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10/28/2005 4:19:49 PM EDT
This thread may go over like a turd in the punchbowl, but here goes.

We all have pretty good idea of what is legal and what isn't but has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?

I once heard about an AK that had been mated with the electronic fire control group from a paintball gun.  It was still semi-auto, but had a trigger pull of about 1 oz, and could probably be bumped with no real effort.  Few extra electronic modifications could be added to produce a "pulsing" output.

Also, there is that 10/22 gatling gun which is legal because you have to turn a crank, but it would probably be real easy to chuck it up to a cordless drill.

Was there a ruling on those adapters that connect a soda bottle to a threaded barrel?

Any others?
10/28/2005 4:21:18 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm thinking of the AR adapter for firing golf balls (or was it tennis balls?) with a blank cartridge.  Kindof like a rifle grenade.
10/28/2005 4:22:26 PM EDT
[#2]
The book "Glock Exotic Weapons System" can't be sold to civilians.  It is classified as a machinegun all by itself.  
10/28/2005 4:23:31 PM EDT
[#3]

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The book "Glock Exotic Weapons System" can't be sold to civilians.  It is classified as a machinegun all by itself.  



You're kidding right?
10/28/2005 4:24:56 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The book "Glock Exotic Weapons System" can't be sold to civilians.  It is classified as a machinegun all by itself.  



You're kidding right?



I would think so.  That said I'd never buy a Paladin Press book with anything other than cash.
10/28/2005 4:28:49 PM EDT
[#5]
not quite what your lookin for, but a couple years ago i answered an ad in the paper for an AK for sale, nylon case, and 12 extra mags, i forget the price now, somewhere in the 300's ......drove to this guys house after taking to him.  When i got there, he said he had just sold it and he was very glad to be rid of it, his friend had told him it was illegal because it had " 3 safeties, or a 3rd safety switch or something, im not real sure"     not sure if it was what i think it was but it was still kinda freaky though.....kinda glad he sold it before i got there,   it would have been veeeeery tempting
10/28/2005 4:58:13 PM EDT
[#6]
Shit.

Nothin' to see here.  Move along...
10/28/2005 5:04:28 PM EDT
[#7]
This is from Gunbroker.



10/28/2005 5:14:18 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/cbsaf/pix480306765.jpg




I've seen that before.  On of the Glock accessory websites sells it as a "spotting scope stock".  They ship it with an adapter that connects where the tripod would go.  Take the adapter off and the end looks like it would fit perfectly into the grip of a Glock.  They have no mention of NFA rules in the description if I remember correctly.
10/28/2005 5:15:12 PM EDT
[#9]
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.

10/28/2005 5:18:40 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.




I didn't think you could add any electronic device to activate the trigger.
10/28/2005 5:22:40 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/cbsaf/pix480306765.jpg




Use some lube this time, Mr. ATF, please.
10/28/2005 5:24:19 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.






where can i get a trigger like that?
10/28/2005 5:26:06 PM EDT
[#13]
I have no knowledge of the firearm in question
10/28/2005 5:29:53 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.




except a shoestring
10/28/2005 5:38:12 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
This thread may go over like a turd in the punchbowl, but here goes.

We all have pretty good idea of what is legal and what isn't but has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?

I once heard about an AK that had been mated with the electronic fire control group from a paintball gun.  It was still semi-auto, but had a trigger pull of about 1 oz, and could probably be bumped with no real effort.  Few extra electronic modifications could be added to produce a "pulsing" output.

Also, there is that 10/22 gatling gun which is legal because you have to turn a crank, but it would probably be real easy to chuck it up to a cordless drill.

Was there a ruling on those adapters that connect a soda bottle to a threaded barrel?

Any others?

Not possible.  the electronic paintball markers are electronically acuated valves.  You'd have to be an engineering genius to even design a way to make it work much less make it.
10/28/2005 5:40:38 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.




except a shoestring

For purposes of settling my damn curiosity, ( I don't even own an AK or AR so I obviously can't be doing anything illegal with one, hell I don't even have any shoe strings) WTF is this shit about shoe strings and FA?
10/28/2005 5:45:33 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/cbsaf/pix480306765.jpg




That attaches to the mag. What you really need is a  TDI  "tactical force multiplier".



www.tjgeneralstore.com/glock_accessories.htm
10/28/2005 5:50:58 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/cbsaf/pix480306765.jpg




where can i get a trigger like that?



Lol...that Glock trigger is too small to have a cloaking device...
10/28/2005 5:52:59 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.




except a shoestring

For purposes of settling my damn curiosity, ( I don't even own an AK or AR so I obviously can't be doing anything illegal with one, hell I don't even have any shoe strings) WTF is this shit about shoe strings and FA?



Because the BATFE sez so.

I have no idea how to rig something like this up, but even if I did it would be a CoC violation if I posted it.

10/28/2005 5:56:22 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?



My Tec-9 bit**
10/28/2005 5:59:05 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?



My Tec-9 bit**
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Intratec_Tec-9.jpg




Explain?


10/28/2005 6:04:27 PM EDT
[#22]
My Model 12 Winchester went full auto one time. I had a muscle twitch real bad and it emptied the tube in about 2 seconds.
10/28/2005 6:15:13 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
As long as a mod isn't done to the inside of a trigger, you can put just about anything external to a trigger, AFAIK.




except a shoestring

For purposes of settling my damn curiosity, ( I don't even own an AK or AR so I obviously can't be doing anything illegal with one, hell I don't even have any shoe strings) WTF is this shit about shoe strings and FA?



Because the BATFE sez so.

I have no idea how to rig something like this up, but even if I did it would be a CoC violation if I posted it.

www.autochart.com/Guns/ATF_Ruling_2004-09-30_String_Trick.jpg



Interesting...I wonder if there is any pre '81 drop in twine for sale in the back of Shotgun News...
10/28/2005 6:20:46 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?



My Tec-9 bit**
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Intratec_Tec-9.jpg




Explain?





I'm guessing any semi-autos that fire from an open bolt or can easily be converted to fire full-auto.

IIRC, the early MAC-10's and Cobrays fall into this catagory.
10/28/2005 6:46:39 PM EDT
[#25]
About 10-12 years ago, I was selling off a collection for someone and a guy called and asked if I would be interested in taking an M1 carbine in trade.  I asked a few questions and was told that it was GI, don't remember the manufacturer.  He brought it over and I went out in the driveway to his car to see it.  He opened the trunk, unzipped the case and I found myself looking at an M2 carbine.  It said "M2" and it had the selector switch on the side of the receiver.  If the guy knew it was not an "M1", he never let on.  I didn't say anything about it being a full-auto, while thinking whether I really wanted to get involved with it.  I played dumb and offered about what regular GI carbines were going for at the time.  He said he'd think about it and left.  Never heard from him again.  Probably should have got his plate # "just in case".

The more I though about that deal, the happier I was that the guy walked.  I talked to someone knowledgable about NFA stuff and he said he wouldn't touch something like that.  Gotta wonder where it ended up though.  Could also have been ATF looking to do a Randy Weaver.
10/28/2005 7:04:31 PM EDT
[#26]
Sorry I cant be more specific ( I really dont know) but that "locking" mechinism that is supposed to lock a Glock and make it "safe" looks alot like the selector switches on European modified Glocks.
10/28/2005 7:09:40 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Was there a ruling on those adapters that connect a soda bottle to a threaded barrel?




I believe these are NFA
10/28/2005 8:41:45 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This thread may go over like a turd in the punchbowl, but here goes.

We all have pretty good idea of what is legal and what isn't but has anyone here come across something that is really close to the line?

I once heard about an AK that had been mated with the electronic fire control group from a paintball gun.  It was still semi-auto, but had a trigger pull of about 1 oz, and could probably be bumped with no real effort.  Few extra electronic modifications could be added to produce a "pulsing" output.

Also, there is that 10/22 gatling gun which is legal because you have to turn a crank, but it would probably be real easy to chuck it up to a cordless drill.

Was there a ruling on those adapters that connect a soda bottle to a threaded barrel?

Any others?

Not possible.  the electronic paintball markers are electronically acuated valves.  You'd have to be an engineering genius to even design a way to make it work much less make it.



Not all of them.  The electro spyder and some other blow-back style semis use a big honking solenoid to drop the sear.
10/28/2005 8:45:22 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This is from Gunbroker.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/cbsaf/pix480306765.jpg




That attaches to the mag. What you really need is a  TDI  "tactical force multiplier".

www.tjgeneralstore.com/UTA_12.jpg

www.tjgeneralstore.com/glock_accessories.htm



Reminds me of the "gun" episode of the simpsons...

Moe: "And that's how, with a few minor adjustments, you can turn a regular gun into five guns."