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Posted: 3/29/2006 11:19:36 AM EDT
Check this out. I have a neighbor that is in the electric union here in NJ. Talking about a bunch of slugs. He is working at the Borgata hotel in Atlantic City. These guys are lame. They milk the job until they give them overtime. Then they get all this OT 6 10's and get paid time and a half, then double time etc. Unreal.. now here is the thing that really burns me up. Dude works until he accumulates a certain amount of hours.. so he can maintain benies.. then he takes a few months off.. while. collecting unemployment. So I am paying him (via my taxes) for him to be a slug at work.. and am paying him (via my taxes) to collect unemployement so he can have a vacation for a few months while there is work out there for him to do... WTF !!!!! That's all.. Rant Off ! just need to get that off my chest.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:22:17 AM EDT
Well, this thread will end badly...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:22:56 AM EDT


AGNTSA
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:23:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:28:07 AM EDT by MTUSA]
Retired 20 year union member here.
If I had to do it all over again I would have chose the
non- union route. Unions: Too Euro/ Socialists for me.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:24:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Well, this thread will end badly...




They always do

What's another shitstorm gonna hurt
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:25:52 AM EDT
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:26:42 AM EDT
Popcorn - check!

Av.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:27:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:29:57 AM EDT by johndel]
I don't mean to cause the shitstorm.. I just think it is awefull how they can milk the system like that. I realize that back in the day.. Unions were necessary.. But now.. union employees can get away with anything they want... they get fired.. off to the next job.. they quit... collect unemployment until the next job.. etc.. they get no repercussions..
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:30:21 AM EDT
Damned Narrowbacks...

I just started an apprenticeship with a union for lineman about 1 month before I was mobilized.. but this behaviour is not limited to unions I hope you know. Everyone abuses the system. I dont agree with all of their tactics and politics but they pay very well, protect you from predatory employers(yes they still exist), and the bennies are decent. But climbing poles and handling HV lines is spooky stuff so I'd rather not see it reduced to the lowest common denomenator via corporate ass fucking and capitalist wallet raping to make shareholders richer and the guys working poorer.

But unions in some places are completely obsolete. I dont think we need to pay someone 40$/hr to watch a robot assemble our cars and then pay 40k for said car. Just an example. Give me a minute to get my Nomex on..
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:31:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:33:05 AM EDT by johndel]
Hmmm Nomex.. You working at Valero ?

And $40 an hour for these guys that sit around on their ass most of the day..... o look it's break time.. it's lunch time.. hmmmm it's overtime.. LOL.

They make well over $70 including the benny package..
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:31:31 AM EDT
Well, you'll have to brush up on that spelling before you apply to the Apprentice Board...

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:33:04 AM EDT
Guess who, in my line of work, the biggest opponent of drug testing is?

The union.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:34:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FITTER:
Well, you'll have to brush up on that spelling before you apply to the Apprentice Board...




yeah my spelling sucks.. i know.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:36:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By johndel:
Hmmm Nomex.. You working at Valero ?

And $40 an hour for these guys that sit around on their ass most of the day..... o look it's break time.. it's lunch time.. hmmmm it's overtime.. LOL.

They make well over $70 including the benny package..



No I'm active USN right now. Was doing URD and then some commercial work. Still in my first period phase but JAG says that I am supposed to be given all my seniority and raises. I'm gonna be remobilized for another year so that means 5th period pay when I get back to the job, if I go back.. I'm debating a different career track here. Little Bro is out in Harrisburg on distribution right now, pulling in some nice $$. He should be Journeyman in about a year..
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:38:33 AM EDT
As we speak Paris is rioting again. Guess who? Unions.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:39:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:43:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:45:55 AM EDT by dalesimpson]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.




Sweet! Not only is it time for the weekly union bashing thread, but now some jackoff decides to rip on electricians too. I want to be one of the electricians that you know that just work indoors and leave just because there are no ass gaskets in the porta johns. In fact I have never seen a single ass gasket in any porta john on any construction sight I have EVER been on. And in addition, being a construction electrician most of my work IS NOT indoors.



Bite me.

ETA In my experience the masons and ironworkers were the first to leave when it rained.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:43:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By johndel:
I don't mean to cause the shitstorm.. I just think it is awefull how they can milk the system like that. I realize that back in the day.. Unions were necessary.. But now.. union employees can get away with anything they want... they get fired.. off to the next job.. they quit... collect unemployment until the next job.. etc.. they get no repercussions..



My father retired from the Iron Workers Union, I was a union man myself for a couple years and I just have to input here that you can't just quit or get fired and with "no repercussions." If any general foreman hit you with a check or you just quit without good reason, it was a strike against you that the Hall kept track of. After three strikes, they take your book, no questions asked. Granted I did see a lot of loafing and dragging jobs out MUCH longer than needed, but when you have a very slim chance of staying employed year round, they try and make the job(s) last as long as they possibly can.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:50:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By johndel:
Check this out. I have a neighbor that is in the electric union here in NJ. Talking about a bunch of slugs. He is working at the Borgata hotel in Atlantic City. These guys are lame. They milk the job until they give them overtime. Then they get all this OT 6 10's and get paid time and a half, then double time etc. Unreal.. now here is the thing that really burns me up. Dude works until he accumulates a certain amount of hours.. so he can maintain benies.. then he takes a few months off.. while. collecting unemployment. So I am paying him (via my taxes) for him to be a slug at work.. and am paying him (via my taxes) to collect unemployement so he can have a vacation for a few months while there is work out there for him to do... WTF !!!!! That's all.. Rant Off ! just need to get that off my chest.



Cool, I'm going for an electricians apprenticeship.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:59:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.



leave when it rains.. Well real electricians go to work when the weather goes bad.. Think we are freeloaders? Who do you rely on when the lights go out or some drunk snaps a pole in half..
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:06:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.



leave when it rains.. Well real electricians go to work when the weather goes bad.. Think we are freeloaders? Who do you rely on when the lights go out or some drunk snaps a pole in half..



Honda?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:52:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:

ETA In my experience the masons and ironworkers were the first to leave when it rained.



Masons leave because it is illegal to work when it is raining. Has to do with the amount of water in the mortar. If it is possible, you can put up a tarp to keep the rain out. Masons also leave when it gets cold.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:53:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:

Originally Posted By johndel:
I don't mean to cause the shitstorm.. I just think it is awefull how they can milk the system like that. I realize that back in the day.. Unions were necessary.. But now.. union employees can get away with anything they want... they get fired.. off to the next job.. they quit... collect unemployment until the next job.. etc.. they get no repercussions..


IMO, your rant is misdirected. They get away with it because management allows it. They milk the system because politicians put the system in place. You should be mad at the ones who make the rules, not the ones who follow them.



I think it's more like abusing the rules don't you? Getting away with being a lame worker because the union has your back???
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:56:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.




Sweet! Not only is it time for the weekly union bashing thread, but now some jackoff decides to rip on electricians too. I want to be one of the electricians that you know that just work indoors and leave just because there are no ass gaskets in the porta johns. In fact I have never seen a single ass gasket in any porta john on any construction sight I have EVER been on. And in addition, being a construction electrician most of my work IS NOT indoors.



Bite me.

ETA In my experience the masons and ironworkers were the first to leave when it rained.



Im not really pointing the finger at all electricians.. It just happens that the person I am talking about is in the electric union.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:56:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By johndel:
Check this out. I have a neighbor that is in the electric union here in NJ. Talking about a bunch of slugs. He is working at the Borgata hotel in Atlantic City. These guys are lame. They milk the job until they give them overtime. Then they get all this OT 6 10's and get paid time and a half, then double time etc. Unreal.. now here is the thing that really burns me up. Dude works until he accumulates a certain amount of hours.. so he can maintain benies.. then he takes a few months off.. while. collecting unemployment. So I am paying him (via my taxes) for him to be a slug at work.. and am paying him (via my taxes) to collect unemployement so he can have a vacation for a few months while there is work out there for him to do... WTF !!!!! That's all.. Rant Off ! just need to get that off my chest.



I used to believe in Unions, and I became disenchanted when they became the political arm of the Democratic Party; however, it's hard anymore to get too worked up against them when I see Robber Baron Corporations bribing politicians to bring in illegal aliens to put a few more bucks into their bottom line while my country's being destroyed because of it.

Ironically the Unions and the Robber Barons support the mass swarms of human leeches pouring across the border.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:57:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lildavid67:

Originally Posted By johndel:
I don't mean to cause the shitstorm.. I just think it is awefull how they can milk the system like that. I realize that back in the day.. Unions were necessary.. But now.. union employees can get away with anything they want... they get fired.. off to the next job.. they quit... collect unemployment until the next job.. etc.. they get no repercussions..



My father retired from the Iron Workers Union, I was a union man myself for a couple years and I just have to input here that you can't just quit or get fired and with "no repercussions." If any general foreman hit you with a check or you just quit without good reason, it was a strike against you that the Hall kept track of. After three strikes, they take your book, no questions asked. Granted I did see a lot of loafing and dragging jobs out MUCH longer than needed, but when you have a very slim chance of staying employed year round, they try and make the job(s) last as long as they possibly can.



Maybe it is different in NJ.. I don't know.. I just know the person I am talking about.. was working at an Oil refinery.. didn't want to work that job anymore.. quit.. put his name on the book.. and requested the borgata and bingo.. he is at the borgata.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:01:31 PM EDT
The Unions are a leading cause of the illegal immigration problem we have right now. They made the cost of labor ridiculously high creating a strong market for good workers who cost less. Also, they convinced too many people that knowing that shit goes down hill and payday is on Friday is worthy of a 75K a year plumber's ticket. Americans stopped wanting to work for realistic wages.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:16:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Electricians have a reputation for being slugs. When it rains....they are often the first to leave. Keep in mind that most of their work is indoors! When the Sani-can runs out of ass gaskets, they very well might leave. When the stars and moon are in a certain alignment....they might leave.




Sweet! Not only is it time for the weekly union bashing thread, but now some jackoff decides to rip on electricians too. I want to be one of the electricians that you know that just work indoors and leave just because there are no ass gaskets in the porta johns. In fact I have never seen a single ass gasket in any porta john on any construction sight I have EVER been on. And in addition, being a construction electrician most of my work IS NOT indoors.



Bite me.

ETA In my experience the masons and ironworkers were the first to leave when it rained.



I'm in the masonry business. There is a good reason we leave when it rains. We can't legally lay wet block.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:23:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
The Unions are a leading cause of the illegal immigration problem we have right now. They made the cost of labor ridiculously high creating a strong market for good workers who cost less. Also, they convinced too many people that knowing that shit goes down hill and payday is on Friday is worthy of a 75K a year plumber's ticket. Americans stopped wanting to work for realistic wages.



There's a flip side also.. You cant survive on ten bucks an hour. Not raise a family anyway and own a decent home. Corporate america will tell you that you can but immigrants willing to live 10 to a house and sleep 5 to a room dont mind since it's better than drinking shit water and loafing around.

You want work to be done by skilled workers in a high risk job that is essential to the people then I will argue that my civilian wage is more than justified and in no way artificially high.. Now I could use more money on the military side but loving what you do has a dollar sign on it!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:33:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
The Unions are a leading cause of the illegal immigration problem we have right now. They made the cost of labor ridiculously high creating a strong market for good workers who cost less. Also, they convinced too many people that knowing that shit goes down hill and payday is on Friday is worthy of a 75K a year plumber's ticket. Americans stopped wanting to work for realistic wages.



Now I understand!

The Guvmn't can enable the illegals, and when the people demand accountability, they can just blame the unions! Very clever, indeed!

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:43:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By johndel:
Check this out. I have a neighbor that is in the electric union here in NJ. Talking about a bunch of slugs. He is working at the Borgata hotel in Atlantic City. These guys are lame. They milk the job until they give them overtime. Then they get all this OT 6 10's and get paid time and a half, then double time etc. Unreal.. now here is the thing that really burns me up. Dude works until he accumulates a certain amount of hours.. so he can maintain benies.. then he takes a few months off.. while. collecting unemployment. So I am paying him (via my taxes) for him to be a slug at work.. and am paying him (via my taxes) to collect unemployement so he can have a vacation for a few months while there is work out there for him to do... WTF !!!!! That's all.. Rant Off ! just need to get that off my chest.



As a small business owner, I can't file for unemployment, but I still have to pay it. That's fair
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:58:25 PM EDT
I just want to appologize for creating such a monster. I just needed to vent about my neighbor....
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:04:56 PM EDT
These threads never resolve a thing. They're just like
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:05:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 3:05:26 PM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
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