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AR15.COM
12/26/2004 2:35:48 PM EDT
On radios, CD players, etc. there is always a declaration that the product is in
compliance with  part 15 of FCC rules and "subject to the following two conditions:
(1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and(2) This device must accept
any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation."

Anyone know the reason for condition (2)? Why can't manufacturers shield their products
from undesired interference?
12/26/2004 2:58:29 PM EDT
[#1]
This is to prevent stray radio frequency radiation from interefering with radio/TV receptions. When my daughter has her desktop computer on, I get a slight amount of video snow on my TV. The FCC don't want computers to interfer with their reception. In the past, older computers were shielded like today's computers, and if the FCC finds out the manufacturing company can be fined pretty heavily, so almost all of them try to comply with the FCC regs.
12/26/2004 2:59:30 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
On radios, CD players, etc. there is always a declaration that the product is in
compliance with  part 15 of FCC rules and "subject to the following two conditions:
(1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and(2) This device must accept
any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation."

Anyone know the reason for condition (2)? Why can't manufacturers shield their products
from undesired interference?



Well, actually they can shield their products from interference if they want to, but if they don't, they can't sue the manufacturer of another product that causes interference with their product.  That's basically what part 2 of that rule says.
12/26/2004 3:06:22 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
On radios, CD players, etc. there is always a declaration that the product is in
compliance with  part 15 of FCC rules and "subject to the following two conditions:
(1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and(2) This device must accept
any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation."

Anyone know the reason for condition (2)? Why can't manufacturers shield their products
from undesired interference?



Well, actually they can shield their products from interference if they want to, but if they don't, they can't sue the manufacturer of another product that causes interference with their product.  That's basically what part 2 of that rule says.



Yup. Whats its saying is that if some other device causes interferance, you have no legal recourse via the FCC..its up to you to resovle it.

For example I am a ham radio operator. If I run my station according to regulations and meet the requiremnts for spectral purity im my transmissions and it still cause my neighbors TV to look crazy, its up to them to buy a better TV or shield thiers better.
12/26/2004 3:09:16 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks. Paranoia condition has gone from orange back down to yellow.
12/26/2004 3:11:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Learn something new every day...thanks guys


Sgat1r5
12/26/2004 3:14:55 PM EDT
[#6]
As an addition, if my nieghbor has a part 15 device that interferes with my licensed amatuer station, legally he must resolve the interference problem, doing whatever it takes to spot interfering with my operation.
12/26/2004 3:34:48 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
As an addition, if my nieghbor has a part 15 device that interferes with my licensed amatuer station, legally he must resolve the interference problem, doing whatever it takes to spot interfering with my operation.



Good summary.   This is exactly what it's for.  non-licensed vs licensed operation.

-luke
12/26/2004 9:42:36 PM EDT
[#8]
Got into a pissing match with the FCC a few years ago when we had some "powered up" CB'ers in the area, who kept bleeding over into out public safety band (150 Mhz).

The ditz @ FCC asked me "how do you know they're CB radios, sir? And what makes you think they're amplified?"

I replied "Well, when I turn on my CB to Ch 4, I can interfere with their transmissions. And, having had a CB license since 1978, and a Restricted Radio Telephone Permit since 1981, and, not being so blind as to ignore the 35' Yagi antenna on my neighbors house, and the 15 Db triple insulated gain antenna on several vehicles in the area, I suppose I'd just call it a lucky guess, based on experience, huh?"

"Oh, that, and the interference on my stereo, computer speakers, car radio, dispatch console... just a hunch that they're a little bit over the 4 1/2 watt max ouput power".

It was all I could do to keep from calling her "sweetheart", "babe", or "lil' Darlin'".

And not in the endearing way.
12/26/2004 10:10:58 PM EDT
[#9]
shielding is not perfect, and people also like their consumer electronics to be small and cute....
12/27/2004 5:50:02 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Got into a pissing match with the FCC a few years ago when we had some "powered up" CB'ers in the area, who kept bleeding over into out public safety band (150 Mhz).

The ditz @ FCC asked me "how do you know they're CB radios, sir? And what makes you think they're amplified?"

I replied "Well, when I turn on my CB to Ch 4, I can interfere with their transmissions. And, having had a CB license since 1978, and a Restricted Radio Telephone Permit since 1981, and, not being so blind as to ignore the 35' Yagi antenna on my neighbors house, and the 15 Db triple insulated gain antenna on several vehicles in the area, I suppose I'd just call it a lucky guess, based on experience, huh?"

"Oh, that, and the interference on my stereo, computer speakers, car radio, dispatch console... just a hunch that they're a little bit over the 4 1/2 watt max ouput power".

It was all I could do to keep from calling her "sweetheart", "babe", or "lil' Darlin'".

And not in the endearing way.



To get them to act the quickest way is to get a friend who is a pilot to complain of interferance on aircraft bands in the area to the FAA.... they will shove a boot up the FCC's ass.

The second fastest way is to  get the local ham operators on it..they will do the direction finding needed to show where teh signals are eminating, make records, take field strength readings nearby, and send it in.,... and the FCC usually acts much faster when someone has done most of the legwork for them.

The FCC has cracked down lately, both on operators but more on manufacturers and sekkers of illegal CB equipment. Some are being hit with some very hefty fines.
12/27/2004 5:51:21 AM EDT
[#11]

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shielding is not perfect, and people also like their consumer electronics to be small and cute....



And it costs money, and people want thier goods cheap.....