Posted: 7/4/2005 7:25:13 PM EDT
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I have been watching quietly and observing all the accessories that people put on thier weapons and then read how they justify thier exsistance. I see where we are tring to copy our present military operating in very urban(city)terrain. Then I wonder how is these weapons with all the bells and whistles going to work in a jungle or woodland battle. Light accessories I know there are times that you may want to illuminate your target but in a war zone with the opposite side(trained Army) looking for targets to shoot at, I don't believe that I would want to give away my posistion by turning on my barrel mounted light.  Also the lights mounted on the sides rather than top or bottom would catch all the weeds/grass making movement very difficult The same can be said for dual or tripple magazine holders, Weed catchers!!! Open ended flash suppressors Weed catchers!!!! The electronic sights are OK, I like the EOTECH it has smooth lines nothing to catch on, but some of the others OMG!! Adjustable stocks are a good idea but you would'nt believe the people I've seen trying to shoot Standing/sittng with thier stocks fully collapsed and they can't hit a thing and they blame it on the gun! The worst part is they put on all this stuff but leave off the bayonet lug. When a weapon runs out of ammo, breaks, or when thier too close and too fast to reload, a mounted bayonet can come in very handy. Thier are some that I realy like, front gips are cool!and helpfull, just don't add hang-on's to it Don't get me wrong I not trying to bash anyone for thier likes or disslikes but I wonder if anyone has tried any field manuvers with these over-accessorized weapons Ok now shoot back, I'm hunkered in waiting for the barrage! |
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What's to "justify"? How many of these waepons will ever see battle? I'm not really crazy about hanging every gadget known to man off my AR, but if I was, I sure wouldn't let anyone's opinion but my own stop me. AT the end of the day, its my rifle and I'm the only guy who has to like it. |
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I think a light would be very useful clearing a building where the enemy may have cut power...if you walk through the door they're gonna know it anyways, might as well have a light to help you out... I surely wouldn't walk through a jungle at night with the thing on... If you are patrolling a road as part of a convoy (they know your there, they can see the vehicles) you might as well have the lights on...it just depends if you want to be stealthy or whatever. |
I've been saying this for five years on this site. People will try to gadget their way to being a better shot. 95% of the accuracy of the rifle is behind the rear sight (the shooter) - the last 5% is possibly the weapon. I love being able to pick up a pistol or rifle sighted for someone else and being able to out shoot them with it.  The best accessory you can buy for your weapon is boxes and crates of ammo and then some gas for your car to get you off the range and out into the enviornment you would have to fight in. I spend hours and hours wandering around the desert during a practice session shooting at 18" square plates at unknown ranges out to a few hundred yards. These are my "perfect" rifles - perfect for me, perfect for my abilities, and perfect for my enviornment.  |
As I said to each his own. I not going slam anyone for what they like or think they need. When I see some of these gadget rifles that are for every thing I say to myself that person has apparently not tried it in any other enviorment than the range. |
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To each his own, at the end of the day. Who here said it? He started out with a 20" A2, did all the sights and M4 mods, and finally ended up with..................... a 20" A2 with iron on top. I like that photo montage of the evolution of the 1911. It started out with a 1911 > 1911A1 > commander > calibers and DA mods and recoil mods and comps > and then ended with a ............................. 5" A1 with higher profile sights. |
Being as I live in the desert, their arnt many weeds to get caught in my rifle accessories. For a SHTF scenario, my m4 will do me no good in the desert. Thats why I have my 6.5 grendel. Any conflicts in the desert are going to be at long ranges. The farther I can shoot at them, (1,200 yards) the better chance I have at survival. My m4 will help out if I make it to a city type enviroment, which would most likly happen, because I am going to go searching for my friends and relatives. 
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I agree with you100 percent especially your second paragraph now when you gonna get a bayonet lug for that 20incher? |
Long range is nice, I shot Camp Perry at 600 yds. with M-14's and iron sights but at 600 yds. the target is about 6'X 6'across I could not tell a person from a tree stump at 600 yds I never shot at an antelope over 350 yds cause I could not make out how good the rack was even with 10X binocs. You better go try shooting at 1200yds it's Very Very far. |
I knew there was something "fishy" about that shark attack last week in Florida. That was you wasn't it? 
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I was reading up on some load development and testing done with a 19 inch grendel. A good shooter was making 900 yard head shots, and the bullet was able to penetrate 4 inches of pine. I've got an extra 9 inches on their setup, which will get me an extra 225 ft/sec of velocity. THey were shooting 120gn nosler bullets. I dont know any of the load data except the bullet type. |
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Most newfangled gadgets and doohickies are ever used in combat. I'd say the most common add-on used would probably be a scope. But for the most part, the standard issue for the average groundpounder nowadays is m16a2/m4a1 with no add-ons. Gadgets are just one extra thing to break in the field. Soldiers use helmet mounted nightvision for the most part now anyways. |
best picture ever |
Go for it and Good luck. I would start a little closer than 1200 at first. I like your set up, what scope is that? |
Millet Buck, 6-24x56. and right now i am just shooting at 100 yards, getting about 1/4 inch groups. I would go out farther but i have been lazy at the range. |
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Add-ons kind of provide AR owners with an opportunity to more fully customize or what I like to refer to as "pimping" their ARs. The bayonet lugs are often left off because of legal issues. If you want a rifle with some melee value I recommend you get a solid stock with that bayo lug, collapsing stocks suck for that. Just get what's comfortable for you is what it comes down to. |
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Ammo is the best accesory you can buy!!! Buy a 1,000 rounds of ammo take 500 and go practice........Keep doing this until you master it, then practice to keep your skills. Learn your weapon!!! They all have quirks. My Colt's shoot a little different than my ArmaLite's Other than ammo, they only thing I recommend people to buy is a Hogue Grip and a PRI Big Latch, and more ammo, You can never have enough ammo |
Oh ya, you got right +1  I would drink one with you, but I can't while on duty!
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| The only "accessory" my rifle has is a single point sling and I am really thinking about taking that off too, and possibly going to a USGI sling. No optics/grips/etc. I thought about putting on a Hogue but the small difference in comfort really isn't worth $20ish. I grab the charging handle with my index finger on the left side and my middle finger on the right side, so I don't need a "tactical" latch. |
it's called the KIS principle Keep It Simple. it works best |
