[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Predator, what weapon question. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/19/2005 10:15:46 PM EDT
What weapon did Sgt Mac Elliot, played by Bill Duke, carry in the movie Predator? Anyone know ?
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That was the coolest gun seen Hollywood ever made! They compleetly cut the forrest down! Are hand held mini guns used like that in real life or are they only used in Arnold's movies? You would have to be a pretty big guy to lug it around and the ammo to feed it. |
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This shit will make you a god-damn sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me! I just heard on the radio today he was ranked by the people as the worst governor in MN history. hock.gif Edit for post .44 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/jbellamy50/de.jpg |
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Mac was carrying a M60 for most of the movie, the model with the forward pistol grip IIRC. I'm not up on my models of M60 to spit out the exact version... The man-portable minigun combo was cool but totally hollywood unless I'm sadly mistaken. Between the gun, power pack, and enough ammo to fire a few lousy bursts you'd be lugging around like 500 pounds of gun shit... |
The minigun used in Predator was supposed to be 7.62mm, but was firing blanks of a smaller caliber, I think .22lr. In real life, that would be a horrible weapon for a person to carry. One, it weighs a shitload. Two, that backpack only has enough ammunition for three seconds of gunfire, and that's being optimistic. Three, the recoil would knock you on your ass so fast you'd think you were in a time warp. As for the Sarge's weapon, he used an M-60 machine gun and a bowie-style knife. The guy who told pussy jokes and the black guy with the mustache carried MP5's, the indian dude had an M-16 with a 12-gauge shotgun attached, Ah-nold had an M-16 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher, and I forget what the other guy had. It's been too long since I've seen the movie. The Predator had twin wrist-mounted blades and a phased plasma rifle with 40-watt range. |
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I think I know what your talking about. The mini Gatling gun? The thing is at the time hollywood got sued for making and filming that weapon cause it was impossiable. I herd it from somewhere. Looking for the sight now. EDIT:  
Modern Firearms Gatling guns |
Somebody was bullshitting you! Hollywoo sued for making a movie about something impossible? 
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Why would you be sued for making an impossible weapon? Why don't we sue Star Wars for making impossible species, weapons, and vehicles? 
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Read before you post.. 
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A couple things about the M134 Jesse used in the movie. For one, it was a real deal GE M134. Special barrels were used, but only to increase the muzzle flash. Since it is electrically powered, it doesn't use the power of the round itself to cycle the action and has no need for a blank fire adapter such as the M16. The part about wearing a bullet proof vest is also untrue. The weapon ejects downwards and to the left. At most he probably had some shin guards and steel-toed boots. In case any of you are wondering what happened to the gun used in Predator, here is a pic I took at a previous private FA shoot. Usuallu she has an EOTech mounted on top, but this was taken while it was still being setup. http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0488.JPG |
A mini-gun or gattling gun requires a few things. Autonomous power source, large amount of ammo, and the gun itself would weigh and obscene amount. Recoil and controlability not withstanding 200lbs easily. evev if you made them in pistol calibres the thing would still be to heavy and uncontrollable to employ effectively as a weapon. Their cyclic rate is insane couple thousand rounds a minute, hense multiple barrels. But a question to the armorers and gunsmiths. Is a 3-barrell belt-fed minigun with a 900-1200 rdpm cyclic rate in say 5.56 possible while still being able to employ with a single operator? Theoretically is it possible? |
No. A Minigun is externally powered, which is one thing that makes it shoot so fast. And, if it encounters a misfire, it won't jam. Instead it kicks out the unfired cartridge and keeps rolling. A human might actually carry the gun, but the ammo would totally weigh you down. Then you would need a power source for the weapon, and that would add yet more weight. |
This is the EXACT gun from the movie? Who owns it now and how did they get it? |
| Yes, the exact gun from the movie. A few years ago one of the movie companies was selling it another with another, I beleive from the matrix. Wanted something in the range of $200k for it, or trades, so he traded nearly 40 various small arms for it. Many of those were full auto. Haven't talked to the owner since I shot that last which was in May of '03 so some of the exact details are fuzzy, but one tihng I do remember clearly is the certificate of authenticity. |
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Oh, don't worry about whether or not she gets used. The only reason we stopped putting rounds downrange that day was because a cotter pin on the bolt broke after about 10k rounds. Fun while it lasted though. http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0516.JPG |
Looks like there are a couple different size shells on the ground. What round is that chambered in? How fast was it set up to shoot. Did the owner have to jump through hoops to be able to legaly buy it? That is a dream of mine, to be able to fire a mini gun some day! |
| Differant shells from differant toys, M134 is chanbered in .308. If you guys want I can host some pics of some other fun stuff I get to play with for free, including weapons requiring a letterhead to purchase, either in this thread or a seperate thread if that would be easier. |
Heck yeah! This is some cool s***!!! Have any idea where a regular guy can get an up close look and maybe a quick shot on one of these Mini's? 
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Ok, if you guys want to see I guess I'll have to show. http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0487.JPG http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0502.JPG http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0504.JPG http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0507.JPG (trust me, it's an 18) http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0505.JPG http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0649.JPG http://members.cox.net/dodsniperman/PIC_0650.JPG So did I mention I'm only 17? |
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Screen caps.... Blain and his gun  Mac and his M60 (dunno what version he had, maybe a E2?  Billy's M16A2 with a 870? 12 guage pump underneath  The other side. His receiver didn't even have the "fence" protection for the mag release, or a forward assist, or a shell deflector!!!! 
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Where did you find all of these? No way you are only 17! If so these are dadies guns! Pretty sweet stuff! Is that a SIG 550? Is that TW25B gun grease in that picture with the AK? When do you guys go to shoots? I'll have to try to make it if they are open to the public. Cool stuff man! 
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Okay, I'll go out on a limb here and assume you really don't know and are asking an honest question.. Besides the fact that a mingun, on SLOW speed, has a ROF of 3000 rpm and, as such, that huge backpack of ammo Jesse was carrying whould last about, oh, 4-5 seconds.. The minigun is ELECTRICALLY OPERATED. You'd need 24 volts to make it run, so in addition to the weight of the ammo  , and the killer recoil, you'd need to be lugging around two truck batteries and some heavy cabling.That shit doesn't even work in Hollywood, it's all for show... 
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| As I mentioned, all those are friends guns. It's better that way anyway, all the ammo is free. The sig is a 552(I think? Never actually shot that one) As for what is in the pic with the AK, I'm not sure as again they are friends guns. I doubt these shoots will ever go public, it's just friends that go and we like to keep it to a somewhat low number. Hopefully I will have more pics soon, my cousin is trying to plan the next shoot. |
Thanks again man! Cool stuff! |
That minigun was modified for the movies by Stembridge Gun Rentals. I know some guys who worked there and were involved in the project. The minigun used in The Matrix was a different modified minigun than the one used in Predator and Terminator 2. Stembridge closed shop and liquidated their inventory a few years ago and a lot of these movie guns ended up in the hands of private collectors. Some went to museums, which is where I think the one in Predator and T2 ended up. |
As I said the other gun being sold was from the Matrix, which means it was a seperate gun from this one. The one from T2 probably did end up in a museum, but the one from Predator most definetly did not. As for the modifications, I have also said that the only modifications made to the guns were barrels made to produce more muzzle flash for the movie. Other than that, and of course the cosmetic changes, it was and still is a fully functional GE M134. |
Not an A2, just A2 handguards. SGN is a Mossberg/Maverick 500. // Recoil is one concern with the M134. Muzzle climb is a much greater one. Every held a gyroscope? Theatrical blanks aren't for function, they're for big flash. Movie cameras aren't so hot at recording normal flash. |
Here's an exchange I had a couple of weeks ago with Monty of Monty's Miniguns Witt Sullivan <wittzo@***.net> wrote: I read an article in a gun magazine 10 or more years ago about some guys that were shooting miniguns from the hip. The article had pictures of these cornfed big guys shooting them. I can't remember if they were firing them at their full rate of fire and I can't remember if they were 5.56 or 7.62. I did some searching for the pictures on the Internet, but so far, no luck. This isn't for cool, Hollywood movie nonsense, it's more along the lines of fun with guns, I would like to have pictures or at least some confirmation. From: Monty <[email protected]> Witt, the .223 guns are really rare I doubt it was those since there are alot more of the 7.62 (.30)'s out there So lets say it was the 7.62 mini. First off there are alot of variables that come into play, ROF, Rate Of Fire will directly effect recoil forces as well as the weight of the ammo used. My personal opinion, YES if you find someone in excess of 300 lbs & very strong. (Stupid helps too) using regular ammo & at a ROF of 3000 or less it Possibly could be done. If you made some kind of "Stock" like a pad for the back of the gun that could rest it back against your leg It Probably could be done Now the big question, would it be safe, Hell No & I already know of one person that died at Knob Creek in a minigun accident that was a direct result of underestimating the recoil of these guns. I don't have any pictures myself of anyone doing this & if I did I probably would not put it up as to encourage others to try it.. Just because you can afford a minigun does not mean you have the common sense to use one & I know, I have talked to a few of them.. So, in answer to your question, Yes... But I would not suggest anyone ever try & I strongly advise people not to.. Thanks for your inquiry, Monty |
Imma call typo here..
someone sued an inanimate object? I doubt it..
mee how much better that looks? (and how much more sense it makes?) transposing 2 letters makes a world of difference.. |
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Ok I got two questions now. 1.On Billy`s M16/Shotgun combo what is holding the the shotgun onto the M16? 2.Poncho (not the white guy that told the pussy jokes) had a MP5 and some kind of revolving grenade launcher. Was there a real G/L like that outside of hollyweird? Thanks |
1>crazy glue? actually I dunno, but I'd guess either a sililar setup as an M-203 (but its got regular handguards, so I doubt it. OR they just attached the 12Ga. to the rifle barrel using those adapters used primarily for attaching a flashlight to a rifle barrel, or used for mounting a tube extension on shotguns.. 2>  40mm rotary launcher, thers a couple different makes/models.. |
