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5/19/2005 6:24:07 AM EDT
.....if I want to buy a pair of night vision goggles to walk around in the dark with at night?

Most I could afford is a $600 pair of ATN Cougar Gen 1+ NVGs, can't swing the 1,600+ for Gen 2, much less the 3K+ for Gen 3
5/19/2005 6:27:12 AM EDT
[#1]
I think it would make you a keyboard kommando if you were to expouse certain tactical mandates relative to low light situations.  

Like; "You're a pussy if you don't have a pair of Gen 1 NVG's next to your bed."  Or; "C'mon over to my house and I'll throw on my Gen 1 NVG's and take your ass out on the front lawn.  I OWN THE NIGHT BITCH!"

Something along those lines.
5/19/2005 6:28:21 AM EDT
[#2]
After a rifle and ammo I think they are an excellent purchase.  I thought they were a luxury until the power outages after the hurricanes last year.  They are no longer optional equip for me.
5/19/2005 6:30:24 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I think it would make you a keyboard kommando if you were to expouse certain tactical mandates relative to low light situations.  

Like; "You're a pussy if you don't have a pair of Gen 1 NVG's next to your bed."  Or; "C'mon over to my house and I'll throw on my Gen 1 NVG's and take your ass out on the front lawn.  I OWN THE NIGHT BITCH!"

Something along those lines.



Sounds like I'm in the clear then
5/19/2005 6:33:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Don't waste your money on Gen1.

...You have been warned.
5/19/2005 6:34:21 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Don't waste your money on Gen1.

...You have been warned.



That's what I've heard.....

Is it really worth saving the extra 1K to go to Gen 2? I'm curious.....
5/19/2005 6:41:10 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Don't waste your money on Gen1.

...You have been warned.



That's what I've heard.....

Is it really worth saving the extra 1K to go to Gen 2? I'm curious.....



it' just like buying a flash lights.  
gen 1  5.00 flash light  minimag  a few feet and not much ill.
gen 2  20.00 flash light  5 dcell maglight  50 yds
gen 3  60.00 flash lihgt  Surefire 100 yds.

5/19/2005 6:42:32 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Don't waste your money on Gen1.

...You have been warned.



That's what I've heard.....

Is it really worth saving the extra 1K to go to Gen 2? I'm curious.....



it' just like buying a flash lights.  
gen 1  5.00 flash light  minimag  a few feet and not much ill.
gen 2  20.00 flash light  5 dcell maglight  50 yds
gen 3  60.00 flash lihgt  Surefire 100 yds.




Good analogy.  I have used Gen 2 and without an IR-lens-equipped flashlight you are limited, as well.  When I get ready for NVG's, I'm going to save my money and get a set of PVS-7's.
5/19/2005 6:43:49 AM EDT
[#8]
Gen 1s?  Try not to trip while walking around in the dark...
5/19/2005 6:53:19 AM EDT
[#9]
$600 will buy a good amount of ammo and practice time.  YMMV
5/19/2005 6:55:30 AM EDT
[#10]
Damn guys, not all of us can afford to drop 3K on a gadget. I'd be lucky enough to get Gen 2, and even then it sounds like it's not worth it....
5/19/2005 8:32:17 AM EDT
[#11]

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Damn guys, not all of us can afford to drop 3K on a gadget. I'd be lucky enough to get Gen 2, and even then it sounds like it's not worth it....



The thing you have to ask yourself is whether or not you want to drop $500-$1k on something that doesn't work very well (I've had gen1/2).  That's sillier (IMHO) than spending $3k on something that does work very well.
5/19/2005 8:59:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Even Gen 2 is junk?
5/19/2005 10:27:37 AM EDT
[#13]

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Even Gen 2 is junk?



It depends.  The ATN "patriot" monocular I had was Gen2, and it was pretty useless without some good illumination.  A not insignificant part of the problem was that the optics sucked.
5/19/2005 10:31:05 AM EDT
[#14]
You're a pussy if you don't have a pair of Gen 1 NVG's next to your bed, C'mon over to my house and I'll throw on my Gen 1 NVG's and take your ass out on the front lawn. I OWN THE NIGHT BITCH!
5/19/2005 11:08:17 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Even Gen 2 is junk?



It depends.  The ATN "patriot" monocular I had was Gen2, and it was pretty useless without some good illumination.  A not insignificant part of the problem was that the optics sucked.



ATN was one company I was looking at for NVGs....guess I can scratch them off the list
5/19/2005 11:22:05 AM EDT
[#16]
Anything that involves getting off your ass and actually trying something out excludes you from being a keyboard commando. Reading the posts of others and posting theory as knowledge makes you a keyboard commando.

For example, I have never tried any NVGs and if I were to advise you to not get Gen 1 goggles, that would make me a keyboard commando.
5/19/2005 12:15:31 PM EDT
[#17]
as much as people don't wanna hear it gen 3 reallly is they way to go.

and even then, i was dissapointed in mine after i started using a thermal sight.

but for about 99% of what people want to do gen 3 is where its at. Of course, gen 3 with crappy optics sucks, so its one of those things where you really do need to do the research before you drop the dimes for it.
5/19/2005 12:26:18 PM EDT
[#18]

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as much as people don't wanna hear it gen 3 reallly is they way to go.



Yeah, I couldn't believe the difference even with a pair of early gen3 7C's.  



and even then, i was dissapointed in mine after i started using a thermal sight.



Now that's what I don't want to hear!  


but for about 99% of what people want to do gen 3 is where its at. Of course, gen 3 with crappy optics sucks, so its one of those things where you really do need to do the research before you drop the dimes for it.


Yeah, based on my gen2 experience, I would stay away from ATN in any form.  
5/20/2005 10:27:48 AM EDT
[#19]
Anyone want to buy a slightly used kidney of mine so I can afford Gen 3?
5/20/2005 10:33:00 AM EDT
[#20]
Relax Roboman...

there nothing you could post that would make you any more of a keyboard commando than you already are.
(ok... what am I gonna type for this post, so he doesn't know I think he already is one... aw shit... I'm thinking out loud... AGAIN.)
j/k

Quality NVG is a good investment.  
5/20/2005 10:35:36 AM EDT
[#21]
Chairborne Rangers of the world, unite!
5/20/2005 10:37:10 AM EDT
[#22]

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Chairborne Rangers of the world, unite!



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