[ARCHIVED THREAD] - No Carry At Local Gun Show (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/28/2005 7:31:47 PM EDT
| Am I being a stubborn ass for asking for and getting a refund (3 tickets) and walking out of a gun show with my family because they asked me if I was carrying (I have a permit and carry everywhere that's legal) and then proceeded to ask me to unload my Seecamp and leave the mag at the desk. At a gun show?! Correct me if I am wrong but that does not seem right to me. Does it to you? |
I have to agree. I have been to two gunshows were people got shot because of stupidity. Doesn't bother me that everyone is unloaded. |
| While YOU may have the handling ability, someone else will not. Liability insurance makes that posting a requirement and if the carrier refuses coverage, no shows as venues will not accept the liability. I don't like it but I understand it, you ever really look at some of the winners at gun shows? |
Whoa there, USMC88-93. I said stubborn ass, not dumb ass.  While I agree that there are plenty of ignorant people everywhere, if you have jumped through all the hoops to get a permit to carry, I believe it should be honored, especially at a gun show. I don't know, maybe I am a dumb ass. Take care.
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We just had an ND at the local show here a few weeks ago. Someone got a trip to the hospital for someone else's negligence. All the dealers are supposed to verify that all the firearms are unloaded. No offense, but incidents like that make all gun owners look like idiots, and if it can happen with a dealer, then it can happen with a guest. |
But it's much more likely to happen with a dealer as their guns are going to be handled, it's up to the dealer and then the individual to check the firearm first, there is no excuse for these incidents. If you are carrying concealed you have about a zero chance of something happening when that gun is in a holster. |
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Unfortunately, many CCW holders feel that they are just fine at handling THEIR CCW pistol, and will whip it out to show someone or to try out a holster or other accessory. This leads to many NDs, and is the main reason why this rule is virtually universal at gun shows. -Troy |
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I do not have a problem with the no CCW policy at gunshows. I see a lot of poor gun handling, including lingering muzzle sweeps. I want to minimize the possibility that Billy's 357 revolver he's pointing at everyone might be his carry piece he's showing off. As far as feeling the need to defend myself at a gun show should someone start shooting, I think I could find a firearm and compatible ammunition in a matter of seconds. |
Thanks Troy. I truly do understand that and agree. The only times I pull out my holstered and concealed Seecamp is at home to blow out the pocket lint but God forbid, if and when that one remote but dire and extreme emergency comes up, even at a gun show, I don't want to be without the protection, especially with my wife and son with me. God bless. |
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wow with some of your responses we might as well make all handguns illegal right now. because any place you are someone could potentially discharge there firearm or have an accident happen. These people passed the same tests you did to receive yours. you are NO better then they are. good thing WI doesn't have concealed carry I thought AFCOMers had backbones?  Law says it must stay concealed. How is walking into a building that has guns ANY different then a gun store? walmart? friends home? a car? city bus? taxi cab? |
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I help run a gunshow, and I can tell you from direct, personal observation that some people attending the show make me a little nervous by their mis-handling of firearms. The guns on a dealer's table are unloaded and are impossible to discharge until loaded, (Yes, I have seen that, too. Fortunately, I got to the guy before anything happened). However John Q. Public's carry piece is most definitely loaded, and that presents a problem if he pulls it out to show it to his buddy. Amazingly enough, some CCW people are a mite rusty at safely unloading their pistol when in a crowded building, and not on the range. Worse than that is if John Q. hands his pistol, minus mag but with a round in the chamber, to his buddy. (Yep, you guessed it, I've seen that, too). Now John Q.'s buddy thinks this unfamiliar pistol is unloaded, and of course the first thing he does is look down the sights and squeeze the trigger. By observation, the people who would stop and clear the pistol under the circumstances I just described are in the minority. Not good. If this was a perfect world, and we could be sure of perfect firearms handling, I'd have no prob with folks carrying firearms into the show, concealed or not. Problem is, we don't, and we are forced to inconveniance the competent on account of the incompetent. One last thing. I don't ever want to hand the Antis a story that they can use against us. "Shooting Death At Local Gunshow" is a headline I never want to see. For a whole lot of reasons. |
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The fact that one has a CCW permit does not mean that person has any training what-so-ever. My CCW class was a three hour course that involved no shooting or firearm handling at all. I "requalify" every year by handing the nice lady a check for ten dollars. That is just fine with me, but it does not mean every CCW holder is an experienced or safe person. Every year you read of some ass who shoots up a gun show because he wanted to see if a new holster was going to fit his carry piece. I see a lot of guys doing open carry at the gunshows with an empty gun. That is cool. Lots of times you need to have your pistol there if you are looking for parts or accessories. With all the security there and the large milling crowd, you don't need a loaded weapon. Leave the mag and ammo in the car. Is that so hard? |
| The policy probably has its roots in the number of negligent discharges that occur at gun shows where "I know what I'm doing" dillweeds have an ND while showboating for someone. Gun shows need insurance and insurance carries get fed up with NDs at gun shows and begin demanding such policies. Unfortunately we have to live with the legacy of negligent acts of others in similar venues. |
That is one possible approach. People are not going to be frisked. However. some of them wear "gunslinger" vests that scream out "I'm carrying", and a good many weapons "print", much to the embarassment of the person carrying. Be that as it may, you're not going to be physically searched. I've caught some people lying. Although I try not to embarass them, they plainly are, though. I just deactivate their gun and pass them through. Not the end of the world. However, If I catch someone who has lied their way past the entrance, and they're stupid enough to be caught, then they're ejected. For lying and stupidity, take your pick. Someday, if we get enough liars, we may be forced to rent a metal detector, and raise the table fees and entry charges to cover the cost. Won't that be nice? |
If they print, they're not doing a good job at carrying concealed. And the vests are immaterial...if someone carried to the show and left their gun in the car, they'd still be wearing the same clothes, wouldn't they? |
He ain't in TN, he's in PA. Here in FL, you most certainly don't go to jail, though you'd likely get kicked out of the show. But getting caught would require much in the way of stupidity on the part of the carrier. |
| Look around at a gun show, look at some of the people walking around, then think about those same people with an loaded gun on thier belt, or in thier hands, I don't care if they have a CCW or not, the thought of it should scare you, some folks shouldn't have been allowed to buy a ticket to the show let alone a gun. |
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Here in GA, anyone can get a CCL. No training, just fill out the paperwork, get fingerprinted, and wait. You wouldn't believe some of the people that actually have a permit. However, this doesn't matter as gunshows are considered "public gatherings" and carrying a gun at one is illegal. |
| Last show I went to I lamented over wether or not to surrender my weapon for inspection. Then I saw the table just inside the door where the were checking/secureing all weapons, THEY HAD A KID WHO COULDN'T HAVE BEEN OVER 15, TOTAL FAT ASS PUNK, CHECKING WEAPONS! I thought "ummm, NO!". Looked like an accident waiting to happen! I've been trained in weapons by the US government, and taken several class/schools on weapons, I doubt he has. So I just walked on by, funny how the $ taker asked the guy in front of me in a brisk voice "You got any weapons on you today?", then he said nothing to me, so I was like "well,,,,,,, he didn't ask, so good to go." |
Let me guess, you are the only one qualified to own and carry a gun  . With a statement like that you must be a regular over at the DU .
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