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2/9/2005 3:00:07 PM EDT
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2/9/2005 3:02:10 PM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
A guy at works says he had family members travel by air after the crashes had occured that day.  Is there a site that list when air traffic was forced to land.





sorry in advance  man.
Is his last name arabic?



Chris
2/9/2005 3:02:21 PM EDT
[#2]
They grounded all flights within an hour or so of the attack.
2/9/2005 3:02:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Don't know of any site, but I recall that within 2 hours of the second hit, I saw 180° contrails in the sky from commercial jets turning around. It could have been sooner, but I was indoors listening to the radio. I saw the contrails on the way home.

ETA: Mrs. DzlBenz was supposed to fly to Boston that day.
2/9/2005 3:03:33 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A guy at works says he had family members travel by air after the crashes had occured that day.  Is there a site that list when air traffic was forced to land.





sorry in advance  man.
Is his last name arabic?



Chris



Not funny. In my opinion anyway.
2/9/2005 3:11:01 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
A guy at works says he had family members travel by air after the crashes had occured that day.  Is there a site that list when air traffic was forced to land.





sorry in advance  man.
Is his last name arabic?



Chris



Not funny. In my opinion anyway.



not refering to attackers Bama-Shooter, meant the saudis and "others" allowed to fly with 'permission" from our politicos
2/9/2005 3:11:20 PM EDT
[#6]
There is no web site, but the FAA issued an immediate order to ALL planes to get on the ground ASAP. Many people were stranded in Canada.
2/9/2005 3:11:47 PM EDT
[#7]
I was working under the approch path near Philly international and I rember everything being silent in like an hour or less
2/9/2005 3:13:37 PM EDT
[#8]
I was at NORAD that day.   Took about 45 minutes to clear the skies after they made the call, but they didn't make the call until 0930 eastern, 45 minutes after the last attack.

Here's the best source:

9-11 Commission report

ETA:  Here's a good graphic timeline, but it editorializes a bit.

9-11 timeline
2/9/2005 3:18:50 PM EDT
[#9]

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not refering to attackers Bama-Shooter, meant the saudis and "others" allowed to fly with 'permission" from our politicos



Are you sure that happened?  I heard it was BS.
2/9/2005 3:19:58 PM EDT
[#10]
The FAA and the military grounded all flights within an hour of the last attack.

All commercial and civilian aircraft within US airspace were ordered to land at the nearest suitable facility, all routine flight and training military aircraft were to RTB.
Only the aircraft that were controlled by the E-4B NEACP or NORAD were allowed to fly (meaning the fighters, AWACS, tankers, Looking Glass, AF1).

There were a few US and international flights that were grounded in Canada since they were refused permission to return to the USA.

The aircraft from my squadron left NAS Whidbey for Nellis AFB and arrived on Sept 10th.
The US Navy C-9 that was to carry the squadron personnal on Sept 12th was grounded, so everyone had to take a BUS from NAS Whidbey to Nellis AFB.
They spent 32 hours on the bus and only stopped two times.

2/9/2005 3:20:47 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
not refering to attackers Bama-Shooter, meant the saudis and "others" allowed to fly with 'permission" from our politicos



Are you sure that happened?  I heard it was BS.



Just Michael Moore BS. Nothing Moore.
2/9/2005 3:24:46 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
not refering to attackers Bama-Shooter, meant the saudis and "others" allowed to fly with 'permission" from our politicos



Are you sure that happened?  I heard it was BS.



not sure either way at this point.

Chris
2/9/2005 3:29:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Here in the DC area, all aircraft were grounded shortly after the first attack, except
military traffic out of Andrews AFB, Md. I assume there was activity from the 1st Marine AIr WIng at Quantico also.
DaddyDett
2/9/2005 3:30:52 PM EDT
[#14]
I have a couple sound files of the calls Betty Ong made after the flight was hijacked.  She was so calm.  Very sad.
2/9/2005 3:31:43 PM EDT
[#15]
According to Michael Moore, George Bush let all kinds of Saudis and Bin Laden family members leave the country....
2/9/2005 3:37:50 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
They grounded all flights within an hour or so of the attack.



+1

many of the flights were diverted to Canada and Mexico

I was working at AA Headquarters when that happened, it was total mayhem.
2/9/2005 4:32:30 PM EDT
[#17]
here is a snippit to the final stopping of all civilian aircraft activity

09:00

09:03: President George W. Bush enters an Emma E. Booker Elementary School classroom in Sarasota, Florida, as part of a scheduled visit to promote education and the Bush administration education policies. Bush is (only) aware that a commercial airline has struck one of the World Trade Center towers and elects to continue his schedule for the moment.

09:03: NORAD (NEADS) is notified by FAA's New York Center of the hijacking of Flight 175.

09:03:02: Flight 175 crashes with a speed of about 590 mph (950 km/h) into the south side of the south tower, banked between floors 78 and 84. By this time, several media organizations are covering the first plane crash; millions see the impact live. Parts of the plane leave the building at its east and north sides, falling to the ground six blocks away. A massive evacuation begins in the south tower below its impact zone. One of the stairwells in the south tower remains unblocked, but filled with smoke. This led many persons to mistakenly go upwards towards the roof for a rooftop rescue that would never come. CNN's headline now reads 'Second plane crashes into World Trade Center'.

09:04 (approximately): The FAA's Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center stops all departures from airports in its jurisdiction (New England and eastern New York State).

09:06: The FAA bans takeoffs of all flights bound to or through the airspace of New York Center from airports in that Center and the three adjacent Centers - Boston, Cleveland, and Washington. This is referred to as a First Tier groundstop and covers the Northeast from North Carolina north and as far west as eastern Michigan.

09:06: After brief introductions to the Booker elementary students, President Bush is about to begin reading with the students when Chief of Staff Andrew Card interrupts to whisper to the president, "A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack." The president elects to continue the lesson rather than alarm the students.

09:08: The FAA bans all takeoffs nationwide for flights going to or through New York Center airspace.

09:13: The Otis Air Force based F-15 fighters leave military airspace near Long Island, bound for Manhattan.

09:16: President Bush leaves the classroom he has been in since 9:03, and is whisked to another, commandeered by the secret service. It contains a telephone, television showing the news coverage, and several senior staff members. Bush accumulates information and prepares brief remarks.

09:20: CNN's headline makes reference to foul play for the first time: 'AP: FBI investigating report of plane hijacking'. 9:22: 'AP: Plane was hijacked before crashed'.

09:24: The FAA notifies NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector about the suspected hijacking of American Airlines flight 77. The FAA and NORAD establish an open line to discuss Flight 77, and shortly thereafter, Flight 93.

09:25: The Otis Air Force based F-15s establish an air patrol over the city of Manhattan.

09:26: The FAA bans takeoffs of all civilian aircraft regardless of destination - a national groundstop.


See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks_timeline_for_the_day_of_the_attacks
2/9/2005 4:33:11 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
The FAA and the military grounded all flights within an hour of the last attack.

All commercial and civilian aircraft within US airspace were ordered to land at the nearest suitable facility, all routine flight and training military aircraft were to RTB.
Only the aircraft that were controlled by the E-4B NEACP or NORAD were allowed to fly (meaning the fighters, AWACS, tankers, Looking Glass, AF1).

There were a few US and international flights that were grounded in Canada since they were refused permission to return to the USA.

The aircraft from my squadron left NAS Whidbey for Nellis AFB and arrived on Sept 10th.
The US Navy C-9 that was to carry the squadron personnal on Sept 12th was grounded, so everyone had to take a BUS from NAS Whidbey to Nellis AFB.
They spent 32 hours on the bus and only stopped two times.




+1

Yeah, the controllers pretty much told everyone to land.  IIRC, some guys I worked with said the centers didn't even use the words "nearest suitable" in their instructions.  They just said "You need to land immediately".  We had airplanes and aircrews stuck all over hells half acre.  I had started a trip on the 10th, overnighting in Newburgh, NY...awoke to the phone in my hotel room on the 11th with the Captain telling me to turn on the TV.

I remember looking at those images and thinking (in a fog mind you)...cool special effects, what movie is this.  Traffic in the northeast corridor was pretty restricted for the remainder of the week.  It took us until the 17th to get back to CVG.

Cavu  
2/9/2005 4:43:44 PM EDT
[#19]

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I have a couple sound files of the calls Betty Ong made after the flight was hijacked.  She was so calm.  Very sad.



Please email me if you knew Betty.  (Your email is disabled.)
2/9/2005 4:52:32 PM EDT
[#20]
Air traffic was shut down by something like 0930. I was working under one of the major flightpaths
into Dulles International here in Northern VA, and when I stepped outside my (then) agency's HQ
building, one of the first things that I noticed was how quiet it was.

With the amount of traffic that was always in and out of there, it was really strange driving home, and
seeing no planes anywhere. Only air traffic I saw was around 1030, when two Falcons flew past
Dulles, pretty low on the deck.
2/9/2005 4:59:49 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Only the aircraft that were controlled by the E-4B NEACP or NORAD were allowed to fly



The US Marshall's prisoner transport planes were cleared to fly as well.
2/9/2005 5:11:58 PM EDT
[#22]
All you had to do was look up. I was on a graintrain coming from IL to IN that morning. Skies where clear. I remember looking at all the contrails that morning thinking "it'd be cool to trade places". You can see St. Louis and Indianapolis bound flights from out there. As I was coming into Sullivan my wife called and told me about the first plane. I figured it was a Cessna or some small plane. I stopped my train at a crossing to turn it over to the relief crew, and she called again to tell me about the second strike. We stood at the jeep for an hour listening to the news. When we left to drive back to our home terminal, we didn't see any contrails. None. Didn't see any for a few days after, either. That was the thing I remember most about September, 2001. The skies were empty.
2/9/2005 5:22:55 PM EDT
[#23]

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I have a couple sound files of the calls Betty Ong made after the flight was hijacked.  She was so calm.  Very sad.



Please email me if you knew Betty.  (Your email is disabled.)



The sound files were released on the net and I found them on an airline related website.  Didn't know her at all.  The files are about 3.7 MB
2/9/2005 5:55:49 PM EDT
[#24]

Saudis Evacuated From United States After 9/11?

Aired September 4, 2003

ZAHN: And now we're going to go on to talk a little bit more about that article. Let's talk a little bit about some of the details now, turning the page to the war on terror. An article in the latest issue of "Vanity Fair" details the exodus of Saudis from the U.S. in the days following the September 11 attacks. According to the article, among those who left were members of the Saudi ruling family, as well as relatives of Osama bin Laden.

Those people may have been of interest to U.S. investigators, but sources tell "Vanity Fair" the Saudis weren't even interviewed by the FBI.

I am joined now by Craig Unger, "Vanity Fair"'s reporter on this story.

Welcome.

CRAIG UNGER, "VANITY FAIR": It's good to be here, Paula.

ZAHN: Thank you.

First of all, is there any evidence that you can point to that any of these families who ultimately left the country either were aware of the 9/11 plot or were involved in any alleged financing of the organization at this point?

UNGER: No.

I was unable to get the manifest of the actual passenger list of the people who did leave. The real point is that, in any investigation, whether it's the most commonplace murder or an assassination, one talks to people who are innocent, who are friends and relatives of the perpetrator. In this case, we knew from the start that it was Osama bin Laden. And there were roughly two dozen members of the bin Laden family who were among those who left.

ZAHN: And your allegation, according to your sources, is that they were allowed to leave the country without being questioned.

UNGER: That's correct.

ZAHN: Now, according to our sources at the State Department and some of our own reporters working on this story, the FBI did question, if not all of them, most of these family members.

UNGER: I talked to several people who were with the FBI during the actual repatriation.

And they told me there was a lot of back-and-forth between the FBI and the Saudi Embassy. And the Saudi Embassy tried to get people to leave without even identifying them. The FBI succeeded in identifying people and going through their passports. But, in many cases, you had the FBI meeting people for the first time on the tarmac or on the planes themselves as they were departing. That was not time for a serious interview or a serious interrogation.

ZAHN: Are you aware of any useful information being turned over through this process? Were there any other periods of questioning that you thought actually yielded something significant?

UNGER: None whatsoever.

The point is that, to do a serious investigation, in any murder -- in even most commonplace murder, one would talks to friends of the perpetrator, to relatives. In this case, they were spirited out of the country. And they were also given an extraordinary privilege, that is, this was a time in which American airspace was locked down. This required White House approval. This was a time in which the skies were as empty as they had been in 100 years since the Wright Brothers flew at Kitty Hawk.

FBI counterintelligence agents were not allowed to fly during this period, yet the Saudis were.


ZAHN: Well, help me with the timeline here, because it was on September 18, was one of the first flights out of the country, right?

UNGER: Right.

ZAHN: And we are told that there were other private planes that took off that day and there was other commercial traffic.

UNGER: Oh, they did.

But the key is not when they left the country. The key is when they got into American airspace, which was locked down. And the first flight I was able to document was on September 13. At 10:57 a.m. on that day, the FAA put out a notice saying all private planes could not fly. And yet a Learjet took off from Tampa just a couple hours later and landed in Lexington, Kentucky. I spoke to two people who were on that plane.

> > > ZAHN: But, once again, you don't have as big of a problem with the flight on September 18, when these family members finally left the country.

UNGER: The point isn't really when they left the country. It was that the entire process required White House approval and that there was in fact, according to Richard Clarke , the counterterrorism czar, who was in the White House at the time, was in the White House Situation Room, there was a White House approval, pending, he said, being vetted by the FBI.

Now, I did talk to various people in the FBI. And they said there was not a serious vetting process, that they identified people, but they did not interrogate or interview them.


ZAHN: Getting a lot of attention with this article. Have you heard from the Bush administration yet?

UNGER: No, I haven't.

ZAHN: Thank you so much for dropping by, Craig Unger, fascinating read in this month's "Vanity Fair."



My next guest says the numbers involved in the Saudi exodus were actually much lower than alleged in the "Vanity Fair" article and that everyone who left was questioned by the FBI before departing.

Nail Al-Jubeir is the director of the Saudi Information Office. He joins me from Washington tonight.

Welcome, sir.

NAIL AL-JUBEIR, DIRECTOR, SAUDI INFORMATION OFFICE: Thank you for having me.

ZAHN: First of all, can you confirm for us tonight that the Saudi government did, in fact, lobby with the Bush administration to allow for some of these Saudi family members to leave the country?

AL-JUBEIR: What we did was, we raised it with the appropriate authorities in this country, the FBI, and brought them a list of every person of the bin Laden that needs to get out, simply because of their own security.

The name was given, their place of birth, their address, their phone number. Everything was provide to them beforehand. When the approval for them to depart, that happened on the 19th. The plane went around, picked them up in L.A., picked them up in Dallas, picked them up in -- I'm sorry. -- L.A. I'm sorry. Let me -- I think it's Los Angeles, Orlando, Washington and Boston.

At every single point, my understanding is, they were taken off the plane, they were questioned, they were searched, and then were put back on. Where Mr. Unger said that some of them weren't questioned is simply not the case. I'm staying here. The FBI knows about that. And if there are any concerns, there's a joint Saudi-American task force in Saudi Arabia that could have raised the issue there right now, if they want.

ZAHN: But as you heard, Mr. Unger's greater concern was that these questions that were asked were pretty cursory. He said some of these interviews that took place, took place on the tarmac, not what he would describe as an appropriate place for an interrogation to take place.

AL-JUBEIR: Most of these people were children. Let's start out with that. So you take that issue, unless he thinks underage kids are supposed to be interrogated.


So when we come to the question of who they are, there's some adults in there. And they are in Saudi Arabia. If they want to question them, by all means, they can go through the task force in Saudi Arabia. As of today -- as a matter of fact, right now it's about quarter to -- quarter past 8:00. Until about 7:00, 6:30, we have not received a request to reinterview them. So I don't think there's anything serious. I think Mr. Unger is making a story of something that happened two years ago that is a nonstory.

ZAHN: Well, can you tell us unequivocally tonight that no one on board this plane had anything to do with either the planning or the execution of the September 11 plot?

AL-JUBEIR: There are only two things that I'm sure about, that there is existence of God and then we will die at the end of the world. Everything else, we don't know.

The question is, if there's concern, bring it up to us. We have no qualms. That is why we have a joint task force. If anybody has any concerns, let us know. They are available. They are going to clear their name. It's matter of trying to rehash, trying to bring an idea that there was a secret way to get them out of the country, which is absolutely not the case.

ZAHN: But, once again, you didn't directly answer that question. You cannot say, then, tonight with 100 percent certainly that any of these folks on board this plane that left the country about a week after September 11 had anything to do with the financing of the plot or the execution of the plot?

AL-JUBEIR: Am I going to sit there and say I know? I won't say that, because, to be honest with you, it is not for me. It is for the intelligence community to find out.

I am not clearing anybody. I'm not accusing anybody. I think Mr. Unger needs to admit he's basically accusing and sort of bringing the idea that, yes, there might be some people on that plane. If the U.S. intelligence community, if the FBI has any concerns, there is a task force in Saudi Arabia. Let them take it up there. For him to come up here, write a story based on charges that are simply not there -- and in the article, there are also even accusations of a plane that the U.S. government doesn't know anything about.

How can you hide a 747, for God's sake? This is the United States. Based on this article, this is like a banana republic. Planes take off and land and nobody knows anything about it.

ZAHN: Mr. Al-Jubeir, I'm going let Mr. Unger quickly step in here.

Just answer his allegation, basically that there's a bunch of bunk in this story that is in the latest issue of "Vanity Fair."

UNGER: Well, it's simply -- I spoke to people who were on the plane who left on September 13. So we know that this required some White House approval. Not to interrogate them, not to interview them for the worst crime in American history is inexcusable.

ZAHN: Mr. Al-Jubeir, you get the last word tonight.

AL-JUBEIR: Well, again, he's basically saying that the White House, the FBI, the intelligence are in cahoots to hide the biggest mass murder in U.S. history.

I can't believe he actually sat there and said that with a straight face, that the U.S. government is covering up for the mass murder. That is insulting to the U.S. government, to the U.S. president, and the law enforcement agents.


ZAHN: Well, gentlemen, we're going to have to leave it there. Your article certainly sparking a lot of controversy tonight.



2/9/2005 5:58:57 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
I was at NORAD that day.



Dude! What was your job and how can I apply?
2/9/2005 6:05:49 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
They grounded all flights within an hour or so of the attack.



i live very near, and worked even closer to dtw on 911

it was very quickly when the skies were empty

the landing planes went right over my building al day, one per evry third minute or so, till 911

they stopped completely for a looooong time
2/9/2005 6:10:17 PM EDT
[#27]
Our plane was in the air circling in Canada until Toronto gave us permission to land. The FAA wouldn't let us back in the country.

I don't remember when we landed Toronto time.
2/9/2005 6:16:32 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Yeah, the controllers pretty much told everyone to land.  IIRC, some guys I worked with said the centers didn't even use the words "nearest suitable" in their instructions.  They just said "You need to land immediately".  We had airplanes and aircrews stuck all over hells half acre.  I had started a trip on the 10th, overnighting in Newburgh, NY...awoke to the phone in my hotel room on the 11th with the Captain telling me to turn on the TV.

I remember looking at those images and thinking (in a fog mind you)...cool special effects, what movie is this.  Traffic in the northeast corridor was pretty restricted for the remainder of the week.  It took us until the 17th to get back to CVG.

Cavu  



yes that is correct ,  we we're given the instruction that all civilian aircraft VFR, IFR whatever

 SHALL  be cleared to land at the nearest available airport

I work south Texas enroute & it was interesting to say the least

places like CRP, SAT, HRL, MFE, & BRO where all filling up fast with planes on the tarmac

we where literally running out of concrete for planes to land

we had many planes inbounnd from Mexico to places like DFW

I remember clearing one AAL  pilot to SAT via direct due to a national emergency
& he just kind of  laughed with the response,  " no sir, we're proceeding to DFW"

to which I responded  "well sir in less than 30mins the only aircraft that will be
authorized to fly in my airspace will be F-16's, & due to a national emergency
if you are not on the ground in SAT you will be considered a hijacked aircraft "

he got the picture after that , it was a surreal day at work to say the least

especially once the skies were clear of all aircraft except for a few fighters & tankers
2/9/2005 6:35:46 PM EDT
[#29]
I work enroute too but was hunting that day forty miles out in the middle of nowhere.  We  noticed right away that the skies were quiet.  We suspected that something was going on but didn't find out until two days later on a VHF handheld.  
2/9/2005 6:54:04 PM EDT
[#30]

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I work enroute too but was hunting that day forty miles out in the middle of nowhere.  We  noticed right away that the skies were quiet.  We suspected that something was going on but didn't find out until two days later on a VHF handheld.  



you up  in Anchorage  ??

NATCA ?


is that still considered a CENRAP  ??

2/9/2005 6:56:40 PM EDT
[#31]
I live in the San Francisco bay area, usually lots of air traffic.

It was very weird to go out at night and see nothing but the occassional military flight.
2/9/2005 6:58:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Here's what the Villuj_idiot was doing:

I was walking out of my hotel at Fayetteville, dragging my suitcase and heading for the airport.  I passed a small crowd of people craning their necks at the TV in the lobby.  I looked out of curiosity, saw one of the trade towers burning, asked what was going on.

"Airplane hit it.  Accident or something."

At that moment, the second plane hit the other tower.

"Shit!  That was no accident!"

I hauled my ass to the airport.  Got there in 20 minutes.  There was already a state trooper there, waving me away from the terminal.

20 minutes.
2/9/2005 7:20:53 PM EDT
[#33]
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2/9/2005 7:48:55 PM EDT
[#34]
controlled by the E-4B NEACP or NORAD were allowed to fly



Quoted:

Quoted:

Only the aircraft that were controlled by the E-4B NEACP or NORAD were allowed to fly



The US Marshall's prisoner transport planes were cleared to fly as well.

2/9/2005 8:03:22 PM EDT
[#35]
I was airborne during the morning commute and we were giving info to the tower as they did not know what was happening. At first, they thought that a catastrophe had closed a major hub and was shingling the IFR system. Later, we were told to land at the nearest airport but I was allowed to return to my home airfield about 15 miles away. F-16s were intercepting any traffic that day and one old coot comming in from nowhere in northern Nevada got a rude wake up call. He lived on a ranch and as of the afternoon of the 11th he had no idea of the airspace closure and was intercepted over southern Idaho. The airspace closure for the next three weeks included ALL traffic watch proceedures so I ended up flying a lot of "light pollution surveys"
2/9/2005 8:14:19 PM EDT
[#36]

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A guy at works says he had family members travel by air after the crashes had occured that day.  Is there a site that list when air traffic was forced to land.





sorry in advance  man.
Is his last name arabic?



Chris



Not funny. In my opinion anyway.



not refering to attackers Bama-Shooter, meant the saudis and "others" allowed to fly with 'permission" from our politicos

michael moore said it, it must be true
2/10/2005 1:46:06 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

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I was at NORAD that day.



Dude! What was your job and how can I apply?



Wasn't nearly as exciting as it sounds.  I was in the headquarters building at Peterson AFB, not in the mountain (about 13 miles away).  My job at the time was space systems requirements (making sure new space systems acquired by NORAD met all of our needs).

But, since NORAD wasn't going to need an emergency acquisition of a new satellite/computer system to respond to the threat, they sent me home.  Still pissed about that--I spent my life in the uniform of my country, and when it gets attacked, I get sent home.  

I watched the first two planes hit at home, ran into the office, helped organize a little bit, heard they had grounded all the aircraft, then got sent home as they locked down the base and the mountain.  Stayed home for three days, then spent the next three months working on the NORAD Battle Staff doing Operation Noble Eagle.  That was educational, especially since I'm an ICBM/space guy, not an air defender.  Learned a lot those three months; wish I didn't have the opportunity.
2/10/2005 6:55:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Sadly I remember that day very well.  I do not know of any non US GOVT controlled AC that flew after the attacks, however I do remember hearing all the stories about what had happened with our diverted planes.  Here's a pic from Gander Intl Airport in Newfoundland,  most Delta flights inbd from Europe landed there.



2/10/2005 9:10:26 AM EDT
[#39]
At one time,I fueled up those Delta's at CVG,What a sad day!