Posted: 11/21/2005 2:14:32 PM EDT
| Can someone describe to me the military's m16 qualification test? For instance how many shots at what yardages and what you have to score. |
Ya better pick a particular BRANCH of service, each have their own ways. USMC has changed theirs alot since I was in, so no telling what they do now. |
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USMC Qualification info <---- click me this is one persons opinion of the USMC course and ways to improve it More info <--- click me Your question needs to be Service specific for anyone to reply with a meaningful answer. When I was in the qualification course included 200, 300, and 500 meter courses of fire in various methods of support (standing , kneeling, sitting, and prone) |
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When I was in the Army we used the same qual for the M-16 and the M-4. There were 2 seperate acceptable methods. The more fun of the two was the pop up range. It was 40 rounds total, usually 20 prone or standing supported, and 20 prone unsupported. The targets, which were shaped like a person from the waste up and about 2/3 scale, would pop up in sequence and then fall down when you hit them. Ranges were 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, and 300 meters IIRC. I dont remember exactly what order, or how many of what range, or for how long. I'll see if I can find that info when I get home if someone hasn't already come along and picked up my slack. We only had to score 23 to qualify - which IMHO - is pretty piss poor. The second method was at 25 meters with sillouettes on the paper target. The sillouettes were sized to represent targets at different ranges. On these I think we had to score a minimum of 25 hits. This was during the Clinton regime, I'm ASSuming (hoping) it's been changed since then. We did it a minimum of once a year, but in my unit we did it much more often. -K ETA: On the pop up range we also shot, IIRC, 10 rounds at a 25 meter head and shoulders target with our masks on. Weather permitting (not too dry/fire hazard) we would shoot 20 rounds of ball/tracer mix also at the 25 meter target at night. We cheated by pouring chem-light juice on our sites as a poor mans tritium. Todays optical sites eliminate the need for that. |
Since Klinton made all the units get rid of their ranges for bogus 'environmental' reasons it is much more difficult to get to a working range AT ALL. So most quals will be on paper targets at 25 m. If you are lucky the real range is not suffering massive malfunction. |
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For the Air Force: Using 25M range only. 40 rounds standard qualification: 10 rnds prone supported 10 rnds prone unsupported 10 rnds kneeling barricade 10 rnds standing barricade 50 rnd deployment/augmentee qualification: 10 rnds prone supported 10 rnds prone supported wearing gas mask 10 rnds prone unsupported 10 rnds kneeling barricade 10 rnds standing barricade will add pics...  OK. The right target was the sight-in target. The middle target was the practice target. The left target was the qualification target. Total rounds fired 100. Score on qual, 47/50! |
| Pop-up range was fun(Ft Leonard Wood 87),no particular order,on the pop-ups(controled by a computer(brand new range in 87),hit 39 outta 40. Look around your position,there maybe loose rounds!!!! Yeah,we had a few who could'nt hit even 23 pop-ups(including a Native American who damned near broke the 2 mile run record for Ft"Lost in the Woods"). |
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For the army: 20rds foxhole, then 20 rds prone unsupported--targets range from 50 to 300 meters, including multiple targets, they stay up for 3-9 sec. Targets knocked down 36-40 expert, 30-35 sharpshooter, 23-29 marksman, 22 and below your're dead, I mean unqualified. Then night fire and NBC ( gas mask). Iron sights only. The war has changed the usual crappy army marksmanship program, after the above qualification troops now fire a CQB course, shooting on the move, etc. and recieve additional training with all the optics. |
where can you get those targets? And are they the same ones used for USMC quailification? |
www.letargets.com/html/targets1.html You can get them there, I did. I seriously doubt the USMC would ever shoot at a 25 meter range. Every Marine is a rifleman, don't ya know? 
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My qual at Fort benning Infantry School For Boys was pop ups. 40 rounds total 20 prone supported Mag change 10 prone unsupported Mag change 10 kneeling We were one of the first companys to qualify in the kneeling position. Good for sandbox training. 25 was qual I think 32 was sharp and 37 or 38 expert.  I managed to fuck it up pretty good. I dropped my mag durring a change and fumbled it for a good bit missing many pop ups . Drill seargent had fun with me after that stunt . I later qualed expert when i got to my unit .
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Not bad, sounds like the Army is finally realizing that you might have to change mags. We (AF) have always made you do too damn many mag changes, 2 three round mags and 1 four round per position, so for your 40 rounds it's 8 mag changes. They won't let you drop them on the ground either so that takes some time to stow them in your BDU top or pouch. I thought the Army's pop up range at Ft. Benning was ridiculously easy in comparison, only two positions to shoot, and no mag changes. The Marines with my det were pissed when the flyboys outshot them though. I guess judging by the sniper competition results that might be more common than I though. 
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USMC annual qual is as follows: 200 Yard Slow Fire in time limit of 20 minutes consists of: 5 rounds sitting 5 rounds kneeling 5 rounds standing 200 Yard Rapid Fire in a time limit of 70 seconds: Two 5 round magazines. Shooter goes from standing to sitting before firing. 300 Yard Slow Fire in a time limit of 5 minutes: 5 rounds sitting 300 Yard Rapid Fire in a time limit of 70 seconds: Two 5 round magazines. Shooter goes from standing to prone before firing. 500 Yard Slow Fire in a time limit of 10 minutes: 10 rounds prone |
Man this thread is bringing back fond memorys. The moving target range IMO was the funnest. They claimed we had to qualify there to graduate but i called bs. We were allowed to use our aimpoints on this one  . Same type shooting as above post but more rounds. I think it was 20 prone 20 prone unsupported 10 kneeling. I think qual on this one was 28. Now to brag a little bit i had the top score in my platoon with 45/50. not to mention i wasnt wearing my glasses  . Wish i could go back and do it allover again after my lazer eye surgery. Now all we get to shoot is cheesy paper.
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That was the ELR (Entry Level Rifle) Qualification also know as the KD course starting in 94 it was only shot at boot camp, TBS and to a limited extent in the reserves . The course of fire today is 4 tables with table 1 and 2 at the range, 3 done at the Marines unit and 4 only required of 03 MOSs. Table One Range COF Position Rounds Time in Mins 200 Slow-fire Sitting 1 5 25 200 Slow-fire Kneeling 1 5 200 Slow-fire Standing 1 5 200 Rapid-fire Sitting 1 10 1 * 5 rounds per mag 300 Slow-fire Kneeling 1 5 5 300 Rapid-fire Prone 1 10 1 * 5 rounds per mag 500 Slow-fire Prone 1 10 15 Table 2 is show on range days 4 and 5 with table 2 qual going on day 5 Stage 1: 1 Single shot from the ready X 2, 3 seconds per 1 CP from the ready X 2, 5 seconds per 1 HP from the ready X 2m 3 seconds per 1 AP from the ready X 2, 5 seconds per Total: 16 rounds. Stage 2: 1 shot standing, 1 shot unsupported kneeling X 2, 5 seconds per 1 CP standing, 1 CP unsupported kneeling X 2, 6 seconds per 1 HP standing, 1 HP unsupported kneeling X 2, 4 seconds per 1 AP standing, 1 AP unsupported kneeling X 2, 6 seconds per Total: 32 rounds Stage 3: 1 shot standing at left target, 1 shot kneeling to the right hand target X 2, 5 seconds per 1 CP standing at left target, 1 CP kneeling to the right hand target X 2, 6 seconds per 1 HP standing at left target, 1 HP kneeling to the right hand target X 2, 4 seconds per 1 AP standing at left target, 1 AP kneeling to the right hand target X 2, 8 seconds per Total: 32 rounds. All portions of table 2 shot at 25 meter line with 60 out of 80 shots in the kill zone passing. If you don't pass on table 2, you get a 190 on table 1 no matter what your score was. |