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10/29/2005 10:37:32 AM EDT
Do you speak Dutch?

I am trying to decide on a second language for graduate studies, and I am considering Dutch.

I have a BA in German and am currently a German language graduate student, but to get my degree I must prove basic reading proficiency in a second foreign language.  

I want to stay in the Germanic family, and I assume that Dutch would not be all that difficult since I am already relatively fluent in German.

What do you think?

Of course, if you only speak Danish, if I remember correctly you are from Denmark, then "I like Pie" will be an adequate response...
10/29/2005 10:40:20 AM EDT
[#1]
If you're in Texas, English is a second foreign language.
10/29/2005 10:43:35 AM EDT
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If you're in Texas, English is a second foreign language.



I know it.  I was tempted to say I was a "minority" student on my graduate application but decided against it...

I'm becoming less radical in my old age...
10/29/2005 10:52:36 AM EDT
[#3]
He only wears them funny wooden shoes.
10/29/2005 11:06:02 AM EDT
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He only wears them funny wooden shoes.



He has creepy real-doll mannequin things in his house, too.
10/29/2005 11:15:32 AM EDT
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He only wears them funny wooden shoes.





Danny
10/29/2005 1:02:50 PM EDT
[#6]
Bump für den Professor.
10/29/2005 1:05:05 PM EDT
[#7]
I think he speaks Swede.
10/29/2005 3:36:34 PM EDT
[#8]
10/30/2005 12:54:01 PM EDT
[#9]
Ich bekomme keine Liebe vom Professor...

Schade.
10/30/2005 3:53:58 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm not a linguist so I speak no languages other than english, but half my family is directly from the Netherlands.  I can understand Dutch and have a good selection of nouns I can use.  I just lack the verbs and all the other words used to create a full sentence.  That said, I don't think it is a very difficult language to learn, though it is significantly different than German (ETA: or so I'm told by my Dutch relatives).  I wonder about the usefulness of learning Dutch.  It would be useful for me as I visit family in the Netherlands on occasion but in the grand scheme of the world I doubt it would be too useful.

Kent
10/30/2005 4:05:09 PM EDT
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I'm not a linguist so I speak no languages other than english, but half my family is directly from the Netherlands.  I can understand Dutch and have a good selection of nouns I can use.  I just lack the verbs and all the other words used to create a full sentence.  That said, I don't think it is a very difficult language to learn, though it is significantly different than German (ETA: or so I'm told by my Dutch relatives).  I wonder about the usefulness of learning Dutch.  It would be useful for me as I visit family in the Netherlands on occasion but in the grand scheme of the world I doubt it would be too useful.

Kent



Isn't Dutch used in South Africa?  Some Carib & Pacific islands also IIRC.  
10/30/2005 4:13:54 PM EDT
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I'm not a linguist so I speak no languages other than english, but half my family is directly from the Netherlands.  I can understand Dutch and have a good selection of nouns I can use.  I just lack the verbs and all the other words used to create a full sentence.  That said, I don't think it is a very difficult language to learn, though it is significantly different than German (ETA: or so I'm told by my Dutch relatives).  I wonder about the usefulness of learning Dutch.  It would be useful for me as I visit family in the Netherlands on occasion but in the grand scheme of the world I doubt it would be too useful.

Kent



Well, to get a Masters in German (I assume it is the same at all major universities), you must prove reading proficiency in a second foreign language.  I would probably not use it much after that.  Who knows though, it could be useful.  

As to its usefulness per se, I doubt I will stay in Texas after I am finished, so I am not worried about learning Spanish, nor do I have any desire to.

Dutch is very similar to Low German.  Modern High German and Dutch are fairly different, but not too drastically.

"I am" in German is "Ich bin".

In Dutch it would simply be "Ik ben".

You can see the similarity.  
10/30/2005 4:17:18 PM EDT
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I'm not a linguist so I speak no languages other than english, but half my family is directly from the Netherlands.  I can understand Dutch and have a good selection of nouns I can use.  I just lack the verbs and all the other words used to create a full sentence.  That said, I don't think it is a very difficult language to learn, though it is significantly different than German (ETA: or so I'm told by my Dutch relatives).  I wonder about the usefulness of learning Dutch.  It would be useful for me as I visit family in the Netherlands on occasion but in the grand scheme of the world I doubt it would be too useful.

Kent



Isn't Dutch used in South Africa?  Some Carib & Pacific islands also IIRC.  



Dutch and Afrikans are used in South Africa IIRC.
10/30/2005 4:34:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Afrikaans is with 2 As.


Cool.  I'm now a spelling Nazi in more than 1 language.  I wonder if I can get extra credit on my next eval?
10/30/2005 4:36:47 PM EDT
[#15]
[DK-Prof] Îk Likken Pyë !! [/DK-Prof]
10/30/2005 4:52:58 PM EDT
[#16]

Y'all are bastards!!  



I used to speak Dutch, when I lived in Holland as a kid, but it was somehow displaced and lost when we moved to Germany and I spent 5 years speaking German.  (Partly because it is very similar to German).

So, if you speak German pretty well, I don't think you'd have much trouble at all with Dutch - it is pretty close to German.  (Other Germanic languages - like the Scandinavian ones are much more distant from German.)  Personally, I don't think there is much USE for Dutch, so I guess it's pronbably a tradeoff for you in terms of how easy it would be, compared to how useful it might be in the future.

Sorry I can't be more helpful

10/30/2005 4:59:40 PM EDT
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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!
10/30/2005 5:07:11 PM EDT
[#18]

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Y'all are bastards!!  



I used to speak Dutch, when I lived in Holland as a kid, but it was somehow displaced and lost when we moved to Germany and I spent 5 years speaking German.  (Partly because it is very similar to German).

So, if you speak German pretty well, I don't think you'd have much trouble at all with Dutch - it is pretty close to German.  (Other Germanic languages - like the Scandinavian ones are much more distant from German.)  Personally, I don't think there is much USE for Dutch, so I guess it's pronbably a tradeoff for you in terms of how easy it would be, compared to how useful it might be in the future.

Sorry I can't be more helpful




Well, it's useful if you work for a German company that does business in Dutch speaking countries.  It's not all that useful here in the States though.
10/30/2005 5:15:24 PM EDT
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Well, it's useful if you work for a German company that does business in Dutch speaking countries.  It's not all that useful here in the States though.



Yup - I guess that would be really useful then!!  

Good luck.  Like I said, if you've got a handle on German, I think Dutch will be a breeze for you.
10/30/2005 5:30:02 PM EDT
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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!



We need to add this to the ARF FAQ.
10/30/2005 5:34:04 PM EDT
[#21]
There are just two things I hate in this world.  People who are intolerant of other cultures and

wherever DK-Prof is from.

10/30/2005 5:35:40 PM EDT
[#22]
"Herg nah flag nah flerg."

It's Dutch for "farting under the bed sheets and then pulling the sheet up and over your wife's head.

We call it the Dutch oven here in America.

10/30/2005 5:36:20 PM EDT
[#23]

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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!



We need to add this to the ARF FAQ.



Don't make me throw a clog at you!!  

Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  
10/30/2005 5:55:53 PM EDT
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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid



Which would make you..... ?
10/30/2005 5:55:56 PM EDT
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Quoted:

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Quoted:

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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!



We need to add this to the ARF FAQ.



Don't make me throw a clog at you!!  

Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  




If you were born in Holland you cant be Danish
10/30/2005 6:00:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Ya  know, I hate these discussions about DK-Prof's nationality because they leave me with an inevitable craving for pastry.
10/30/2005 6:38:52 PM EDT
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Ya  know, I hate these discussions about DK-Prof's nationality because they leave me with an inevitable craving for pastry.



They just leave me confused....
10/31/2005 6:57:27 AM EDT
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Quoted:

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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!



We need to add this to the ARF FAQ.



Don't make me throw a clog at you!!  

Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  




If you were born in Holland you cant be Danish



Now you're really going to confuse people.

In most european countries (including Denmark and Holland), nationality derives from your parents, not where you are born.  The fact that I was physically born in Holland never had any effect of my nationality, since both my parents are Danish.  
10/31/2005 7:08:15 AM EDT
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I lived in Holland as a kid


You ARE Dutch!!!

I KNEW the lady doth protest too much!



We need to add this to the ARF FAQ.



Don't make me throw a clog at you!!  

Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  




If you were born in Holland you cant be Danish



Now you're really going to confuse people.

In most european countries (including Denmark and Holland), nationality derives from your parents, not where you are born.  The fact that I was physically born in Holland never had any effect of my nationality, since both my parents are Danish.  



But you lived there as a kid, so you are a bit Dutch.  

Make a trip to Orange City, Iowa next summer for the Tulip festival and explore your roots.
10/31/2005 7:11:27 AM EDT
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I'm a cruller.
10/31/2005 7:13:49 AM EDT
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Now you're really going to confuse people.

In most european countries (including Denmark and Holland), nationality derives from your parents, not where you are born.  The fact that I was physically born in Holland never had any effect of my nationality, since both my parents are Danish.  



But you lived there as a kid, so you are a bit Dutch.

Make a trip to Orange City, Iowa next summer for the Tulip festival and explore your roots.




Tham's fightin' words !!!



10/31/2005 7:15:03 AM EDT
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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  



So all this time we've been ragging you about being Dutch.....and you were born there?

The irony.
10/31/2005 7:16:44 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  



So all this time we've been ragging you about being Dutch.....and you were born there?

The irony.



Well Europe's a small place.  That's like a Texan being born in Ohio or something like that.  
10/31/2005 7:16:59 AM EDT
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Now you're really going to confuse people.

In most european countries (including Denmark and Holland), nationality derives from your parents, not where you are born.  The fact that I was physically born in Holland never had any effect of my nationality, since both my parents are Danish.  



But you lived there as a kid, so you are a bit Dutch.

Make a trip to Orange City, Iowa next summer for the Tulip festival and explore your roots.




Tham's fightin' words !!!






Quick test:  Does your last name start with a "V"?

I worked in Orange City for 6 months, and the A-U took up about 8 pages in the phone book, then there were 30 pages of "V", and then one mroe for X-Z.
10/31/2005 7:19:34 AM EDT
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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid



Which would make you..... ?



Hollandaise
10/31/2005 7:28:41 AM EDT
[#36]

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Quoted:

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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  



So all this time we've been ragging you about being Dutch.....and you were born there?

The irony.



Well Europe's a small place.  That's like a Texan being born in Ohio or something like that.  

Oh, fuck.

10/31/2005 11:37:08 AM EDT
[#37]

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Seriously - I was born in Holland and lived there as a kid, but I am Danish!   Really.  



So all this time we've been ragging you about being Dutch.....and you were born there?

The irony.



Well Europe's a small place.  That's like a Texan being born in Ohio or something like that.  

Oh, fuck.