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3/17/2005 8:26:05 PM EDT
can it be done.

how far could a bullet go...?
3/17/2005 8:27:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Forever.
Until it is captured by the gravitational forces of Uranus.
3/17/2005 8:48:13 PM EDT
[#2]
b'dum  pshh!




half serious,
shoot in space...
would you fly off in the opposite direction?
would it make a sound?
would I be asking if I wasn't bored?
3/17/2005 8:52:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Yes you would move in the opposite direction,
but not as fast as the bullet.

There would be no sound.
In space, noone can hear you scream.
3/17/2005 8:55:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Them thar rifles shoot reel flat in space!
3/17/2005 8:55:43 PM EDT
[#5]
In Space, No one can hear you Bump.
3/17/2005 8:58:33 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
In Space, No one can hear you Bump.



What about farting?
3/17/2005 9:00:05 PM EDT
[#7]
perhaps there will be an AR on the next moon landing?
3/17/2005 9:00:15 PM EDT
[#8]
Hot damn!  Just last week I was thinking it's been a while since we ran down this rabbit trail.  Glad to see the ol' topic back!  

3/17/2005 9:02:31 PM EDT
[#9]
Sure you can, just ask any former Space Shuttle door gunner.
3/17/2005 9:02:53 PM EDT
[#10]
What about aquabumping in space?
3/17/2005 9:09:45 PM EDT
[#11]
If I remember correctly, the momentum will be the same in both directions when the bullet and you push apart.

If we neglect any rocket affect from the gasses, and just consider the bullet, then:

M_bullet * V_bullet = M_human * V_human

Let's take a 150 grain .308 at 2800 fps.  7000 grains per pound.  Let's say you weigh 150 pounds.

M_bullet  = 150 grains = 0.021428571 pounds

V_bullet = 2800 fps

M_human = 150 pounds

V_human = ( M_bullet * V_bullet ) / M_human = 0.4 feet per second.

Better have a 20mm chain gun if you want to get moving fast.
3/17/2005 9:11:07 PM EDT
[#12]
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.
3/17/2005 9:11:48 PM EDT
[#13]
Should I ask Lumpy what kind of gun Boba used in ESB?

3/17/2005 9:12:57 PM EDT
[#14]
I believe I explained that more succintly, but its ok.
I like math.

3/17/2005 9:15:25 PM EDT
[#15]
This thread won't be complete until it devolves into an argument about orbital ballistics.  
3/17/2005 9:17:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Couldn't fire a conventional firearm in space.

You'd need to engineer something that was fired anaerobically like some sort of chemical reaction.

No oxygen, no ignition of gun powder.
3/17/2005 9:17:32 PM EDT
[#17]
Mmmm... Orbital ballistics...


3/17/2005 9:18:15 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



I thought it was self sustaining. Doesn't black powder create oxygen as it reacts.
3/17/2005 9:21:22 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



Don't you read the American Rifleman?

There was an ask the experts article in there once where someone asked if guns would work in space.  The answer is yes.  Gunpowder contains the oxygen needed for the reaction in a vacuum.
3/17/2005 9:23:26 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



I thought it was self sustaining. Doesn't black powder create oxygen as it reacts.



it's self-sustaining. the saltpeter in black power is a nitrate, which contains oxygen.
3/17/2005 9:24:05 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Couldn't fire a conventional firearm in space.

You'd need to engineer something that was fired anaerobically like some sort of chemical reaction.

No oxygen, no ignition of gun powder.



I saw that one coming a mile away!  So how does atmospheric oxygen support combustion inside a cartridge?  It doesn't.  Gunpowder has all it needs to burn right there in its chemical composition.  It just needs activation energy.  For this reason, fuse burns nicely underwater.  Try lighting Black Cats and throwing them in a pond.  Lots of fun!
3/17/2005 9:24:38 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



I thought it was self sustaining. Doesn't black powder create oxygen as it reacts.



it's self-sustaining. the saltpeter in black power is a nitrate, which contains oxygen.



Of course, modern firearms use a nitrocellulose based gun powder, not black powder.
3/17/2005 9:24:59 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



Don't you read the American Rifleman?

There was an ask the experts article in there once where someone asked if guns would work in space.  The answer is yes.  Gunpowder contains the oxygen needed for the reaction in a vacuum.



Well I'll be damned.
3/17/2005 9:25:28 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I don't think that you could. The gun powder probably wouldn't burn without the oxygen in the atmosphere here that we have here on Earth.



I thought it was self sustaining. Doesn't black powder create oxygen as it reacts.



it's self-sustaining. the saltpeter in black power is a nitrate, which contains oxygen.



True enough, but smokeless powder is an entirely different animal.  But it too is chemically complete and ready for combustion with or without air.
3/18/2005 6:41:31 PM EDT
[#25]
I'd imagine that muzzle velocities would be much higher without all that pesky atmospheric pressure to deal with, huh? Wonder how much of an increase there'd be?
3/18/2005 6:48:48 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
What about aquabumping in space?


I recommend 47 to test the rifle.
3/21/2005 6:26:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Oh if only I were in charge of NASA, we'd have all the answers we want.  And I wouldn't waste time getting engineers to do the mathematical models -- I'd put everything from a Lorcin to a 30mm cannon on board the space shuttle along with all the appropriate instrumentation and do a range report.  Heck, while I was up there, I'd even do a dinner pic!
3/21/2005 6:30:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Could the earths atmoshpere burn up a bullet traveling towards it.
3/21/2005 6:33:28 PM EDT
[#29]
I'll let you know soon after I take over NASA.