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6/10/2005 7:39:28 PM EDT
I just tried to re-boot my comp and the following message came up on a black screen:
"Windows could not start because  the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file.



I was re-booting after installing the new BF2 demo.
6/10/2005 7:43:06 PM EDT
[#1]
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6/10/2005 7:44:53 PM EDT
[#2]
the HAL is missing??  oh, it's fubar.  Total fubar.  
6/10/2005 7:45:14 PM EDT
[#3]
What is BF2?
6/10/2005 7:46:25 PM EDT
[#4]
what kind of computer are u using hp dell what... do you have your recovery cds???

did it install a new version of directx or something y did you have to reboot
6/10/2005 7:46:33 PM EDT
[#5]

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What is BF2?



Battlefield 2, a very sweet game that everyone should own
6/10/2005 7:48:26 PM EDT
[#7]

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what kind of computer are u using hp dell what... do you have your recovery cds???

did it install a new version of directx or something y did you have to reboot

Cyberpower custom system.  Running Xp.  Yes, installed a new version of directx
6/10/2005 7:48:35 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

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What is BF2?



Battlefield 2, a very sweet game that everyone should own



Don't install it. If it is the problem, that is bad.

You basically deleted your kernel.
6/10/2005 7:50:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Look here

Did you recently uninstall Norton or similar type tools?
6/10/2005 7:51:38 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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What is BF2?



Battlefield 2, a very sweet game that everyone should own



Don't install it. If it is the problem, that is bad.

You basically deleted your kernel.




Not really.  The HAL is the Hardware Abstraction Layer.  Not the Kernel, but it's pretty damn important!  
6/10/2005 7:52:17 PM EDT
[#11]
yeah you're fucked.   You need to reinstall.
6/10/2005 7:52:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Holy crap, you're missing HAL? You're pretty fooked. I might suggest installing Windows right back over the top of your existing install to replace it. Installed programs should be unaffected for the most part.
6/10/2005 7:54:19 PM EDT
[#13]
You might want to use Knoppix to get your files (note, I have never done it, but I am pretty sure that it does work)
6/10/2005 7:54:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Yeah, basically, the OS cannot talk to any of the devices.  'tis a bad thing.

Since you seem to have another computer, and if it is the same OS, find hal.dll on there, and put it on a CD.  Then use the windows repair to copy it back to your lobotomized computer.  Either that, or take this as sign from God to install Linux.
6/10/2005 7:56:33 PM EDT
[#15]

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Holy crap, you're missing HAL? You're pretty fooked. I might suggest installing Windows right back over the top of your existing install to replace it. Installed programs should be unaffected for the most part.



You mean a repair install?  Boot to the OS CD, at the first menu, choose install, then it should tell you you already have it installed and ask if you want to repair it.  You hit Yes, and it basically reinstalls over itself, and then when it's done, you restart, and you SHOULD be ok.  
6/10/2005 7:57:41 PM EDT
[#16]
6/10/2005 7:58:06 PM EDT
[#17]
+1 on knoppix it works I use it everyday!!!  It works when you have a LAN at your location you can copy files from a unbootable system to a working system just by shareing a folder on the working computer.  and starting samba on the non bootable system..   ill post a page here shortly on doing a recovery bear with me



Quoted:
You might want to use Knoppix to get your files (note, I have never done it, but I am pretty sure that it does work)

6/10/2005 8:00:12 PM EDT
[#18]
link


ctrl f and type: How to Repair Install:
6/10/2005 8:00:22 PM EDT
[#19]
thanks for all the help so far, i'm trying out suggestions now...
6/10/2005 8:06:58 PM EDT
[#20]
Hit F8 during XP boot and try Last Known Good Configuration before trying anything else...

ETA: Oops, I should learn to read, you're not getting that far.  Try booting from the XP CD and try the recovery console.
6/10/2005 8:11:49 PM EDT
[#21]

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Hit F8 during XP boot and try Last Known Good Configuration before trying anything else...

ETA: Oops, I should learn to read, you're not getting that far.  Try booting from the XP CD and try the recovery console.

no go.  also can't boot in safe mode
6/10/2005 8:23:40 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Hit F8 during XP boot and try Last Known Good Configuration before trying anything else...

ETA: Oops, I should learn to read, you're not getting that far.  Try booting from the XP CD and try the recovery console.

no go.  also can't boot in safe mode



You can also do a "parallel" install to a different directory on the HD.  Install to like C:\WIN2.  After installation, it may be possible to repair the original install, assuming it's just that HAL.DLL is missing.  

Let us know how it goes, and good luck.
6/10/2005 8:30:17 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Holy crap, you're missing HAL? You're pretty fooked. I might suggest installing Windows right back over the top of your existing install to replace it. Installed programs should be unaffected for the most part.



You mean a repair install?  Boot to the OS CD, at the first menu, choose install, then it should tell you you already have it installed and ask if you want to repair it.  You hit Yes, and it basically reinstalls over itself, and then when it's done, you restart, and you SHOULD be ok.  

Tried doing that, got a message saying "partition is either too full or damaged" and it only gave me the option to format and fresh install
6/10/2005 8:33:49 PM EDT
[#24]
I've seen this type of thing when a hard drive was failing.  You fix one thing and something else blows chunks.  Cascading failures.  If you want to save your data try popping it into a different machine and copying your data off.
6/10/2005 8:41:19 PM EDT
[#25]
ok, i tried to do a bootcfg /rebuild from the Xp Recovery Console and got the following error:

"Failed to successfully scan diss for windows installations.  This error may be cause by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from successfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detect any disk errors."
6/10/2005 8:53:30 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
+1 on knoppix it works I use it everyday!!!  It works when you have a LAN at your location you can copy files from a unbootable system to a working system just by shareing a folder on the working computer.  and starting samba on the non bootable system..   ill post a page here shortly on doing a recovery bear with me



Quoted:
You might want to use Knoppix to get your files (note, I have never done it, but I am pretty sure that it does work)


got a link for knoppix? short rundown on what to do?  i think i'm running out of options  
6/10/2005 8:55:33 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
ok, i tried to do a bootcfg /rebuild from the Xp Recovery Console and got the following error:

"Failed to successfully scan diss for windows installations.  This error may be cause by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from successfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detect any disk errors."



That's bad.  I'd definitely say the the HD is going tits up.  Was the drive formatted NTFS or FAT32?  If you have an extra drive laying around, install it as master and the other drive as a slave.  If this works and you can boot to XP after the install, you may be able to use Disk Management to access the other drive and get your data off.

Good luck, man!
6/10/2005 8:55:40 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
+1 on knoppix it works I use it everyday!!!  It works when you have a LAN at your location you can copy files from a unbootable system to a working system just by shareing a folder on the working computer.  and starting samba on the non bootable system..   ill post a page here shortly on doing a recovery bear with me



Quoted:
You might want to use Knoppix to get your files (note, I have never done it, but I am pretty sure that it does work)


got a link for knoppix? short rundown on what to do?  i think i'm running out of options  



knoppix is linux?

My friend used to think that linux was the best thing since sliced bread.. "undefeatable".

Until his HD crashed, and lost all his files.

Oh boy.. he never went back to Linux, he now runs 2k.
6/10/2005 8:59:28 PM EDT
[#29]
If knoppix doesn't read it I think you're screwed and it's time to hit the vodka.
6/10/2005 9:06:19 PM EDT
[#30]
anyone think this would work:
copying the the corrupted hal.dll to a floppy on my working machine, then going to my messed up system and booting to the Xp recovery prompt, then A:\copy hal.dll c:\windows\system32
is that the correct command?
6/10/2005 9:14:06 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
anyone think this would work:
copying the the corrupted hal.dll to a floppy on my working machine, then going to my messed up system and booting to the Xp recovery prompt, then A:\copy hal.dll c:\windows\system32
is that the correct command?



Never tried it, but it sounds too easy.  Honestly, with the other errors that you have received, I don't think the actual DLL is corrupt or missing.  More likely, the file system is hosed, and there's a missing pointer to that file.

I'm not a Linux guy, but the Knoppix solution sounds good, or installing a second HD and switch the boot order, reinstall and see if you can access the original drive that way.
6/10/2005 9:19:32 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

I'm not a Linux guy, but the Knoppix solution sounds good, or installing a second HD and switch the boot order, reinstall and see if you can access the original drive that way.

I know absolutely nothing about linux, so if someone could give me a quick rundown on what knoppix does/how to use it i would appreciate it.
6/10/2005 9:25:17 PM EDT
[#33]
It's worth a shot to try the copy.  if you disk is not going out on you it may work if the OS versions are close enough.  You, unfortunately, have nothing to lose.
6/10/2005 9:31:44 PM EDT
[#34]
he has to pick the correct HAL.DLL

there are 4 or 5 hal files (named differently on the CD) that he has to find the right one, copy it to %windir\system32% and and rename it HAL.DLL
6/10/2005 9:41:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Knoppix is a live CD Linux operating system. Yes, the OS is on a CD. You need to download it (google it) and burn it to a cd as a Hard Disk image. Then you need to set the Bios to boot from your cd drive. It should start the OS and give you a pretty GUI. Then find your C drive and see if you can see the files.
6/10/2005 9:42:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Have you tried running chkdsk /f /r yet from the recovery console? then once it is done run a fixboot or bootcfg.
6/10/2005 9:56:35 PM EDT
[#37]
You never answered what the file system was...  If it is FAT32, you can boot the machine with a Windows 95 or 98 startup diskette (if you have one), then see if you can access the HD.

I also found a couple of references that state this can happen if the Boot.INI is damaged.  You can create a boot diskette that mimics the correct config for your HD in case this is the problem.  It may be worth a try.

You would need to create this from another XP machine.  Here's a link:

support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;305595
6/11/2005 7:13:31 AM EDT
[#38]
knoppix    its a ISO image so you will need a cdrw drive, and you will have to have some type of software that will write an iso image .. i use Nero.  there are others available Roxio would be the other popular one.  its about a 650MB file.. Knoppix is a whole operationing sytem on a cd .  You can surf the web, check email, write papers, play basic games built on the cd.  it dsl cable ready meanign if your computer is hooked up to a router it will load the driver for your network card on start and connect you to the internet on startup.  if you don't have a router more configuraion is required.  
Knoppix will read NTFS, FAT, Fat32  and many other.  
like posted before you MUST change your bios to boot from a cd first.  I change it too cd first floppy second harddrive last.   best config IMO....  burn the ISO image to the cd.  leave the cd in the drive of the busted up system and reboot it.  it will display the bios screen then should boot off the cdrom.  it will display a knoppix starup screen, just press enter and it will do the rest.  it will talk a couple minutes to load..   you must understand its load ton of info from the cdrom.  the hd is not being used.  BTW the more ram you have on the system the better it will perform.  it load the OS into your physical RAM.  instead of using your HD..  
Tell me about your network setup at your location what kind of internet, do you have router, switch or what.  and i need to know the operation systems of you comptuers.  
well go from there unless you've given up
6/11/2005 7:40:19 AM EDT
[#39]
I'm off on the weekends and I'm not on call, so I can't help you.  Sorry.  
6/11/2005 7:47:58 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
You never answered what the file system was...  If it is FAT32, you can boot the machine with a Windows 95 or 98 startup diskette (if you have one), then see if you can access the HD.

I also found a couple of references that state this can happen if the Boot.INI is damaged.  You can create a boot diskette that mimics the correct config for your HD in case this is the problem.  It may be worth a try.

You would need to create this from another XP machine.  Here's a link:

support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;305595



I am assuming because its a newer system.. that its a NTFS.
6/11/2005 8:10:59 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Have you tried running chkdsk /f /r yet from the recovery console? then once it is done run a fixboot or bootcfg.

yup, also a no go
6/11/2005 8:11:46 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
You never answered what the file system was...  If it is FAT32, you can boot the machine with a Windows 95 or 98 startup diskette (if you have one), then see if you can access the HD.

I also found a couple of references that state this can happen if the Boot.INI is damaged.  You can create a boot diskette that mimics the correct config for your HD in case this is the problem.  It may be worth a try.

You would need to create this from another XP machine.  Here's a link:

support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;305595

NTFS
6/11/2005 8:14:57 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
knoppix    its a ISO image so you will need a cdrw drive, and you will have to have some type of software that will write an iso image .. i use Nero.  there are others available Roxio would be the other popular one.  its about a 650MB file.. Knoppix is a whole operationing sytem on a cd .  You can surf the web, check email, write papers, play basic games built on the cd.  it dsl cable ready meanign if your computer is hooked up to a router it will load the driver for your network card on start and connect you to the internet on startup.  if you don't have a router more configuraion is required.  
Knoppix will read NTFS, FAT, Fat32  and many other.  
like posted before you MUST change your bios to boot from a cd first.  I change it too cd first floppy second harddrive last.   best config IMO....  burn the ISO image to the cd.  leave the cd in the drive of the busted up system and reboot it.  it will display the bios screen then should boot off the cdrom.  it will display a knoppix starup screen, just press enter and it will do the rest.  it will talk a couple minutes to load..   you must understand its load ton of info from the cdrom.  the hd is not being used.  BTW the more ram you have on the system the better it will perform.  it load the OS into your physical RAM.  instead of using your HD..  
Tell me about your network setup at your location what kind of internet, do you have router, switch or what.  and i need to know the operation systems of you comptuers.  
well go from there unless you've given up

thanks for the info.
i'm going to try and just copy the file from a floppy 1st (but i have to go pick up some floppies b/c it turns out i don't have any here )
If that doesn't work, i'm going to try and slave my HD to my working system and fix it htat way.
If that doesn't work, i'll try the knoppix thing.
If that doesn't work, i'm taking my comp. out to the range.
6/11/2005 9:32:17 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
anyone think this would work:
copying the the corrupted hal.dll to a floppy on my working machine, then going to my messed up system and booting to the Xp recovery prompt, then A:\copy hal.dll c:\windows\system32

K, tried that and got the following message:
"Access is denied"
6/11/2005 9:36:03 AM EDT
[#45]
you can't copy files from a floppy to a ntfs hardrive.. its read only

you'd have to buy a program what will make it readable :link
 ive not had much luck with it.  

did you try the restore i posted about?  booting of the cd.  act like your going to install windows.  if it detects your install of windows press R and it will reinstall the system files
6/11/2005 9:38:14 AM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
you can't copy files from a floppy to a ntfs hardrive.. its read only

you'd have to buy a program what will make it readable :link
 ive not had much luck with it.  

did you try the restore i posted about?  booting of the cd.  act like your going to install windows.  if it detects your install of windows press R and it will reinstall the system files

roger.
tried the steps you said, it did not give me the option of reinstalling, only a fresh install with format
6/11/2005 9:47:27 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
knoppix    its a ISO image so you will need a cdrw drive, and you will have to have some type of software that will write an iso image .. i use Nero.  there are others available Roxio would be the other popular one.  its about a 650MB file.. Knoppix is a whole operationing sytem on a cd .  You can surf the web, check email, write papers, play basic games built on the cd.  it dsl cable ready meanign if your computer is hooked up to a router it will load the driver for your network card on start and connect you to the internet on startup.  if you don't have a router more configuraion is required.  
Knoppix will read NTFS, FAT, Fat32  and many other.  
like posted before you MUST change your bios to boot from a cd first.  I change it too cd first floppy second harddrive last.   best config IMO....  burn the ISO image to the cd.  leave the cd in the drive of the busted up system and reboot it.  it will display the bios screen then should boot off the cdrom.  it will display a knoppix starup screen, just press enter and it will do the rest.  it will talk a couple minutes to load..   you must understand its load ton of info from the cdrom.  the hd is not being used.  BTW the more ram you have on the system the better it will perform.  it load the OS into your physical RAM.  instead of using your HD..  
Tell me about your network setup at your location what kind of internet, do you have router, switch or what.  and i need to know the operation systems of you comptuers.  


Xp, AMD Athlon, 1GB RAM, on a Linksys BEFSR41 (but i think i'm using it as a Hub instead of a router)

Computer i'm on now is also running Xp, hp pavilion 554e
6/11/2005 9:52:44 AM EDT
[#48]

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tried the steps you said, it did not give me the option of reinstalling, only a fresh install with format



support.microsoft.com/kb/315341/

INTRODUCTION
This article describes how to perform an in-place upgrade, or reinstallation, of Microsoft Windows XP. This is also named a repair installation. It reinstalls Windows XP to the same folder. You may want to perform an in-place upgrade if your installation of Windows XP must be repaired. Such a repair installation may be required if one of the following conditions is true:
• You cannot start Windows XP in Safe Mode.

For additional information about how to start your Windows XP-based computer in Safe Mode, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
315222 A Description of the Safe Mode Boot Options in Windows XP
• The problem is caused by a recently installed Microsoft software update, and you cannot solve the problem in any other way.
• There is a registry problem that cannot be solved by using other tools such as System Restore.
• You must apply default (file and registry) permissions to your Windows XP installation.
• You must register Component Object Model (COM) components and Windows File Protection (WFP) files.
• You must use the Windows Setup program to enumerate Plug and Play devices again, including the hardware abstraction layer (HAL).
To reinstall Windows XP, use the appropriate method in the "More information" section.
6/11/2005 10:04:33 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
tried the steps you said, it did not give me the option of reinstalling, only a fresh install with format



support.microsoft.com/kb/315341/

INTRODUCTION
This article describes how to perform an in-place upgrade, or reinstallation, of Microsoft Windows XP. This is also named a repair installation. It reinstalls Windows XP to the same folder. You may want to perform an in-place upgrade if your installation of Windows XP must be repaired. Such a repair installation may be required if one of the following conditions is true:
• You cannot start Windows XP in Safe Mode.

For additional information about how to start your Windows XP-based computer in Safe Mode, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
315222 A Description of the Safe Mode Boot Options in Windows XP
• The problem is caused by a recently installed Microsoft software update, and you cannot solve the problem in any other way.
• There is a registry problem that cannot be solved by using other tools such as System Restore.
• You must apply default (file and registry) permissions to your Windows XP installation.
• You must register Component Object Model (COM) components and Windows File Protection (WFP) files.
• You must use the Windows Setup program to enumerate Plug and Play devices again, including the hardware abstraction layer (HAL).
To reinstall Windows XP, use the appropriate method in the "More information" section.

already tried those steps, doesn't work
It does not give me the option to repair, only to format and fresh install.
6/11/2005 10:15:42 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
tried the steps you said, it did not give me the option of reinstalling, only a fresh install with format



support.microsoft.com/kb/315341/

INTRODUCTION
This article describes how to perform an in-place upgrade, or reinstallation, of Microsoft Windows XP. This is also named a repair installation. It reinstalls Windows XP to the same folder. You may want to perform an in-place upgrade if your installation of Windows XP must be repaired. Such a repair installation may be required if one of the following conditions is true:
• You cannot start Windows XP in Safe Mode.

For additional information about how to start your Windows XP-based computer in Safe Mode, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
315222 A Description of the Safe Mode Boot Options in Windows XP
• The problem is caused by a recently installed Microsoft software update, and you cannot solve the problem in any other way.
• There is a registry problem that cannot be solved by using other tools such as System Restore.
• You must apply default (file and registry) permissions to your Windows XP installation.
• You must register Component Object Model (COM) components and Windows File Protection (WFP) files.
• You must use the Windows Setup program to enumerate Plug and Play devices again, including the hardware abstraction layer (HAL).
To reinstall Windows XP, use the appropriate method in the "More information" section.

already tried those steps, doesn't work
It does not give me the option to repair, only to format and fresh install.

after the licensing agreementpageit gives me this:
"The following lists shows the existing partitions and unpartioned space on this computer.
Use the keys to select an item in the list.
- To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press ENTER.
-To create a partition inthe unpartioned space, press C.
-To delete the slected partition, press D.

58644MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on atapi [MBR]
C: Partition1 (unknown)    58636 MB ( 58635 MB free)
 Unpartitioned space            8MB

"
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