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Today 12:53:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CTYC313][Edited]
Not familiar with the channel, but I find the topic interesting. I know a lot of people pointed to this as evidence that the oil viscosity was a problem and the change was supposed to fix it.

GM Changed the Oil. Engines Keep FAILING.
Today 1:03:52 PM EDT
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So potentially GM determined the wrong root cause?
Today 1:09:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Poor surface finish and wavyness in crankshaft bearing diameters, they have multiple issues to address it their manufacturing procedures
Today 1:09:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: heavy260][Edited] [#3]
Probably trace it back to bad surface finishes or poor assembly, I’m going with bad surface finishes. Changing viscosity was never going to fix it.
Today 1:10:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: heavy260][Edited] [#4]
D tapped
Today 1:11:00 PM EDT
[#5]
Originally Posted By jough43:
So potentially GM determined the wrong root cause?
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Oh, they didn't.  The oil was a hail Mary, cheap attempt at a remedy.
Today 1:11:06 PM EDT
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BMW had a similar fix on their M engines in the early 2000's but that actually solved the problem.
Today 1:12:49 PM EDT
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The change to thicker oil was only a band aid and they knew it wasn't going to fix the problem.  GM knew they could only make so many replacement engines per month so they were trying to buy some time.
Today 1:13:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jough43:
So potentially GM determined the wrong root cause?
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No.  


GM issued the wrong fix for the issue.

The root cause stayed the same.
Direction, not intention, determines destination.

Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Today 1:14:50 PM EDT
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Tribology, pico test, skidless profilometer. Bunch of sorcery in there.
Today 1:18:14 PM EDT
[#10]
The problem was supplier quality.  The oil change was a bandaid not a "fix".
Today 1:19:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By CTYC313:
Not familiar with the channel, but I find the topic interesting. I know a lot of people pointed to this as evidence that the oil viscosity was a problem and the change was supposed to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lVNS2j0qc
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Nobody that has ever machined and built an engine thought that oil viscosity would solve the problem.


Today 1:22:43 PM EDT
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GM is trying to sell Marvel Mystery Oil, lol.
"I would live this war one day at a time, and I promised myself that if I survived, I would find a small farm somewhere in the Pennsylvania countryside and spend the remainder of my life in quiet and peace.” - Richard Winters
Today 1:23:18 PM EDT
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No.  


GM issued the wrong fix for the issue.

The root cause stayed the same.
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A bright GM engineer identified the problem early on, then spent a year trying to explain it to retards in management, then after the retards in management realized just how big of a cluster fuck it was they spent a year trying to come up with a financially palatable solution.  

They never did.

So they designed a new engine and started the financial engineering required to hide the loss in the EV program.

All of this caused by a desire to save 10% on crank machining.


I just pulled all of that out of my ass, but if it happened exactly like that I wouldn't be shocked.
Today 1:32:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd341:
A bright GM engineer identified the problem early on, then spent a year trying to explain it to retards in management, then after the retards in management realized just how big of a cluster fuck it was they spent a year trying to come up with a financially palatable solution.  

They never did.

So they designed a new engine and started the financial engineering required to hide the loss in the EV program.

All of this caused by a desire to save 10% on crank machining.


I just pulled all of that out of my ass, but if it happened exactly like that I wouldn't be shocked.
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Wake up, wake up and smell the ashes.
Today 1:35:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CTYC313:
Not familiar with the channel, but I find the topic interesting. I know a lot of people pointed to this as evidence that the oil viscosity was a problem and the change was supposed to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lVNS2j0qc
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I have been watching Lake's channel for a while. I think he's legit.
Today 1:37:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RhinelandArms][Edited] [#16]
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011:
The problem was supplier quality.  The oil change was a bandaid not a "fix".
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Ya, they have to bring the crankshaft back in house as the OEM cant seem to solve it. A lot of the OEMs have sold out to holding companies the past 15 years and they have been gutted.
Today 1:38:28 PM EDT
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Pre-AFM/DOD LS engines will outlive us all.
Today 1:38:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



No.  


GM issued the wrong fix for the issue.

The root cause stayed the same.
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Originally Posted By jough43:
So potentially GM determined the wrong root cause?



No.  


GM issued the wrong fix for the issue.

The root cause stayed the same.
Was it a remedy, or was it cover?


Tertium non datur
Today 1:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittlePony][Edited] [#19]
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Originally Posted By jough43:
So potentially GM determined the wrong root cause?
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They know exactly what the problem is, they know exactly why it happened, they know exactly how to fix it and they know almost exactly how much it would cost.

They will not do it.

And if they do, most likely forced, as hyundai group has proven.

They will still make money on it.

Welcome to the new normal in the automotive world.
Twitter ID: @GattoSeh
Today 1:41:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Nobody that has ever machined and built an engine thought that oil viscosity would solve the problem.


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Originally Posted By xd341:
Originally Posted By CTYC313:
Not familiar with the channel, but I find the topic interesting. I know a lot of people pointed to this as evidence that the oil viscosity was a problem and the change was supposed to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lVNS2j0qc
Nobody that has ever machined and built an engine thought that oil viscosity would solve the problem.


In GD, viscosity is the root of all evil and mechanical/intellectual failure

Tertium non datur
Today 1:42:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity][Edited] [#21]
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Originally Posted By xd341:
A bright GM engineer identified the problem early on, then spent a year trying to explain it to retards in management, then after the retards in management realized just how big of a cluster fuck it was they spent a year trying to come up with a financially palatable solution.  

They never did.

So they designed a new engine and started the financial engineering required to hide the loss in the EV program.

All of this caused by a desire to save 10% on crank machining.


I just pulled all of that out of my ass, but if it happened exactly like that I wouldn't be shocked.
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



No.  


GM issued the wrong fix for the issue.

The root cause stayed the same.
A bright GM engineer identified the problem early on, then spent a year trying to explain it to retards in management, then after the retards in management realized just how big of a cluster fuck it was they spent a year trying to come up with a financially palatable solution.  

They never did.

So they designed a new engine and started the financial engineering required to hide the loss in the EV program.

All of this caused by a desire to save 10% on crank machining.


I just pulled all of that out of my ass, but if it happened exactly like that I wouldn't be shocked.
Better or worse than 2 iterations of ignition switches  under the same part number?


Tertium non datur
Today 1:42:44 PM EDT
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My dad's 2022 1500 5.3 with 22k overheated due to...wait for it...."bad head castings," which the dealer said was a known problem. I've rebuilt and repaired GM engines made from the early 60's through 2005 and never seen a bad head casting.  How colossally does GM have to fuck this up where they shit the bed on something they've been doing well for 60 years???
Today 1:43:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:


Ya, they have to bring the crankshaft back in house as the OEM cant seem to solve it. A lot of the OEMs have sold out to holding companies the past 15 years and they have been gutted.
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They know how, they just won't do it.

Too much money.
Twitter ID: @GattoSeh
Today 1:47:42 PM EDT
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Friend of mine bought and "built" a big ass jacked up Sierra Denali a few years ago. He is now in the process of offloading it before SHTF.

I'm seeing more and more of these trucks (and Tahoes/Suburbans) with the little Duramax. If I was buying a GMC truck I'd be looking at that engine and nothing else.

Problem is you can't get a good transmission with any of the options.

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