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3/15/2005 7:07:13 AM EDT
what the best way to disable a engine, with out it being discovered? car, quad, truck???beside sugar in the gas.
3/15/2005 7:09:36 AM EDT
[#1]
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.
3/15/2005 7:09:55 AM EDT
[#2]
small ball bearings in the intake
3/15/2005 7:10:25 AM EDT
[#3]
See this thread for some ideas.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=333386
3/15/2005 7:11:10 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.
3/15/2005 7:11:52 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.



Not if you drain it into a container. It takes like 2 minutes.
3/15/2005 7:12:24 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.



Not if you drain it into a container. It takes like 2 minutes.



Oops! Double tap!
3/15/2005 7:12:36 AM EDT
[#7]
Add fuel/water/anti-freeze to the oil.
3/15/2005 7:16:02 AM EDT
[#8]
A suggestion posted earlier that I had not thought of but would work like a champ is adding valve grinding paste to the oil.

3/15/2005 7:17:09 AM EDT
[#9]
moth balls in gas tank


empty radiator
3/15/2005 7:19:28 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.



Not if you drain it into a container. It takes like 2 minutes.



Oops! Double tap!



No Oil pressure would raise alarms...
3/15/2005 7:20:34 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.



Not if you drain it into a container. It takes like 2 minutes.



Oops! Double tap!



No Oil pressure would raise alarms...



Hmmm...good point there. You could always yank the wire off the sending unit, if you can find/get to it quick enough.
3/15/2005 7:27:16 AM EDT
[#12]
why do you want to mess with someones $motor$?
3/15/2005 7:31:27 AM EDT
[#13]
Moth balls won't mess up the motor.  They will sink and eventually get sucked up in the fuel line choking it off (unless of course the fuel line is internally filtered or w/ a sock).  The engine will die and will restart.  Just not for very long.
3/15/2005 7:35:24 AM EDT
[#14]
If you have access, drain off about 3 quarts of oil and replace it with fiberglass resin.

Don't ask...
3/15/2005 7:38:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Dump a gallon of bleach in the gas tank.
Mythbusters already tried mothballs and sugar, didn't work.
3/15/2005 7:38:48 AM EDT
[#16]
Cover yourself with deet.  Go out to the woods with a jar, that has a good lid.  Look for ticks.  If you see one on top of a leaf, you'll probably see 50 more on the underside of that same leaf.  knock them into the jar.  Repeat until you have hundreds of ticks in the jar.  When kid isn't looking, empty jar into vehicle.  

But you didn't hear this from me...

3/15/2005 7:40:53 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Dump a gallon of bleach in the gas tank.
Mythbusters already tried mothballs and sugar, didn't work.



Like I said, lots of newer tanks have the internal filter sock and internal pumps.  Sugar never disolves and sinks to the bottom.  
3/15/2005 7:41:53 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
what the best way to disable a engine, with out it being discovered? car, quad, truck???beside sugar in the gas.



Ok .... I am reading "disable", not "destroy" ..... yank the coil wire .... if the coil is intergral ... yank the power to the coil. if you want a more prolonged disable, cut the wires .... Most newer cars also have ignition related relays accessible under the hood ... you could yank all of those also ....

EDIT:  I just saw the thread title "wrecking an engine" ... nevermind. I won't help you vandalize someone's vehicle!  Although sending a 50BMG bullet through the front fender just above the wheel comes to mind .... that is if you want a to disable it from long range!
3/15/2005 7:56:53 AM EDT
[#19]
Had a buddy who had his gas tank sugared....luckily he discovered it before running the truck. In my opinion, if you have a problem with someone, dicking with their vehicle is a pretty cowardly way to 'get even'
3/15/2005 8:03:39 AM EDT
[#20]
rip an o2 sensor if it is newer.


Fuel pump relays as well... cobble on of those up and your facked.  
3/15/2005 8:05:13 AM EDT
[#21]
Well, if it still has a distributor cap you can take a No. 2 pencil and draw heavy lines from one plug wire terminal to another.  It will cause massive misfiring.  It's virtually undetectable if done inside the cap.  It may be against the law though so I'd advise against it.
3/15/2005 8:10:50 AM EDT
[#22]
meratic acid in the oil pan.
3/15/2005 8:14:07 AM EDT
[#23]
you said wrecking in your title- that being said i ain't gonna comment.

otherwise your best bet is to disable the ignition i.e. pull the coil wire.

still ain't sure why you'd want to do this
3/15/2005 8:19:37 AM EDT
[#24]
IBTL? CoC violation, illegal activities and instructions.
3/15/2005 8:20:30 AM EDT
[#25]
+1 lock
3/15/2005 8:20:37 AM EDT
[#26]
EMP gun.  
3/15/2005 8:23:44 AM EDT
[#27]
No offense, but messing with someones car is the chicken shit way out.  Deal with them face to face if you have a problem with them.
3/15/2005 8:24:12 AM EDT
[#28]
In my misspent youth, I remember reading that styrene in the oil is bad news.  Freezes the motor after it warms up enough.  Of course, the credibility of this information is suspect.
3/15/2005 8:24:26 AM EDT
[#29]
+3 IBTL

I had a list of 4 suggestions but thought better of it.  Bad Karma.
3/15/2005 9:30:56 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No Oil pressure would raise alarms...



Hmmm...good point there. You could always yank the wire off the sending unit, if you can find/get to it quick enough.




This won't work if the car is less than 20 years old.  My GM truck, for instance, needs to see positive oil pressure 10 seconds after start or else it disables the fuel pump, and will cut fuel any time you lose oil pressure.  This keeps your wife from driving and driving with the oil light on.


These are methods I've had personal experience with:

Toilet paper in gas tank:  Only use a handful of sheets - not the whole roll!!  It turns into mud and sloshes around in the tank clogging the gas filter.  It will cause intermittant and frequent stalling, but no real damage.

Antifreeze in gas tank:   Just a pint or so - not the whole two gallon jug.  This is a little more destructive.  AF is heavier than gas and will collect at the bottom of the tank.  Besides frequent stalling, it will junk the fuel pump and gum up the pressure regulator and injectors.  Can be expensive.  Burning the AF for even a short period (like limping home) will also kill the cat converter.

Valve grinding compound in engine:  You dump a container of VGC into the valve cover/oil filler.  Everything will run just fine except the engine will wear itself out after only a few thousand miles.  Very destructive - the engine will be trashed!!!


For more ideas, check out this book written by those ecoterrorist assholes Earth First!
3/15/2005 9:51:06 AM EDT
[#31]
Yeap - Valve grinding compound in the oil works fine - takes awhile though...

Add about a quart of battery acid to the automatic transmission - it eats it apart nicely lol

black powder in a cylinder - replace spark plug and don't be around when the person starts it - messy

bb's in the cylinder does it overtime - and it drives em mad hehe

you can also - if given a LOT of time - remove the engine light from the dash - disconnect the temp gauge - if they have one - and jam a long bolt down the water pump by removing a the hose connected to it - it must fit into the fins - so that it jams it good - older model you can just undo the belt from the water pump and let em run it - even better if you remove all engine oil also - in which case disconnect the oil pressure gauge also - and thats a bad day

Crimp the fuwl line with vice grips - easy gas gone lol

so many things...

no just don't do any - this is all about what you COULD do right?  
3/15/2005 9:55:46 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
+1 lock

+2 lock. Shut down this cheese-dick vandalism nonsense.
3/15/2005 10:05:58 AM EDT
[#33]
how do you know it isn't a junker he's playing with - just like we did?

you feel guilty about running around and revving your engine like a jerk?



+1 lock it to protect the nervous people who live in cities and never had a chance to shoot at a junker thats worth -200 dollars lol
3/15/2005 10:07:07 AM EDT
[#34]
+1 on new AWB

I mean what would anybody need those black rifles for??? lol
3/15/2005 11:01:47 AM EDT
[#35]
I am saying that it will get locked due to the way it was worded....

Now if the title of the thread was "How to tell if your engine was sabotaged" it would not imply that you were looking for ways to disable vehicles.

MT
3/15/2005 12:11:15 PM EDT
[#36]
This is sneakier than the WWII trick of pulling the distributor rotor.

Remove the coil wire (to the distributor).  Strip off the boots on the end.  Cut a similar length of vacuum hose.  Place the coil wire boots on the ends of the vacuum hose, and plug this back in in place of the coil wire.

Stand back and watch the fun as they grind the starter and kill the battery.

3/15/2005 12:44:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Sugar and moth balls dont do shit, don't you guys watch Myth Busters.  

You shouldn't be vandalizing somebody else shit anyway.

What goes around.......


3/15/2005 12:49:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Marbles in the gas tank.

Not permanent but causes the car to quit running.
3/15/2005 12:50:53 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
Sugar and moth balls dont do shit, don't you guys watch Myth Busters.  

You shouldn't be vandalizing somebody else shit anyway.

What goes around.......






Yeah, I think the most damage they caused was with bleach. Since it made it rust over night.
3/15/2005 12:55:30 PM EDT
[#40]
Add a true synthetic oil to the crank case it will disolve all the rubber seals in contact
with the oil. I belive it is MIL-23699, but why you would want to do this to your own car is beyond me
3/15/2005 1:04:28 PM EDT
[#41]
fill the tank with octane booster. last I heard cars don't like 150 octane gas.

EMP cannon?
3/15/2005 1:05:07 PM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.

to easy to discover.



Not if you drain it into a container. It takes like 2 minutes.



Oops! Double tap!



How do you double-tap? doesn't it bar you form posting more than  once every 30 seconds?
3/15/2005 1:05:32 PM EDT
[#43]
If you just want to disable the vehicle without causing any permant damage, just dump a lot of water in the gas tank. Water is heavier than gas and will sink to the bottom. The engine will start but once the fuel in the lines is used up it's pumping water and the engine dies. Usually the last place they got gas gets blamed. Water is pretty untraceable and when found is not an obvious sign of tampering.
3/15/2005 1:09:05 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
No offense, but messing with someones car is the chicken shit way out.  Deal with them face to face if you have a problem with them.



What if he's doing it to his own car?

We don't know the intended use of such suggestions.
3/15/2005 1:16:34 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
fill the tank with octane booster. last I heard cars don't like 150 octane gas.

EMP cannon?



I like the EMP cannon idea the best.

As for the octane booster, nothing to date even comes close to tetraethyl lead for price, effectiveness  and simplicity. Car Craft once did an article on most of the octane boosters on the market, then doubled and even quadrupled the suggested amount. They then performed standardized labratory tests to determine the octane rating. Some saw about a point increase, most were worthless and a good number actually DECREASED the octane rating of the gasoline.

Besides, octane isn't a substance. It's a mesurement of gasoline's resitance to detonation under compression. Nothing more. When gasoline is compressed, at a certain point the molecules start vibrating very rapidly and eventualy the fuel detonates. Tetraethyl lead bonds to the molecules and has quite a dampening effect on the vibration. As a result, the fuel has to be compressed much more before it will detonate under compression.

Using a fuel with an extremely high octane rating will not damage it. If it did, it would have nothing to do with the gasoline's resistance to detonation under compression. Rather, it would likely have something to do with the chemical used to achieve the higher rating. I don't even know how you go about getting gasoline up to 150 octane, personally. You sure as hell couldn't do it with those octane boosters, and I don't care how much you use.

ETA: I'm pretty sure you were kidding, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.
3/15/2005 2:23:51 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Drain the oil.


ETA: On your own damn car. I don't want to get in trouble.



+1.  Ask me how I know.    Ran my motorcycle dry (no oil) and blew the engine.
3/15/2005 2:28:56 PM EDT
[#47]
4.) Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities