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Posted: 1/19/2006 3:01:08 PM EDT
How do you become a civilian contractor? Do you need to have service experience? I've always wondering about this?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:03:20 PM EDT
Yes, most definately you need experience.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:04:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 3:04:49 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:05:11 PM EDT
What's that line I always hear as a response to a question like this...

"If you have to ask, you aren't qualified."

Yep... that's the one.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:06:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 3:09:24 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:08:17 PM EDT
google is your friend. by "civilian contractor" I am assuming you mean a PSD job, and not shingling roof tiles. most definitely yes. you should have experience. a LOT of experience.
If you don't, they won't even talk to you. fortunately for you, there is an easy way to get this experience. get your phone book, and look up " ARMED FORCES RECRUITING".
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:11:49 PM EDT
I have one of those nifty government contractor badges too.

Though I work summers building buildings on Ft. Lewis, not shooting brown people.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:12:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By BlackLex:
How do you become a civilian contractor? Do you need to have service experience? I've always wondering about this?



Contact an agency looking for your skills or become a .Mil Civilian Contractor...

What's your skills base?

ANdy



5 year veteran of Arfcom.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:19:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By BlackLex:
How do you become a civilian contractor? Do you need to have service experience? I've always wondering about this?



Contact an agency looking for your skills or become a .Mil Civilian Contractor...

What's your skills base?

ANdy



5 year veteran of Arfcom.



Doesn't that qualify for handicapped parking in some states?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:24:45 PM EDT
blackwaterusa.com
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:25:55 PM EDT

I know Blackwater has some intensive requirements for enlistment, prior service being one of them. I have a friend that served as a Sargent in USMC for five years and was refused a contract with BW because he still didn’t meet requirements for a convoy escort job, contractors are amoung the elite to say the least.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:28:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:29:10 PM EDT
It depends on what you are willing to do over there.
If you can drive a truck and willing to drive fuel trucks making deliveries to military bases I bet you can find something. Or if you are a engineer in the civil, communication, mechnical, construction or petrochemical field you should be able to find something.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:32:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hylton:
I know Blackwater has some intensive requirements for enlistment, prior service being one of them. I have a friend that served as a Sargent in USMC for five years and was refused a contract with BW because he still didn’t meet requirements for a convoy escort job, contractors are amoung the elite to say the least.


that being said, I know some fellows in Louisiana right now, doing static security for Blackwater,
got no more military or law enforcement background than your average boyscout.
static security (read " guard duty") isn't as glamorous as riding around with a tricked out M-4 carbine and the coolest pair of Oakleys you can afford, but you can still be the light beer version of a " Blackwater Operator".
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:41:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By just-mike:

Originally Posted By Hylton:
I know Blackwater has some intensive requirements for enlistment, prior service being one of them. I have a friend that served as a Sargent in USMC for five years and was refused a contract with BW because he still didn’t meet requirements for a convoy escort job, contractors are amoung the elite to say the least.


that being said, I know some fellows in Louisiana right now, doing static security for Blackwater,
got no more military or law enforcement background than your average boyscout.
static security (read " guard duty") isn't as glamorous as riding around with a tricked out M-4 carbine and the coolest pair of Oakleys you can afford, but you can still be the light beer version of a " Blackwater Operator".



So he's basically a sitting duck waiting to get shot or blown up?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:42:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yobo:

Originally Posted By just-mike:

Originally Posted By Hylton:
I know Blackwater has some intensive requirements for enlistment, prior service being one of them. I have a friend that served as a Sargent in USMC for five years and was refused a contract with BW because he still didn’t meet requirements for a convoy escort job, contractors are amoung the elite to say the least.


that being said, I know some fellows in Louisiana right now, doing static security for Blackwater,
got no more military or law enforcement background than your average boyscout.
static security (read " guard duty") isn't as glamorous as riding around with a tricked out M-4 carbine and the coolest pair of Oakleys you can afford, but you can still be the light beer version of a " Blackwater Operator".



So he's basically a sitting duck waiting to get shot or blown up?


Louisiana, not Iraq
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:44:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By just-mike:

Originally Posted By yobo:

Originally Posted By just-mike:

Originally Posted By Hylton:
I know Blackwater has some intensive requirements for enlistment, prior service being one of them. I have a friend that served as a Sargent in USMC for five years and was refused a contract with BW because he still didn’t meet requirements for a convoy escort job, contractors are amoung the elite to say the least.


that being said, I know some fellows in Louisiana right now, doing static security for Blackwater,
got no more military or law enforcement background than your average boyscout.
static security (read " guard duty") isn't as glamorous as riding around with a tricked out M-4 carbine and the coolest pair of Oakleys you can afford, but you can still be the light beer version of a " Blackwater Operator".



So he's basically a sitting duck waiting to get shot or blown up?


Louisiana, not Iraq



Okay, I thought you meant somebody from Louisiana went to Iraq.
I didn't think there were people who would take such jobs in Iraq.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:47:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 3:51:25 PM EDT
Wow, goverment jobs don't pay much.
I have a friend who was an experienced civil engineer who worked over there for 6 or 7 months and earned 6 figures.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:05:29 PM EDT
I was offered a position with Black Water and another company to do PSD work over in Iraq but then found a local company that was interested in my services and I will only have to do assignments for days and weeks normally instead of 6 months to a year at a time. I will probably be going to Argentina soon for 30 days and make $20,000. Each time I was offered positions they said that my experience, training and security clearance were the main reasons why I was contacted. If you do not have the experience already try to get on with someone like Securitas or another large serurity firm who does low level PSD work to get exp. Most of those openings I see are between $13 and $20 per hour and are basically doing security for a CEO or something here in the US and on a secure floor in their headquarters building.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:11:04 PM EDT
my current jobs dont equal 1/3rd of that
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:15:12 PM EDT
I think i may have worded my original question wrong..Or maybe people have mis-understood me. I have no experience, hell im only 21. And im not talking about building buildings or roofing. Im asking how would some go about getting the experience to possible become a .mil contractor. Do you take a ton of classes at Blackwater to gain experience so you may meet some sort of general requirements. Can someone with no military or LE experience just take some sort of classes to build up their training portfolio.

If you have to ask......Than your not qualified......

Alot of people may wish that they had gone through some sort of training in order to be qualified or got some info as to what they can do. Some people may have waited too long to make a decision. Being that im still young, if people could post some info as to what a civilian contractor actually does.........and how someone can become qualified.

If you have to ask......You may be interested in know what you can do to become qualified........

Thanks for thinking outside the box on that one cypher214
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:22:50 PM EDT
I have to work 12 hours shifts. Most of it is advanced party stuff getting prepared and everything lined out then it's all easy if you did all that right. Sometimes just staying awake or not going bored out of your mind on your off time with nothing to do besides work out, eat, sleep, clean weapons, review the next days events and such. But the REALLY good thing about it is that all my range time and ammo are tax deductible along with lots of my other goodies!!!
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:26:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:28:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:29:40 PM EDT
Also if you have the money I would reccomend taking a course like the one from ESI or someone and as many tactical classes from Black Water as possible. ESI usually helps their students find work.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:37:02 PM EDT
US Navy Master At Arms/SP, US Army Military Police PSD, SRT, MOUT, MPI, CID, Air Assault, Pathfinder, Rangers and any 18 series job.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:08:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By BlackLex:
How do you become a civilian contractor? Do you need to have service experience? I've always wondering about this?



Contact an agency looking for your skills or become a .Mil Civilian Contractor...

What's your skills base?

ANdy



5 year veteran of Arfcom.



You will be a great asset if there is a Zombie Invasion



Send me my official ID card dammit.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 9:27:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TrojanFan:
I have to work 12 hours shifts.


Nice job! i remember 24on, 24off if i was lucky to have another medic along; if not, 24/7 of hurry up & wait in the lobby/guard shack/car; looking back, not bad for up to 20k/month(incl. bonus); enjoy those portenas in buenos aires.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 9:45:39 PM EDT
Join the military.


If there were a quick way to do it, then the term "ARFcom army" wouldn't be figurative.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:54:05 PM EDT
it all depends at what contracts they have pending and what positions on current contracts they have open

generally speaking if it's a new contract they need bodies on the ground and may let certain criteria slide
at the same time though certain companies have been known to put people through their "training course" and when they can't employee you (contract falls through, etc etc) for the next 90 days and you decide you need a real job and not the $20-$50/day they are giving you to wait, they will try to bill you a few grand, or more.

when no new contracts are in the works it's usually a bit tougher to get picked up, and some standards are applied that aren't really "standards" per say, so much as who you know, just like any other type of work



Dyncorps, Titan, Blackwater, Global Risk, Triple Canopy, the list goes on and on and on, there is work out there, the real trick is finding the opening and having the right skillset and background to slide into it. If your faking it, it will take them about 20 minutes to find out and sh*tcan you.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 11:22:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 11:24:40 PM EDT by FatCobra]

Originally Posted By BlackLex:
How do you become a civilian contractor? Do you need to have service experience? I've always wondering about this?



What kind of work do you want to do?

Kill people and blow things up? Your best bet is to join one of the Armed Forces services.

Apply a traditional skill/labor in a military environment? KBR will hire a complete idiot with NO SKILL as well as well qualified people and send you to Afghanistan or Iraq. The lowest paid guys make 50 or 60K tax free.
Unless you drive a truck on a convoy outside the base you will not be shot at (you gotta be an idiot to take that job, but hey we need those people to do it). There is also a small risk of a poorly aimed rocket hitting the base.
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