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Posted: 3/23/2005 11:03:47 AM EDT

Red Lake, Minnesota Shooting [On Gun Control]

By Michelle Malsbury

"Not since Columbine have we seen such horror in a school. A young teen on a reservation in Red Lake, Minnesota went on a shooting rampage yesterday. He killed his grandparents first and then went to school where he walked into his classroom shooting the teacher and several other students before shooting himself. According to www.cnnnews.com the shooters grandfather was a veteran from their local police force and it was his service weapon that the young man used in his killing spree. Before it was all said and done he has shot and killed 10 people and injured 13 more.

Many of you may not be aware that we used to have an assault weapons ban that expired in September of 2004. Clinton signed this into law in 1994 and many associations have noted it’s success with dramatic declines in violent gun crimes. As a matter of fact, according to the Brady Center there was a 66% decline under the ban for crimes that could be traced back to the use of assault weapons. (www.csmonitor.com) Could this tragedy have been prevented with the extension of the assault weapons ban? "

clipped from From Useless-knowledge.com

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/mar/article320.html

oh yeah you can send your opinions to her email address she left in the artical.

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:04:51 AM EDT

[#1]

I seriously thought that was going to be another Terry Schiavo thread.

Was I the only one?

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:05:42 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I seriously thought that was going to be another Terry Schiavo thread.

Was I the only one?

No.

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:06:06 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
I seriously thought that was going to be another Terry Schiavo thread.

Was I the only one?

+1 (it had been 5 minutes, we were due)

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:06:23 AM EDT

[#4]

More on-topic -

WTF is wrong with the person that wrote the article???

Did they miss the part about him taking the weapon from his Law Enforcement grandfather??? How would ANY Assault weapon ban, or even NFA laws protect against that??

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:07:33 AM EDT

[#5]

I think its interesting how they always claim the AWB was responsible for a 66% (exactly 66% mind you) drop in aw related crime.

Where does that 66% come from and why is it an exact 2/3? Why not 67% or 65%? Something tells me the numbers here are really low...

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:09:17 AM EDT

[#6]

I just heard some chick call in to TOTN on NPR, asking about his access to guns, then said something about why werent there metal detectors, they promptly told her there were.
I wasnt 100% listening to it so I missed what the said about it being his grandfather/cop's gun and not a gun that he happened to just have access to.

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:10:45 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
More on-topic -

WTF is wrong with the person that wrote the article???

Did they miss the part about him taking the weapon from his Law Enforcement grandfather??? How would ANY Assault weapon ban, or even NFA laws protect against that??

He didn't use an assault weapon, he used 2 pistols and a shotgun.
WTF does an AWB have to do with this????????

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:16:10 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
More on-topic -

WTF is wrong with the person that wrote the article???

Did they miss the part about him taking the weapon from his Law Enforcement grandfather??? How would ANY Assault weapon ban, or even NFA laws protect against that??

He didn't use an assault weapon, he used 2 pistols and a shotgun.
WTF does an AWB have to do with this????????

I know - it's as if these kinds of stories are just written by someone off the top of their head, with zero actual investigation or fact-checking.

Either that - or deliberate lying.

Both are depressing

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:17:17 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
More on-topic -

WTF is wrong with the person that wrote the article???

Did they miss the part about him taking the weapon from his Law Enforcement grandfather??? How would ANY Assault weapon ban, or even NFA laws protect against that??

He didn't use an assault weapon, he used 2 pistols and a shotgun.
WTF does an AWB have to do with this????????

That he stole from his grandfather, a local police officer (IIRC), after he killed him. So. They want to enact laws that take guns away from police?

Stupid people, I swear.

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:25:01 AM EDT

[#10]

Does anyone really even read that website? Is it even worth a response? Talk about stupid.

Posted: 3/23/2005 11:52:12 AM EDT

[#11]

Ok, I was thinking about sending this email, what do you think...

I read your article about the school shooting in MN. It seems that you need to do a little more fact checking.

I don't know if you realize this or not, but the so called Assault Weapons Ban had nothing to do with the type of weapon used in this crime. In other words, even if the AWB hadn't expired last year, it would NOT have prevented this. The weapons used would have been 100% legal, ban or not.

The AWB was nothing more than "feel good" legislation anyway. It did nothing more than cause manufacturers make minor cosmetic changes to their rifles in order to comply with the law. These minor cosmetic changes in no way affected their lethality. So, any reduction in the violent crime during that period would have had nothing to do with the AWB. Not to mention that Columbine happened while the AWB was in place and the weapons used in that case had much more similarity to the weapons banned with the AWB than the weapons used in this most recent school shooting. Obviously, the AWB did nothing to stop that.

Another example would be the DC sniper shootings. They happened while the AWB was still in place. The rifle used in those shootings was the exact type of rifle that the AWB targeted, only it was legal because it complied with the minor cosmetic changes that needed to be made in order to make it legal. The AWB did not stop those shootings either. I could think of a lot more examples, but based on those two alone I think it's clear that any reduction in violent crime during the last ten years had nothing to do with the AWB.

I don't know if you've even read the text of the AWB, but I have. You'd be surprised at the rediculousness of it. It just goes to show you that the politicians who write these laws have no idea what they are talking about and only end up restricting law abiding citizens' rights.

I also wouldn't trust a thing the Brady Campaign tells you about guns and gun violence. They have proven time and again that they know as much about guns as a 2 year old knows about nuclear physics.

Posted: 3/23/2005 12:26:42 PM EDT

[#12]

e-mail sent

Michelle,
I just read your editorial found at http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/mar/article320.html and titled: Red Lake, Minnesota Shooting [On Gun Control].

Your correlation between this shooting and the expiration of THE VIOLENT CRIME CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 1994, also known as the "Assault Weapon Ban," is without merit. It is akin to wondering if antilock brakes on planes will have prevented the September 11th disasters.

Jeff Weise did not use a so-called "assault weapon" to commit these murders. He used a handgun and a shotgun neither of which were prohibited under the 1994 ban.

In addition, Jeff Weise acquired the weapons he used to commit murder from his grandfather Daryl "Dash" Lussier, a sergeant in the Red Lake police department. Law Enforcement Officers were exempt from ALL of the provisions of the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban. In addition, all other legislation that was offered to renew the 1994 ban offered the same exemption for Law Enforcement Officers. Therefore, renewed or not, the 1994 ban would have had zero effect on the weapons available to Daryl Lussier, and in turn, Jeff Weise.

Michelle, having a working knowledge of facts is essential to making a logical conclusion in any situation. The internet is your friend, and google.com is a free service. I suggest you use them before you write your next editorial so that you may avoid such logical fallacies in the future.

Respectfully submitted,
txgp17
Kernersville, NC

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:01:05 PM EDT

[#13]

Hey! She actually replied!

Hello txgp17. Thanks for your thoughts. I am aware that the gun used in this shooting was not an assault rifle. That said, I would like to see the AWB extended indefinitely and then we should work towards banning ALL weapons because perhaps then we may see those innocent numbers of deaths truly decline.

Have a nice day!
Michelle

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:06:30 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Hey! She actually replied!
Hello txgp17. Thanks for your thoughts. I am aware that the gun used in this shooting was not an assault rifle. That said, I would like to see the AWB extended indefinitely and then we should work towards banning ALL weapons because perhaps then we may see those innocent numbers of deaths truly decline.

Have a nice day!
Michelle

What a maroon! Obviously hasn't a fucking clue about how things work in the REAL WORLD.

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:09:06 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Hey! She actually replied!
Hello txgp17. Thanks for your thoughts. I am aware that the gun used in this shooting was not an assault rifle. That said, I would like to see the AWB extended indefinitely and then we should work towards banning ALL weapons because perhaps then we may see those innocent numbers of deaths truly decline.

Have a nice day!
Michelle

What a maroon! Obviously hasn't a fucking clue about how things work in the REAL WORLD.

Yep. Translation:

"I know that I was wrong in my editorial, but I'm still correct in my beliefs because they make me feel good, and I'm a socialist bitch that Can't Understand Normal Thinking."

Easy enough.

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:24:51 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I seriously thought that was going to be another Terry Schiavo thread.

Was I the only one?

Nope...

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:25:35 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Hey! She actually replied!
Hello txgp17. Thanks for your thoughts. I am aware that the gun used in this shooting was not an assault rifle. That said, I would like to see the AWB extended indefinitely and then we should work towards banning ALL weapons because perhaps then we may see those innocent numbers of deaths truly decline.

Have a nice day!
Michelle

All weapons. Not all guns, all weapons.

Everything is a weapon, so ban everything? Even Jello could be used to choke someone to death.

Jim

Posted: 3/24/2005 2:26:35 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I seriously thought that was going to be another Terry Schiavo thread.

Was I the only one?

Like others said
Nope.

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