6/6/2006 5:55:25 AM EDT
[#4]
6/6/2006 5:56:30 AM EDT
[#5]
Classic.
6/6/2006 5:56:41 AM EDT
[#6]
I'm no expert, but if it's shooting high, I'd think that means your front sight is too low.  The standard rifle front sight base is just a hair low for flattops.  You can either relplace it with an "f" marked front sight base, or get a slightly taller front sight post.

Like this.
6/6/2006 5:57:25 AM EDT
[#7]
Sounds like your barrel is bent.. Call teh manufacturer and let them know...
6/6/2006 5:58:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Just to explain.  As you lower your front sight post, you have to hold the barrel at a higher angle to get that front sight post on target.  Therefore, the bullets are going higher.  Raise your front site, and you will lower the angle your barrel is pointing, making the bullets go lower.

TXL

It's ok, I've seen alot of new shooters make that mistake.

Now, fix it, and practice.

 
6/6/2006 6:00:25 AM EDT
[#9]
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6/6/2006 6:02:11 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



I would suggest moving to an area with smarter people then.

6/6/2006 6:02:23 AM EDT
[#11]
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6/6/2006 6:02:27 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Sounds like your barrel is bent.. Call teh manufacturer and let them know...



+1
6/6/2006 6:02:55 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



That's because he's an idiot.

Raise your front sight.
6/6/2006 6:03:01 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



Raising the front sight won't really make it shoot lower, it'll just make the sights match up a little better with where the bullet's going to hit.
6/6/2006 6:03:40 AM EDT
[#15]
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6/6/2006 6:03:47 AM EDT
[#16]

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



Sigh...
6/6/2006 6:03:57 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



do us all a favor and post the names of the ar15 "builders/gunsmiths" in that area, so we can add them to the too stupid for words black list.

oh, and if you are going to question free and good advice, then dont ask.
6/6/2006 6:05:14 AM EDT
[#18]
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6/6/2006 6:05:30 AM EDT
[#19]

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.


6/6/2006 6:06:35 AM EDT
[#20]
at what point when 20 people give you the same answer does it not sink in?

RAISE YOUR SIGHT POST.
6/6/2006 6:06:42 AM EDT
[#21]
I am not sure of the total difference it will make, but it will get you a lot closer.  It must be pretty well bottomed out to be that far off.  Make sure that the rear sight is all the way down too.  
6/6/2006 6:07:22 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



Raising the front sight won't really make it shoot lower, it'll just make the sights match up a little better with where the bullet's going to hit.



Huh?  Raising the front sight LOWERS the point of impact.  This is very basic stuff.
6/6/2006 6:08:16 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



PLEASE--at least give it a try.  You are going to find your "gunsmith" is an idiot.  Yes, if it's screwed fully in you could easily be shooting five feet high.  Give it a try--

Remember--move your REAR sight the direction you want your bullet's impact to go (down for down, right for right, etc.).  The FRONT sight gets moved in the opposite direction.  Think real hard about it and you can easily figure it out.  If you draw a diagram it is easier--as you lower the front sight the muzzle must be raised to compensate for it--and that RAISES the bullet's point of impact (POI).  

Again, your "gunsmith" is an idiot.  This is so very basic.  
6/6/2006 6:08:41 AM EDT
[#24]
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6/6/2006 6:09:15 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:




Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.




Then listen to them. What else are the local experts telling you?

You can conduct a little physical experiment for yourself to prove that if you were to raise the front sight pin, the muzzle of the barrel would be pointing lower. That is assuming you know how to aim and align the sights in the first place. Do you?


Edited because the point has been made.



6/6/2006 6:09:21 AM EDT
[#26]
Your bullets are out-of-phase with the barrel rifling. Rotate your cartridges in the magazine 180 degrees. That should do it.
6/6/2006 6:09:37 AM EDT
[#27]
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6/6/2006 6:10:14 AM EDT
[#28]
I made the same mistake this weekend, and my FSB is even marked. Raising the sight post will lower the impact like everyone else said.


ETA: I just looked at my FSB again, and its marked UP in a clockwise direction, which would turn the post down........ am I an idiot or does that not make sense when you have to turn it counter clockwise to make the bullet impact go up... Be gentle lol.
6/6/2006 6:11:32 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Anyone else have this problem before?

Here is some data.

I had my rear sight and front sight measured with calipers against others.

I have a flat top and it has a free float quad rail on it.  

I have a GG&G sight, with standard A2 front sight.

Why so high?



LMFAO

Chase the impact with the front site.   Srew it up.  & I mean way up.
6/6/2006 6:11:50 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Again, your "gunsmith" is an idiot.  This is so very basic.  



Either that or he's a customer from hell....
6/6/2006 6:12:44 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



Hmm the smith's in your area can't read the arrow and 'up' markings on the front sight?  How about the -10 (operator's manual)? [Hint it's on page 50].

Each click for a carbine is 1.875" at 100M, or 7.5" per rotation; so five feet works out to 8 rotations of the front sight.  
6/6/2006 6:12:56 AM EDT
[#32]
Okay, hold out your two index fingers, one close to you and one far away, and line them up on something like a sight (i.e. right hand rear sight, left hand front sight).

Now lower your forward finger towards the ground, keeping your rear finger and your head in place. This simulates you lowering your front sight post.

Now line your fingers back up at your original target, not moving your rear hand. Notice you need to "aim" upwards? If the front sight post is lower, your rounds will impact higher!
6/6/2006 6:13:07 AM EDT
[#33]
Ship all your guns to me and stick to airsoft.  
6/6/2006 6:13:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Here's your sign...
(It reads - "Most obvious troll evar")
6/6/2006 6:13:32 AM EDT
[#35]
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6/6/2006 6:13:51 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Try raising your front site.  



Even if I raise it all the way will it change the elevation by 5 feet at 100 yards? I don't think so.

Also the AR-15 builders/gunsmith in the area disagrees with raising it to make it shoot lower.



Raising the front sight won't really make it shoot lower, it'll just make the sights match up a little better with where the bullet's going to hit.



Huh?  Raising the front sight LOWERS the point of impact.  This is very basic stuff.





That is a point of view perspective.

Technically, John is right. The only thing that moves is the sights......not the point of impact which remains constant in relation to the barrel. When adjusting sights, you don't adjust the point of impact to the sights, you adjust the sights to the point of impact.
6/6/2006 6:15:34 AM EDT
[#37]
Shooting too high?

Shoot from the prone position.

6/6/2006 6:16:28 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
Sounds like your barrel is bent.. Call teh manufacturer and let them know...



I don't say this very often but



+1

This reminds me of the local sports columnist that has a contest each week guessing Pro Football Scores with reader guests and occasional celebs.  He calls himself SCE, the So-Called Expert.  He's about 50-50 with this.  The moral.   There are Experts and then there are So-Called Experts.
6/6/2006 6:16:59 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
Shooting too high?

Shoot from the prone position.






6/6/2006 6:18:10 AM EDT
[#40]
                         



             
6/6/2006 6:18:28 AM EDT
[#41]
The funny part is that the front site has the frigging instructions stamped on it.
6/6/2006 6:18:54 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
Your bullets are out-of-phase with the barrel rifling. Rotate your cartridges in the magazine 180 degrees. That should do it.



6/6/2006 6:19:24 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
Your bullets are out-of-phase with the barrel rifling. Rotate your cartridges in the magazine 180 degrees. That should do it.



+1  This will help out.  Maybe not the whole 5 feet but it'll get you closer than you are now....

Really.
6/6/2006 6:21:20 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
Shooting too high?

Shoot from the prone position.




Yep, that ought to lower the POI by just about 5 feet.
You can dial it in the rest of the way with the rear sight then.  
6/6/2006 6:25:37 AM EDT
[#45]
You poor bastard...
6/6/2006 6:26:17 AM EDT
[#46]
Let's see.  You are getting one inch groups at 100 yards that are 5 feet high.  Must be a fairly large target.  As everyone has stated, raising the front sight post lowers the point of impact.  You haven't mention what you have been doing with the rear sight.  In fact you haen't mention what rear sight you have and what setting you have.  Please enlighten us?  BTW, your gunsmith is a moron.
6/6/2006 6:41:32 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
Let's see.  You are getting one inch groups at 100 yards that are 5 feet high.  Must be a fairly large target.  As everyone has stated, raising the front sight post lowers the point of impact.  You haven't mention what you have been doing with the rear sight.  In fact you haen't mention what rear sight you have and what setting you have.  Please enlighten us?  BTW, your gunsmith is a moron.




Quoted:

I have a GG&G sight, with standard A2 front sight.



I believe the GG&G is his rear sight.
6/6/2006 11:08:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Any update? Post was changed to . after 1pm. So probably after a range trip.  How is the rifle shooting?
6/6/2006 11:13:25 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
Any update? Post was changed to . after 1pm. So probably after a range trip.  How is the rifle shooting?



I think he deleted all of his posts because they were too embarassing.

Shastacles, look at it this way - at least you did not come on here bragging about putting your erect penis on some guy's cheek.
6/6/2006 11:14:24 AM EDT
[#50]
It's the . of Death
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