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2/6/2005 5:17:49 AM EDT
The wife and I were home watching tv about 7:45 last night,when the doorbell rang.Opened the door and there was a dude standing there holding out a roll of brawny paper towels telling me it was my free present If I would talk to him for a few minutesTell him twice I wasnt interested in talking to him and close the door.My dogs are outside on the backside of the house going nuts.This guy gets into a dark SUV and drives over to my neighbors house and does the same thing.I shut off the lights in the living room so I can watch outside.After he leaves next door,gets into his truck,turns around and goes back out the road infront of my house about 100 feet and stops.I then notice someone in the woods across from our houses running through the woods along the road upto the truck,they open a back door on the passenger side jump in and the truck takes off.I know it wasnt the dude that came to the door,cause he was like 5'3" and had on a long trench coat.The guy in the woods was much taller,at least 6' and had no coat,just a light colored teeshirt.I called the nonemergency line for the sheriffs dept,the woman was like ok,what do you want us to do about it?WTF was this?Just seemed like we were being cased to see who was home.What do you think.
2/6/2005 5:20:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Sounds to me like the guy in the truck was distracting home owners so that the guy in the woods could break into some sheds or garages or steal stuff from some back yards.

Or the guy could be knocking on doors to see if anyone is home.  If there is no answer, they may be breaking into the house.  

Just a guess of course
2/6/2005 5:24:21 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Sounds to me like the guy in the truck was distracting home owners so that the guy in the woods could break into some sheds or garages or steal stuff from some back yards.

Or the guy could be knocking on doors to see if anyone is home.  If there is no answer, they may be breaking into the house.  

Just a guess of course



My thoughts too.
2/6/2005 5:24:45 AM EDT
[#3]
Yea,something hinky about the whole thing.I just thought it was maybe door to door salesman,but the guy in the woods made me think otherwise.
2/6/2005 5:25:57 AM EDT
[#4]

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Or the guy could be knocking on doors to see if anyone is home.  If there is no answer, they may be breaking into the house.  


Bingo

edit one city I lived in this was a common tactic. One thief would knock on the door while the other entered through the rear, they would not only hit houses that were empty during the day this way, they would also do it if an elderly person was home alone during the day, the knocker would keep her talking while his partner would try to get in the back of the house and rob theplace.
2/6/2005 5:26:24 AM EDT
[#5]
Did you empty a 30 rnd mag over his head while naked?
It's worked before
2/6/2005 5:27:38 AM EDT
[#6]
At our dispatch center we would have sent officers out on a report of suspicious activity.  If you demand a police response, they cannot deny you.
2/6/2005 5:30:34 AM EDT
[#7]

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At our dispatch center we would have sent officers out on a report of suspicious activity.  If you demand a police response, they cannot deny you.



In all fairness the lady did ask if I wanted a deputy to respond,I told her it wasnt needed cause they had moved on,but just wanted to let them know something weird was going on
2/6/2005 5:33:06 AM EDT
[#8]
it was a Kirby vacuum salesman canvasing for customers.  they give you a cleaning gift to get in your house to demo a vacuum.

d.
2/6/2005 5:34:18 AM EDT
[#9]
not hacking on ya... but did you get the license plate number....?? it might come in handy later when things start disappearing...
2/6/2005 5:36:05 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:


Or the guy could be knocking on doors to see if anyone is home.  If there is no answer, they may be breaking into the house.  


Bingo

edit one city I lived in this was a common tactic. One thief would knock on the door while the other entered through the rear, they would not only hit houses that were empty during the day this way, they would also do it if an elderly person was home alone during the day, the knocker would keep her talking while his partner would try to get in the back of the house and rob theplace.



I think maybe he was looking to get around to the back of the house,but the back including the deck and the kichen door are fenced in,and I have a crazy chow chow and lab on patrol out there and they were going nuts.That was the first clue something was going on,the dogs were barking before the door rang,kept barking even after the truck pulled up the road and sat for like 30seconds while dude in the woods made his way over.
2/6/2005 5:37:21 AM EDT
[#11]

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not hacking on ya... but did you get the license plate number....?? it might come in handy later when things start disappearing...



no I didnt,wish I would have though
2/6/2005 5:38:50 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
At our dispatch center we would have sent officers out on a report of suspicious activity.  If you demand a police response, they cannot deny you.



In all fairness the lady did ask if I wanted a deputy to respond,I told her it wasnt needed cause they had moved on,but just wanted to let them know something weird was going on



Honestly, there is nothing that can be done based on what you have given. Even with an excellent description and the tag number, until a crime is actually discovered, the best that can be done is to harass them. Hell, I work for a dispatch center and in this case, given what you have said, I wouldn't even call. Sounds like something that needs to be watched and handled by homeowners, since the police can do literally nothing until a crime occurs. I would suggest you have them set up an extra patrol in your neighborhood, and give them what you have of the vehicle description. The extra presence may help a little.
2/6/2005 5:40:12 AM EDT
[#13]
I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  
2/6/2005 5:41:22 AM EDT
[#14]
Dogs. More than man's best friend. I have friends in the country who don't have dogs, still amazes me. We live in the city, and have two hounds. He barks if a frog farts in the back yard.

+1 on casing the place. How old was this guy? Clean cut or scraggly. ie, did he look like he belonged out there or out of place?
2/6/2005 5:42:17 AM EDT
[#15]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



+1
2/6/2005 6:00:57 AM EDT
[#16]
guy at the door was white,like I said real short,thin build maybe 100lbs,age probably mid thirtees,black slicked back hair real thin little mustache.SUV was black,taillights looked like a chevy or GMC make.As for being armed,didnt have a pistol handy but did have my ak behind the door with a twenty rnd mag
2/6/2005 6:12:32 AM EDT
[#17]
Colt...Where in West Virginia?? Eastern panhandle perhaps..Lots of perps running around hitting storage sheds,buildings and the like.....
2/6/2005 6:13:05 AM EDT
[#18]
Opps..Should be colk...
2/6/2005 6:17:29 AM EDT
[#19]

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Colt...Where in West Virginia?? Eastern panhandle perhaps..Lots of perps running around hitting storage sheds,buildings and the like.....



yep,Martinsburg.Saw in the Journal yesterday were they arrested some fucktard for armed robbery while wearing a scream mask,like in the movie.Lots O' genuis badguys in this area
2/6/2005 6:20:31 AM EDT
[#20]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



I can.  I was carrying a rifle at the time
2/6/2005 6:22:10 AM EDT
[#21]

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Did you empty a 30 rnd mag over his head while naked?
It's worked before



I recommend running out in the front yard butt-ass naked in combat boots, sporting a light-equipped M4 and a giant woody.
2/6/2005 6:22:15 AM EDT
[#22]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



I thought I was the only one.
2/6/2005 6:22:40 AM EDT
[#23]
Colk..I live in one of the many subdivisions in the Falling Waters area..Last fall we had a white van going around targeting ATV's...Just keep a sharp eye out..Seems like you cant have anything these days...Ridersville Cycle in Berkeley Springs has been hit four times...Regards
2/6/2005 6:24:40 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Did you empty a 30 rnd mag over his head while naked?
It's worked before



I recommend running out in the front yard butt-ass naked in combat boots, sporting a light-equipped M4 and a giant woody.




I was thinking more of flipflops,nothing but a loincloth with a smily face painted on my gut and a machette
2/6/2005 6:25:23 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Did you empty a 30 rnd mag over his head while naked?
It's worked before



I recommend running out in the front yard butt-ass naked in combat boots, sporting a light-equipped M4 and a giant woody.


If the gun don't get'em, the woody will.
2/6/2005 6:25:59 AM EDT
[#26]
Seems like every assclown they post in The Journal,wearing the famous orange jumpsuit is from this area...Falling Waters and Hedgesville..Sportsmans Paradise is lovely this time of year
2/6/2005 6:26:26 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Did you empty a 30 rnd mag over his head while naked?
It's worked before



I recommend running out in the front yard butt-ass naked in combat boots, sporting a light-equipped M4 and a giant woody.




I was thinking more of flipflops,nothing but a loincloth with a smily face painted on my gut and a machette



Fine idea - I'll incorporate it into my potential responses to threats.
2/6/2005 6:27:24 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
it was a Kirby vacuum salesman canvasing for customers.  they give you a cleaning gift to get in your house to demo a vacuum.

d.



Maybe so and the guy in the woods was coming from the next street over after having walked the neighborhood.

I've seen some cleaning product salesmen who operate that way.  They come in groups and meet back up with their ride when they are done walking a neighborhood.
2/6/2005 6:27:35 AM EDT
[#29]

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Colk..I live in one of the many subdivisions in the Falling Waters area..Last fall we had a white van going around targeting ATV's...Just keep a sharp eye out..Seems like you cant have anything these days...Ridersville Cycle in Berkeley Springs has been hit four times...Regards



Have to go shooting sometime.Ever been to Sheps Sporting Goods in Martinsburg?I work there.Most gun people in this area have been in at one time or another.
2/6/2005 6:28:39 AM EDT
[#30]
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2/6/2005 6:28:50 AM EDT
[#31]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



+1
2/6/2005 6:31:18 AM EDT
[#32]
I just did a transfer with Sparks..Picked up a nice Springfield loaded from Hendershots in Hancock..Sounds like a plan.
2/6/2005 6:32:20 AM EDT
[#33]
Sheps is on RT11?
2/6/2005 6:35:38 AM EDT
[#34]

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Sheps is on RT11?



Yep,actually on winchester ave,across the road from the BB&T bank.About half a mile from sparks.OBTW we only charge 15 dollars for a transfer
2/6/2005 6:36:11 AM EDT
[#35]
You should have released the hounds!!
2/6/2005 6:40:35 AM EDT
[#36]

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You should have released the hounds!!



Yea but I think that may be considered deadly force,besides as long as they know I have two mean dogs that are in and around the house,I doubt they will be back
2/6/2005 6:43:52 AM EDT
[#37]

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You should have released the hounds!!



Yea but I think that may be considered deadly force,besides as long as they know I have two mean dogs that are in and around the house,I doubt they will be back



True!  My father-in-law taught juvenile felons and they #1 deterrent was a dog in the house.
2/6/2005 6:44:09 AM EDT
[#38]

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Sheps is on RT11?



Yep,actually on winchester ave,across the road from the BB&T bank.About half a mile from sparks.OBTW we only charge 15 dollars for a transferhr
    You have my business...
2/6/2005 6:48:01 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
it was a Kirby vacuum salesman canvasing for customers.  they give you a cleaning gift to get in your house to demo a vacuum.

d.



+1

They tried to give a roll to a friend of mine. She told him she sells electrolux vacuums, he was like a robot, just kept going with the sales pitch.

2/6/2005 6:48:27 AM EDT
[#40]
THIS IS A SCAM/THEFT TECHNIQUE

People wre doing it a few years back in NJ.
Mostly targeted older folks....person at the front door occupies you for a few minutes...parter goes in teh back door and starts carrying stuff out. They only need a few minutes...just grab a purse, or any other easy to carry thing they can score a quick few bucks on.

Answer the door with a rifle next time.
I doubt they will be interested in talking.
2/6/2005 6:52:26 AM EDT
[#41]

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.I called the nonemergency line for the sheriffs dept,the woman was like ok,what do you want us to do about it?WTF was this?Just seemed like we were being cased to see who was home.What do you think.



Sherrif dept doesnt like to be bothered until AFTER the you get robbed or killed obviously.

In my town they would have pulled over every vehicle that fit that descrition.

2/6/2005 6:59:51 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
it was a Kirby vacuum salesman canvasing for customers.  they give you a cleaning gift to get in your house to demo a vacuum.

d.



+1

They tried to give a roll to a friend of mine. She told him she sells electrolux vacuums, he was like a robot, just kept going with the sales pitch.




Perhaps,but have never had a door to door salesmen at almost 8 at night.Also the dude in the woods,I only saw him just before they left for like 30 seconds.No way he would have came down through those woods from another house,that shit is thick with sticker bushes,we have to trim that shit back along the woods were he ran through early in spring and spray the crap out of it with weed killer all summer to keep it from growing out into the road.Almost like walking through natuaral concetena wire in some places.Besides,the familly in the house on the other side of that wooded lot is like right out of deliverance,make me look almost normal

edit to say if he had bothered them,dude would have found the quickest route of egress,ie the road,not through the woods.I shit you not
2/6/2005 7:02:17 AM EDT
[#43]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



I thought I was the only one.



Nope. I always have a pistol or short pistol grip shotgun in my hand when answering the door to stangers. I recently had a nervous acting, scruffy looking guy knocking at my door about 9:00 at night. He said he wanted to use my phone to call his girlfriend, and he looked like a tweaker. I unlocked the door but left the steel latch locked so the door was only open about 2 inches. He stepped right into the door with his face pressed into the open crack. I kept the door between him and myself and had my GLOCK pointed at his head through the door. Finger off the trigger, of course.
2/6/2005 7:03:02 AM EDT
[#44]

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I can't remember the last time I answered the door without a pistol in my hand.  



I thought I was the only one.



It boggles my mind that thieves are willing to risk getting shot by a homeowner.  Yes, the person at the door may distract them, but what if they hear someone coming in the back?  Many/?Most states allow a lot of legal lee-way for the homeowner to use deadly force if someone invades their home.  And in West Virginia of all places!  The same can be said for any gun-friendly state.  Canada and U.K. I can understand.  Unless it is a known friend, mailman or UPS/FedEx, most people in NH loathe having someone come to their door.  

+1 on gun in hand.  
2/6/2005 7:04:53 AM EDT
[#45]

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Quoted:

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You should have released the hounds!!



Yea but I think that may be considered deadly force,besides as long as they know I have two mean dogs that are in and around the house,I doubt they will be back



True!  My father-in-law taught juvenile felons and they #1 deterrent was a dog in the house.



If #1 is a dog in the house, what number is two 90 pound dobermans in the house?
2/6/2005 7:05:24 AM EDT
[#46]
The next time he shows up @ your door It Sounds like time for a little "Recon by fire" into the woods!
Watch your ass you are being set up for something!
2/6/2005 7:06:46 AM EDT
[#47]

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Opps..Should be colk...



i know...off topic, but I think it is (presumably) short for

Colonel Klink, of Hogans Heroes fame
2/6/2005 7:07:29 AM EDT
[#48]
Plus one on this being dumb shit to pull in West Virginia.A few years back they were trying to change the use of deadly force laws to allow you to protect property.The coal miners put the kibosh on that though,seems when they go on strike they like to destroy mine property and thought it would be used against them.
2/6/2005 7:10:55 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
it was a Kirby vacuum salesman canvasing for customers.  they give you a cleaning gift to get in your house to demo a vacuum.

d.



+1

They tried to give a roll to a friend of mine. She told him she sells electrolux vacuums, he was like a robot, just kept going with the sales pitch.




Perhaps,but have never had a door to door salesmen at almost 8 at night.Also the dude in the woods,I only saw him just before they left for like 30 seconds.No way he would have came down through those woods from another house,that shit is thick with sticker bushes,we have to trim that shit back along the woods were he ran through early in spring and spray the crap out of it with weed killer all summer to keep it from growing out into the road.Almost like walking through natuaral concetena wire in some places.Besides,the familly in the house on the other side of that wooded lot is like right out of deliverance,make me look almost normal

edit to say if he had bothered them,dude would have found the quickest route of egress,ie the road,not through the woods.I shit you not



It was about 7:30 pm when they came by her place, one was a trainee.  I quess normally the work alone.

The dude in the wood is weird though. No chance he was in there to take a piss?

It could have been a setup, or it could have been legit. Bad thing is you never know.

2/6/2005 7:11:06 AM EDT
[#50]

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Opps..Should be colk...



i know...off topic, but I think it is (presumably) short for

Colonel Klink, of Hogans Heroes fame



Yea,was watching a Hogans Heroes marathon on TV land years ago when I registered here.Didnt know at the time there was already a member going by Colonel Kink,must have been why I couldnt register under that name.Go by Godsmack on every other board I am a member of.
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