Posted: 1/30/2005 11:46:34 AM EDT
| so, are we all paranoid because we prepare for a SHTF situation?..do we have dreams of BOV'S and BOB'S? are we like wannabe commando's who wish for a thrill and the excitement of a SHTF scenario?. do we actually want to kill people awith a .38 and a 10/22? what is the reality here? are we just day-dreaming and playing john wayne?.think about this!.................... .no flame intended, this is a good thing to think about. |
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I'm always amazed at people who are concerned about the enormous stockpiles of ammo they think they are going to need. I'm not sure what exactly people are expecting, but in most TEOTWAWKI or SHTF scenarios, I don't think ammo and "resupply" of ammo are going to be the critical issues. |
I have a large stash of ammo, but mine's more for Bulletfest than TEOTWAWKI....  |
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Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I don't think anyone looks forward to SHTF; much less having to take the life of another human and the way you asked the question makes me think that you don't take advanced prep for emergencies very seriously. My personal experience with SHTF is that food, water, and communications are used much more often than are arms. The next street riot is only a court decision away. The next hurricane, tornado, flood, deep snowfall, earthquake, terror event, Three Mile Island incident, or whatever, generally don't give notice so you can run to the store for milk and bread. What does "Major, Alabama State Defense Force" mean? |
Food, water and shelter. Are going to be much higher on you prioritys list. Its really hard to eat 10,000 rounds of .223. And before you say, Well I got the guns and the ammo Ill just take it... EEEEE Wrong answer. Yup too much armchair commando, Airsoft playing, Counter strike wana bees. 
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Most people I would asume start out small and try to cover the basics. That I can understand. Everyone should have some preparations. So part of it is simply planning. Some of it is just fun. People who stock supplies planning for TEOTWAWKI spend lots of time doing this. Many really enjoy it. Some of it is fantasy. I mean think of the movie Red Dawn. It's very unlikely but still fascinating. And sometimes this sort of SHTF planning can be very helpful. I doubt anyone ever has to fend off a division of Russian troops, but their stash of supplies might come in handy when an icestorm takes out their power for a week and they are stranded. Survivalists will fair much better than your average unprepared sheep in this sort of situation. -CH |
The Neutral Observer isn't a survivalist, but The Neutral Observer has learned the value of self-reliance. The Neutral Observer uses the term "preparedness" to justify getting things he'd like to get anyway, be it a large stockpile of firearms and ammunition, building a cool 4x4, moving to the sticks, etc. |
i just call it being prepared! shtf doesnt just pretain to killing zombies or invadeing armies of blue helmets. Same goes for bugging out. Any natl. disaster is a shtf,any tragic event,,attack,, or bio/chem leak,spill in your area. being prepared keeps you from wastein time tryin to get yer ass out the door. Now i dont see whats wrong with useing a 38, but then again thats just me! |
I don't believe that I'm even going to need the 2000+ rounds of various ammunition that I have now, yet I'll continue to buy more, because I like to shoot - a lot. The other stuff (food, water, generator, BOV, BOB) is for a purpose. We had four major hurricanes here last year, and for many people, thankfully not me, it WAS a shtf situation. Many could not make it without someone coming by daily to keep them fed and watered like cattle. Looting was rampant. Hunger and danger everywhere. This was only for a short time comparatively speaking to a true TEOTWAWKI situation, but as has been stated before, "Chance favors the prepared mind." 
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greenville--'ghetto' area, north side  --work/reside at/by our corner store
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NO.
Well, I have had the occasional zombie dream. 
No, but I do have a boring job...
No. Maybe .223 and 45ACP, just kidding!
Better to be safe than sorry. 'SHTF' doesn't have to be a major emergency like zombies or aliens invading the nation. Could be something as simple as a natural disaster or a disaster of human design. Doesn't take much to cause minor break downs in such an integrated world and it definitely doesn't take much to make the sheeple start acting squirrely. |
| There is absolutely nothing wrong with being well prepared, but in my reading in certain threads there are clearly people that seem to look forward to some serious gunplay in SHTF scenarios. I don't mean protecting themselves from a burglar or defending their family - I mean they write with a style and zeal that shows their very positive anticipation of a gun battle with large numbers of well-armed, highly motivated foes....as if they will be quite disappointed if it doesn't happen. I for one don't get it. |
One of the tactics of the gun grabbers is to restrict ammo. I think that's a good enough reason to stock pile ammo. The second reason is that the availability of surplus ammo is hit or miss. If you can get a good deal on a good lot of ammo, it's better to pick it up and "stockpile" it for later than to pay the premium prices later. |
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S hits the F all the time. There's hardly a week where we don't hear about another event here on this board. Lost of a job, divorce, huricane, floods, snow storm, loss of electrical power, earthquake and the rare riot. I've been through the World Series earthquake in San Francisco, the Battle for Seattle, and the Rodney King riots and the North Ridge earthquake of Los Angeles. S follows me around it would seem.  
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I prepare because,as the man of the house,it is my RESPONSIBILITY to ensure the safety and well being of my family.I will not willingly entrust their security to any stranger or agency.For that reason I have fire extinguishers on every floor and dutifully check the smoke detectors,ensure their vehicles are in top shape,have a generator,food and water.Own and train with weapons and teach them as well.For that reason I put part of my pay away in case of job loss or financial crisis.I consider the UN a threat to my Nation but consider invasion by any foreign force unlikely. I will fight the soft war now,I will teach my children and all who will listen the American way of self-reliance,love of freedom,and skill at arms.Teaching your children that along with freedom comes responsibility and sometimes sacrifice is the way to ensure our future.Taking your civic duty to vote and to be involved in the political proccess seriously and solemnly is better than hiding away in the hills and watching our freedoms fall while you grumble about the damn government.It is cowardly and unpatriotic to stand by and wait .Where would we be if the Founding Fathers were of this breed.They fought the soft war as long as they could before taking up arms. |
| In a SHTF scenario, consumables and luxuries will be good trading items if transportation lines are disrupted. Things like ammo, gasoline, gun powder, drugs, tobacco and alcohol could be rationed, restricted or prohibited if the government were to declare an emergency. Batteries could be worth a fortune as well, just depends on local supply and demand. |
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Well, the government thinks it's a good idea to be prepared. www.ready.gov When 9/11 happened, I saw a lot of people freak out, run the gas station and fill up everything they could. Uncertainty was the order of that day. Gas gouging was a normal event on 9/11. $5.00 a gallon in some stations. During a toxic spill 8 miles from my home, I bet you couldn't find a person who said, "I am glad I didn't by that gas mask." Everyone was running for their lives. During the LA riots, I would bet you couldn't find a store owner protecting their property saying, "boy, I have too much ammo". During the blackout in August 2003, there were firefights down by Detroit and I would bet, you couldn't find a store owner saying, "I have too much ammo". Luckly, during those 4 days, we had power, but seeing everyone without it, I could only speculate that our country would degredate into fights like you saw in the gas shortages in Arizona. Being prepared is first about being comfortable in harder situations, second about making sure you are less inconvienanced in the event of a longer term power outage, etc. And third about saving your life, your loved one's lives and your neighbors lives if it came to that. I have great faith within the people of this country. But my major concern is being without power for a couple of months because a terrorist flys a big plane into some nuke plants and takes down the power grid. I figure after a couple of months, we'd be back on line with some kind of power. Power runs out country and without it, no gas, no shopping, no going to work, no lights at work, ending in some form of marshall law. My other concern is an economic fallout where America takes such a hit that we can't recover from it. I don't have a clue why everyone says we are the richest country in the world. We are the most indebted country in the world. Debt, in my eyes, does not equal wealth. Plus, ammo prices will only go up, so if you can get a good deal on it, why not take advantage of it. You are going to shoot anyway, so why not get it at a good price?  |
well then please stay on that side of the country. I am still getting my BOB and Bug-in supplys ready. |
What's so bad about being cynical? especially in this context? |
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Hundreds of thousands of people purchase life insurance, health insurance, car insurance... Why? They hope that they never will have to use it, but are very glad they have it if the SHTF. For me, SHTF is my primary drive to purchase and stockpile weapons, learn about thier care and proper shooting, and of course, survival methods and tactics. I'll tell you a story about Y2K. A year before Y2K, I began stockpiling food, weapons, ammo, medical supplies, a beefy generator, and fuel. All and I do mean ALL of my packmates and acquaintances laughed at my efforts - clear up until the 31st of December 1999. Then, all of a sudden, they stopped laughing, and although nothing happened as a result of that whole scenario, ya want to know where each and every one of them were on New Years Eve - that's right, my den from about 5pm on. handed I'll tell you this though, my most important insurance policy is the $700-$1000 a month I have budgeted to purchase weapons, supplies, and ammunition - and I am happy to say, this site is a wonderful resource for information and guidance. Although I have been posting only recently, I have been lurking for some time, learning an incredible amount from you folks. So much so in fact that I paid to become a team member. Thanks to all. Howls, Ice-Wolf |
+1 Well said. 
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Better to have it and never need it, then to need it and not have it. The generator ran for a week in the last ice storm and it was NICE having heat, TV, hot showers, coffee, hot food, while the unprepareds walked around looking like greasy nasty bums. Makes you realize some of the pretty women are real dogs without 3 hours of makeup assembly a day. 
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It's a hobby that has a practical end (to me).. I like the tactical gear, and I like to collect guns. I don't think it is crazy to have a few cases of MREs, a few cases of canned goods and water jugs (rotated) hanging around..ditto on laterns and batteries, protective gear, BOB's and so on.. Having a few hundred rounds of ammo on hand at any given time isn't a bad idea either...what's the big deal? |
