[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NATIVE AMERICANS (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/29/2004 8:19:14 PM EDT
The most ignorant statement on ARFcom? What a generalization!! I have never cried to the ACLU about being mistreated,not on food stamps,not on welfare, or any other public assistance and I don't live on "The Res"!! I don't make my own clothes from things I've killed,ride a horse to work,or worship the moon!! I don't have a ponytail,make my own medicine,or spend my summers on a dream walk!! Im a Native American ..I can trace my blood back 600 years Im educated..I have a BSN And currently in the process of entering a CRNA program(when finished my BASE sallary will be between 140-160K per yr) ex-Police/Narcotics officer ..6 years on duty.. non-alcoholic non-drug addict father,husband,brother..etc!! The question is....WHAT ARE YOU?? |
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I was just commenting on the sense of hopelessness and self-destructiveness found generally in Native American communities, esp. for the young. I was not saying every Native American individual is like that, so you should not take it as a comment on you personally, whom I do not know. |
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WTF?? Who posts shit like this?? Why would you post shit like this??I work with a bunch of Native Americans and as far as I can tell they have assimilated themselves quite nicely and are productive members of the community. Good post GFH. |
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I'll post this again..... magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0409/feature5/ |
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Looking back, it's always easy to see, that we should have killed all those sunjabitches when they showed up in their funny wooden boats. (wearing their pointy little tin hats) Might have saved us at least a couple of hundred years of bullshit.  Zen "This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine" |
Cleancut, I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're really as ignorant as your post suggests, but remember this...............WE were here first! White eyes came and took all that was dear and sacred to us. I'll pray for your soul. Peace, Dragonfire52 
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Hey - at least they chased off the Vikings, the ORIGINAL white settlers. According to the Vinland Sagas, part of the reason that Vikings abandoned their settlement in North America was because they didn't get along with the natives (there were other reasons for the failure of the settlement as well - but the Native Americans definitely gave them a hard time). |
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I don't know a lot of people (because I'm an acedmic and live like a hermit in the ivory tower), but one of my colleagues is full-blooded Native American, and one is part (half, I think) - and both are very successful professors at good schools. I don't know any Native Americans that are "in a rut" - but like I said in the other thread, I do get the impression that growing up on a reservation is a very tough thing, with very bad resources and very bad labor markets. |
I don't doubt reservations are a bad place to grow up...but it just makes me respect the folks more that get out of 'em and make something of themselves. 
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You were here first, I didnt know that you were alive four hundred years ago. Damn you are one old sonofabitch. |
( Viking sign, but, errrr... I'm not a Viking ....
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Absolutely!! The full-blooded Native American I know did grow up on the reservation (I'm pretty sure he is Oglala Sioux), and still made it to where he is today by his own persistence and smarts. |
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I think it's funny how people automatically stereotype people without first getting to know them first. I am proud to be a Cherokee, no one will ever and can ever take that from me. My cousin is deputy chief of the Cherokee tribe. I am very proud of him and my family. Get to know us first before you start stereotyping people, you might be shocked by how we really are. Thanks Arvin Cherokee |
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1/8th Athabaskan, my mom was heavily involved in rural advocacy for all native groups in Alaska. Yupik and Inuit eskimos, Athabaskan, Aleut, and Tglingit Indians. Kind of harsh for these folks to make the jump from one culture to another in just a generation or two. Nor should they be expected to shitcan their thousands of years of culture and heritage for Western ways at the drop of a hat. |
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Unfortunately, I know many a Pima that fit this same description. Odd part is that many of these Pimas are multi millionaires from state land leases for freeways through their sovereign land. IRA HAMILTON HAYES 1923 - 1955 Ira Hamilton Hayes is a full blood Pima Indian and was born in Sacaton, Arizona, on the Pima Reservation on Jan 12, 1923. His parents Joe E. and Nancy W. Hayes were both farming people. Ira Hayes was a noted World War ll hero. Although he had a normal childhood on his reservation, his life changed dramatically when war broke out and he joined the Marine Corps. After he completed courses under the U.S. Marine Corps Parachutist School at San Diego, California. He was lovingly dubbed "Chief Falling Cloud." Ira Hayes was assigned to a parachute battalion of the fleet Marine Force. By the beginning of 1945, he was part of the American invasion force that attacked the Japanese stronghold of Iwo Jima. On Feb. 23, 1945 to signal the end of Japanese control, Hayes and five other's raised the U. S. flag atop Mount Suribuchi on the island of Iwo Jima. Three of the six men were killed while raising the flag. This heroic act was photographed by Joe Rosenthal, and it transformed Ira Hayes' life for ever. Subsequently a commemorative postage stamp was created as well as bronze statue in Washington DC. President Franklin D. Roosevelt called the brave survivors of the flag raising back to the United States to aid a war bond drive. They were shuttled from one city to another for publicity purposes with questionable sincerity on the part of the American military. Ira Hayes asked to be sent back to the front lines, stating that "sometimes I wish that guy had never made that picture". At the conclusion of World War ll he returned to his reservation, disillusioned by what he felt was unwarranted adoration. He began to drink heavily resulting from well-meaning friends offering drink's in their appreciation of his "Heroism" . He was never able to get his life back in balance again. Ira Hayes died of exposure at the age of thirty-three on Jan, 24th 1955. He was memoralized by the Pima people and characterized as "a hero to everyone but himself". He is buried in Arlington Cemetery. He never married. |
The only people who are being asked/forced to shitcan their heritage and historic culture are Americans of European descent. |
Um, I did it in my own lifetime. Anyway, I'm not criticizing Native Americans. If they make it out that's great. I wish more of them did that. |
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What's wrong with "American Indian"? Native American to me just means someone who was born in America. I have great respect for American Indians. It always pisses me off when government tries to clamp down on Indian businesses because of some money or tax issue. Jesus Christ, leave them alone already! Running a business is one of the best thing you can do to keep yourself out of poverty, help others and contribute to society. |
I'll pipe up and tell you what I am.... A white male that got his ass repetedly kicked in high school by a bunch of This does not include all Native Americans. I know plenty that have gone off to be succesful. But I still have a very bad taste for them due to what I went through. |
How about Original Americans? States "Hey we were here first before the First Amercians arrived from Europe!" |
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Boy are we divisive. We all come from someplace other than North America. Our ancestors also came from someplace other than North America. All of our cultures displaced other cultures be it 200 years ago or 600 years ago. I have spent the last six years working in Bush Alaska and can attest to how the drugs and alcohol have devastated the local culture. I do not have faith that they will rebound unless they stop denying the problems. All of out prides and egos need to be put into check and we need to answer the problems. If we again choose to define each other by color or culture again then we deserve to fall. Knock the shit off and deal with the problems. Stop being divisive. Set a positive image and live a life of tolerance. I can trace my culture back hundreds of years to both North American and Europe. I have more than 200 credit hours and multiple degrees. I am an active full time senior police officer. I make more money than most. I have never done drugs. I do not drink alcohol. I am a brother, father and Husband. I am both Sioux and German. And I am an American by birth. |
So I guess you know the true meaning of "POW WOW" 
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Choctaw-Apache checking in... I don't care one rats behind what ya call me just don't call me late for supper!!! Personally I call myself Tony... Who cares about generalizations anyways... I mean if people don't see ME drunk, spending my $$$$ at the casino, smoking tax-free cigs, collecting welfare bucks, all the while sitting on my butt at the reservation they have to notice I don't fit their stereotype. |
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First off, I have some American Indian blood in me. I'm dam proud of it. Always have been. I hate the Native American term because it is meant to demean my european heritage and insinuate that they are more entitled to the riches and power of America than the rest of us(by this I mean all of us not living on reservations for the most part). While I am not generally to supportive of Clean Cuts rants he makes ssome valid points. There are horrible social problems on the reservations. I live in an area with quite a few reservations and those who reside there typically are quite bigoted against white people in spite of the fact that many of them have white blood. There are serious problems with alcohol, drugs, obesity, unemployment and crime. To deny that in some sort of miguided political correctness only perpetuates the social problems noted above. The American Indian community needs some serious introspection just as the Black community does(Bill Cosby is right on-I have lived in areas long term wher blacks outnumber whites. Some but not many of you would understand what that is like). the bottom line is that to turn your self esteem issues on another group in order to victimize your own group, engender guilt on others, or turn your hostility on others is misguided and will perpetuate the social problems which concern them. It gives an excuse. Certainly not all American Indians fit some kind of negative stereotype. I also am an example. So is my wife and my children. However these are real issues and they are major problems in the American Indian community. But I would also add that there is trash in every ethnic group. As an MD in a walk-in clinic which also provides free care I can tell you there are plenty of problems in the white trash segment of the population. I tell you, in all sincerity, that the one thing that needs to be changed most in the US is "entitlements"(God, I hate that word). It is the worst thing that has ever been instituted in this country and will bring about the end of our civilization if it continues unabated. It is a greater threat to America and freedom than AlQaeda, Sadam Hussein and Diane Feinstein. Until we realize that we will continue on the path to socialism and then despotism. |
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Come guys, ............. we're all Americans here. In these hard times lets not forget that. The enemy is out there. And they want to kill all Americans regardless of our race creed or color. Lets keep that in mind, ..... and respect and honor all Americans. (except for those fucking cabbage eating, drunken, Irish .... Bastards) Zen "This is my creed, there are many like it, but this one is racist" |
Those Cherokee, ....... those are the WORST. With their farming, and wooden houses, and civilized culture, and fine crafts and organized peaceful communities. They SUCK ASS!!! I really hate THEM. With their intelligent reasoning and ability to work out social problems. Ick! We aught to gather them all up and push them off of the land they rightfully own and drive them across the country to someplace only a rabid rat would want to live in. Somewhere flat without anything to see in any direction. Somewhere so windy that a decent man can't wear a fine hat without regreting it. Then, ...... then, .......... then we'll make a shitty musical about that place and drive everyone nuts with crappy show tunes for the next fifty years. "OOOOOOOOKlahoma where the wind come sweeping down the plaaaaaainnnn!" (wait a minute, didn't we alreay do all of that?) Zen "This is my blood, there aren't many like it, but this blood is mine" |
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Over, of all things.....MILK....goat's milk! In the spirit of trade and sharing the Vikings made the innocent mistake of sharing goats milk with the native folk. This made them VERY ILL as the Native American folk did not drink animal milk and so could not digest it. They subsequently believed that the Vik folk were trying to poison them! Toss in a language barrier to add to the confusion and whoopee!!! WHITE MAN GO HOME!!!  Now, where's me cabbage? |
Yeah, ...... those ignorant people are the WORST! Going around all ignorant and stuff spreading all of their ignorantness everywhere. How I HATE them and their ignoramousness. Not knowing about stuff and things in their ignoranting way. The're all the same those ignorant bastards, knowing not of what they speak about so ignorantly speaking about it. Ignorant BASTARDS! Zen "This is my ignorance, there are (unfortunately) many like it, but this one is mine" |
POTATO EATING BASTARD!!! (Zen shaking his fist) Go back to Ireland where you, ...... errrr your long dead ansestors , .... came from ..... Damn cabbage eating, whiskey drinking, potato havein', big bulbous nose havin', little funny burglar hat wearin', leprechan seein', big head havin', pot O gold chasin', Colin Farrel stealing all the hot women, Bono singin', IRISH BASTARDS!!!! God, how I hate the IRISH!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGG! (Zen's big fat headed irish face turning all red from exasperation) Zen "This is my potato, there are many like it, but this one doubles as my nose" |
Man, the day after St. Paddy's can make your eyes water...... |
I thought the Irish liked Haggis? I will submit that Haggis contains cabbage in part, but you gotta tell the Whole Truth here! |
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I am a person who lives within 20miles of the res, and brother you don't want to goto the bank or to WalMart on the first of the month. If the American Indian had not been so quick to sign up for free U.S. Government beef they would still be running the country. Welfare is the way to keep a goup of people from ever attaining control. We did it to the American Indian, We did it to the Black man, once we get Russia and other places addicted to U.S. corn we will control them also. |