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Dual citizenship haters need not engage in this conversation. Through a parent? I'm hearing that new applicants are benefitting from the AI intake tools and additional processors over older applications. 9-12 months instead of 2-3 years. I'm submitting my mother's application this week. Once she obtains her citizenship then I can apply. That gets me around the language proficiency requirement applying directly through my grandfather. Our lawyer still says two years but I'm hoping these accounts I see on FB are going to become more the norm. They are supposed to be hiring another 40 processors by the end of the year. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: Dual citizenship haters need not engage in this conversation.  Good luck. Dual Canada/USA here. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: You must be new here Good luck. Dual Canada/USA here. Not new here, hence the warning.  I don't think I can apply for Canada. One line of my dad's family immigrated there from England but pretty sure it was before it was a British colony. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: Not new here, hence the warning. I don't think I can apply for Canada. One line of my dad's family immigrated there from England but pretty sure it was before it was a British colony. They opened it up within the last year or so, but I'm not sure how far back it goes. My great-grandfather was born there and I have all of the related birth certificates, but they've been inundated with applications since changing the law, and now there's apparently a three-year backlog. While it wouldn't be my motivation, seems like a lot of the folks applying now are leftists who have TDS, and ironically are trying to immigrate legally as opposed to crossing the border illegally, demanding housing and support payments, and then protesting the Canadian government while waving American flags in their streets. Nope, they are following all the rules for attaining citizenship so they can live and work there legally, and they don't see the irony. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I'll probably submit an application since I have all of the proof and the familial connections, but frankly, I don't even have the desire to visit there as a tourist. The Liberals have destroyed that country in the last decade. Absolutely destroyed it. I hope the same is not happening in Portugal, because I've never met anyone who traveled there who didn't absolutely love it. Best of luck. |
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I have no TDS, I'm only doing it to make travel easier (there are other benefits like free healthcare in Portugal). I was originally seeking Italian citizenship as I wanted to buy some property there as a possible part time retirement home but they f'd up their citizenship laws. AI tells me I am actually eligible for Canadian citizenship. Only hiccup there is my great great grandmother was born in Nova Scotia at a time when they did not have civil records of births (1880). Might be worth a little research once I get the Portuguese application in the works. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: I have no TDS, I'm only doing it to make travel easier (there are other benefits like free healthcare in Portugal). I was originally seeking Italian citizenship as I wanted to buy some property there as a possible part time retirement home but they f'd up their citizenship laws. AI tells me I am actually eligible for Canadian citizenship. Only hiccup there is my great great grandmother was born in Nova Scotia at a time when they did not have civil records of births (1880). Might be worth a little research once I get the Portuguese application in the works. Understood, and that's not what I was implying. I have dual citizenship with an EU country, so I'm not throwing rocks. I was referring specifically to the large volume of Americans applying for Canadian citizenship since the law changed late last year. Since then I've spent time in the Canadian citizenship section of Reddit and it's an absolute leftist circle jerk. But with respect to birth certificates, yes, that's a challenge since they weren't issued in many parts of Canada until the 1900s. For my great grandfather, I had to hunt down the Church in which he was baptized and find his entry in their records. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: They opened it up within the last year or so, but I'm not sure how far back it goes. My great-grandfather was born there and I have all of the related birth certificates, but they've been inundated with applications since changing the law, and now there's apparently a three-year backlog. While it wouldn't be my motivation, seems like a lot of the folks applying now are leftists who have TDS, and ironically are trying to immigrate legally as opposed to crossing the border illegally, demanding housing and support payments, and then protesting the Canadian government while waving American flags in their streets. Nope, they are following all the rules for attaining citizenship so they can live and work there legally, and they don't see the irony. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I'll probably submit an application since I have all of the proof and the familial connections, but frankly, I don't even have the desire to visit there as a tourist. The Liberals have destroyed that country in the last decade. Absolutely destroyed it. I hope the same is not happening in Portugal, because I've never met anyone who traveled there who didn't absolutely love it. Best of luck. I wish I could. I'm fluent in Portuguese and spent a lot of time there but I have no familial ties so probably not easy for me despite having had residency there in the past. |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: I wish I could. I'm fluent in Portuguese and spent a lot of time there but I have no familial ties so probably not easy for me despite having had residency there in the past. For years they had an investment option, but I'm not sure if it's still available. |
| Have not, but I wouldn't mind living there. I like Portugal and my wife's family was one of the Portuguese who left there to work in Hawaii. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Understood, and that's not what I was implying. I have dual citizenship with an EU country, so I'm not throwing rocks. I was referring specifically to the large volume of Americans applying for Canadian citizenship since the law changed late last year. Since then I've spent time in the Canadian citizenship section of Reddit and it's an absolute leftist circle jerk. But with respect to birth certificates, yes, that's a challenge since they weren't issued in many parts of Canada until the 1900s. For my great grandfather, I had to hunt down the Church in which he was baptized and find his entry in their records. I was able to find my great, great grandmother listed on the 1881 Canadian census which seems to be sufficient proof. She immigrated to the US 20 years later and married in Massachusetts. I'm quite comfortable gathering docs from there. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: How far back? You can apply through a grandparent with an A2 language proficiency. Originally Posted By medicmandan: Originally Posted By Strela: Have not, but I wouldn't mind living there. I like Portugal and my wife's family was one of the Portuguese who left there to work in Hawaii. How far back? You can apply through a grandparent with an A2 language proficiency. She qualifies, but that's not the issue. We have other considerations preventing such a move. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: How far back? You can apply through a grandparent with an A2 language proficiency. Want to adopt me so I can get mine done easily!? I’ve got a C1 proficiency so I’ll teach you to A2 in exchange 
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: Want to adopt me so I can get mine done easily!? I’ve got a C1 proficiency so I’ll teach you to A2 in exchange Well, give me a few years to get mine wrapped up and then we can talk. I was already learning Italian while working on Italian citizenship. Once I can get to a B2 there I'm going to start on Portuguese. It's a strange dynamic. My grandfather spoke five languages. Would not allow Portuguese (his language) or Italian (my grandmother's language) to be spoken at home. English only. They lived in a very immigrant heavy neighborhood in Mass. When people would try to talk to him in other languages he would respond in English saying they are in America now. Here I am, 80 years later learning their languages and affirming citizenship in their home countries. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: Well, give me a few years to get mine wrapped up and then we can talk. I was already learning Italian while working on Italian citizenship. Once I can get to a B2 there I'm going to start on Portuguese. It's a strange dynamic. My grandfather spoke five languages. Would not allow Portuguese (his language) or Italian (my grandmother's language) to be spoken at home. English only. They lived in a very immigrant heavy neighborhood in Mass. When people would try to talk to him in other languages he would respond in English saying they are in America now. Here I am, 80 years later learning their languages and affirming citizenship in their home countries. 
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Originally Posted By boltryyder: dual citizenship should not be permitted 
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I love and have served the USA faithfully and proudly as a contractor. I am also proud to be a Scot, and a UK citizen by birth. My maternal Grandfather was a Royal Marine, and I served alongside Brits as a contractor in Afghanistan working for USSOCOM and CJSOTF-A. Their losses were our losses, and ours, theirs. The only benefit of UK citizenship for me is to be able to go to the UK without a visa. I can't apply for a visa in the first place as I was born there. "Place of Birth: UNITED KINGDOM" in my US Passport would be a big red flag and I wouldn't be allowed onto the plane. I am having to get a copy of my UK birth certificate and go to the UK Visa and Immigration office of the UK consulate (luckily only about 45 minutes from my little fishing village in Cebu) to get a "Certificate of Entitlement for Right of Abode" in my US Passport. That would allow me to live and work in the UK and FINALLY get my MSyI certification, now that I am retired. But most importantly, I can go to the UK next year and see my mates from Asscrackistan after over a decade. We've lost a few along the way, so I'm sure there are going to be more than a few alcohol-induced tears as well.I have ZERO desire to ever live there after what I have seen done to their country. But getting the citizenship squared away and documented is the only way I can visit. Now, we can discuss me being a commissioned officer in the Philippine Coast Guard Auxiliary (THIS should rustle some jimmies! ) (ETA: It's an unarmed NGO under the PCG, not an armed force in and of itself) 
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: We know a French couple in Ohio whose teenage son is doing this to them. They speak to him in French and he answers in English, drives them nuts Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: Originally Posted By medicmandan: Well, give me a few years to get mine wrapped up and then we can talk. I was already learning Italian while working on Italian citizenship. Once I can get to a B2 there I'm going to start on Portuguese. It's a strange dynamic. My grandfather spoke five languages. Would not allow Portuguese (his language) or Italian (my grandmother's language) to be spoken at home. English only. They lived in a very immigrant heavy neighborhood in Mass. When people would try to talk to him in other languages he would respond in English saying they are in America now. Here I am, 80 years later learning their languages and affirming citizenship in their home countries. My grandparents were a little like this. I don't think they didn't allow German to be spoken I'm the house (they were Austrian), but didn't teach it to my father or his siblings. Then again, outside of NASA, being Germanic in the 1950's probably didnt make you very popular... |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: We know a French couple in Ohio whose teenage son is doing this to them. They speak to him in French and he answers in English, drives them nuts Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: Originally Posted By medicmandan: Well, give me a few years to get mine wrapped up and then we can talk. I was already learning Italian while working on Italian citizenship. Once I can get to a B2 there I'm going to start on Portuguese. It's a strange dynamic. My grandfather spoke five languages. Would not allow Portuguese (his language) or Italian (my grandmother's language) to be spoken at home. English only. They lived in a very immigrant heavy neighborhood in Mass. When people would try to talk to him in other languages he would respond in English saying they are in America now. Here I am, 80 years later learning their languages and affirming citizenship in their home countries. That used to be the normal immigrant experience. My mother spoke only Chinese until she was five, then pretty much never spoke it again. Her parents continued to speak to her in Chinese decades later and she would answer in English. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: Dual citizenship haters need not engage in this conversation. Through a parent? I'm hearing that new applicants are benefitting from the AI intake tools and additional processors over older applications. 9-12 months instead of 2-3 years. I'm submitting my mother's application this week. Once she obtains her citizenship then I can apply. That gets me around the language proficiency requirement applying directly through my grandfather. Our lawyer still says two years but I'm hoping these accounts I see on FB are going to become more the norm. They are supposed to be hiring another 40 processors by the end of the year. Are you anywhere near military age? Because it looks like you'll become a citizen just in time for the Euro-wide draft. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: I wonder if there is enough interest in foreign living among inhabitants of the ARFcom community to justify an subforum dedicated to expats. Perhaps it would be possible to have conversations with minimal knee-jerk jingoistic commentary. I don’t see an expat the same as a person having or seeking dual citizenship. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: We know a French couple in Ohio whose teenage son is doing this to them. They speak to him in French and he answers in English, drives them nuts I worked at a nuclear facility where several French Engineers and their families were brought in for a five year contract. When the contract was finally finished the kids did not want to leave. One of the boys learned to play baseball and was a star on his high school team. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I don’t see an expat the same as a person having or seeking dual citizenship. Perhaps not, but both deal with similar issues navigating foreign rules and laws. There is at least some overlap and the experiences of one could be useful to the other. But more to my thought, is the idea that a tech forum/subforum might provide a quieter space to discuss issues involving legal status and/or residency in another country. Realistically, it's probably a dumb idea. I can't imagine there would be much interest or participation. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Perhaps not, but both deal with similar issues navigating foreign rules and laws. There is at least some overlap and the experiences of one could be useful to the other. But more to my thought, is the idea that a tech forum/subforum might provide a quieter space to discuss issues involving legal status and/or residency in another country. Unlike the OP's red text disclaimer, a tech forum might have a moderator who could enforce rules. Agree in principle, I will leave my thoughts about expats out of this one  The vehement opposition that some people have to dual citizenship is pretty weird and IMO pretty baseless. It’s perfectly possible to possess and maintain allegiance to the US. |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: Dual citizenship haters need not engage in this conversation. Through a parent? I'm hearing that new applicants are benefitting from the AI intake tools and additional processors over older applications. 9-12 months instead of 2-3 years. I'm submitting my mother's application this week. Once she obtains her citizenship then I can apply. That gets me around the language proficiency requirement applying directly through my grandfather. Our lawyer still says two years but I'm hoping these accounts I see on FB are going to become more the norm. They are supposed to be hiring another 40 processors by the end of the year. Run, and don't come back. Many better legal immigrants are anxious to replace you. |
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I got my Romanian dual citizenship last year. Took about 9 months. I did hire a lawyer in Bucharest that specializes in it. I just needed to prove my great grandfather was born there and never renounced his heritage. No language requirement for Romania. Having a EU and US passport allows 190-ish countries I can travel to visa free. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: They opened it up within the last year or so, but I'm not sure how far back it goes. My great-grandfather was born there and I have all of the related birth certificates, but they've been inundated with applications since changing the law, and now there's apparently a three-year backlog. While it wouldn't be my motivation, seems like a lot of the folks applying now are leftists who have TDS, and ironically are trying to immigrate legally as opposed to crossing the border illegally, demanding housing and support payments, and then protesting the Canadian government while waving American flags in their streets. Nope, they are following all the rules for attaining citizenship so they can live and work there legally, and they don't see the irony. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I'll probably submit an application since I have all of the proof and the familial connections, but frankly, I don't even have the desire to visit there as a tourist. The Liberals have destroyed that country in the last decade. Absolutely destroyed it. I hope the same is not happening in Portugal, because I've never met anyone who traveled there who didn't absolutely love it. Best of luck. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: For years they had an investment option, but I'm not sure if it's still available. The Golden Visa is largely shut down. But foreigners can still own a house in Portugal if you want and a mortgage there just requires a 30-40% down payment +7.5% foreign transfer fee. Mortgage rates are pretty low over there at under 4% for fixed rate. You can also stay there for 90 days every 180 days on just a US passport so even with citizenship excluded, you could do it only on a passport. |
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Originally Posted By kpel308: I love and have served the USA faithfully and proudly as a contractor. I am also proud to be a Scot, and a UK citizen by birth. My maternal Grandfather was a Royal Marine, and I served alongside Brits as a contractor in Afghanistan working for USSOCOM and CJSOTF-A. Their losses were our losses, and ours, theirs. The only benefit of UK citizenship for me is to be able to go to the UK without a visa. I can't apply for a visa in the first place as I was born there. "Place of Birth: UNITED KINGDOM" in my US Passport would be a big red flag and I wouldn't be allowed onto the plane. I am having to get a copy of my UK birth certificate and go to the UK Visa and Immigration office of the UK consulate (luckily only about 45 minutes from my little fishing village in Cebu) to get a "Certificate of Entitlement for Right of Abode" in my US Passport. That would allow me to live and work in the UK and FINALLY get my MSyI certification, now that I am retired. But most importantly, I can go to the UK next year and see my mates from Asscrackistan after over a decade. We've lost a few along the way, so I'm sure there are going to be more than a few alcohol-induced tears as well.I have ZERO desire to ever live there after what I have seen done to their country. But getting the citizenship squared away and documented is the only way I can visit. Now, we can discuss me being a commissioned officer in the Philippine Coast Guard Auxiliary (THIS should rustle some jimmies! ) (ETA: It's an unarmed NGO under the PCG, not an armed force in and of itself) http://scontent.fceb1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344553602_759268589206756_1092694987832291359_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_tt6&cstp=mx729x726&ctp=s729x726&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=6ee11a&_nc_eui2=AeETWWICdoJ6E9wkl3ZGCxVfZ_kKFEFgbydn-QoUQWBvJy2LQ0h6alQaQszxeGOOeyk&_nc_ohc=dZDCpciGOYYQ7kNvwHFlFU-&_nc_oc=AdpLVimZlmmeIQDv6HQqWGBqmOrKI1ZDHhMFmtgKdBUJWAGJL4CibvyPhqdf0ERPaf0&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fceb1-1.fna&_nc_gid=LuvFNwtME3IwoE5oDrLK-A&_nc_ss=7b2a8&oh=00_AQK5bpRNszSr33Yb1-dZZSS9luiGDInMqGgsQv4KUNTZKw&oe=6AB6A299 Rofl...Philippine boat civil air patrol? 
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Originally Posted By ag04blast: This thread is going exactly how I would expect in GD. OP I cannot help you, but the wife and I are headed to Porto next spring and we cant wait! Its a beautiful place. I lived there for about 6 months. Sitting by the ribeira at night and enjoying some food and the music along the rio Douro as the sun sets is a core memory for me. |
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Originally Posted By NAM: Rofl...Philippine boat civil air patrol? https://media4.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/200.webp?cid=8dc8958cm0otnu5xka16lw0vp38ukbnwxjf12km0qfd53sum&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g Pretty much, except it's all adults. There are a few other ex-pats in our squadron, mostly former merchant ship captains. We do a lot of community work. We helped organize a coastal cleanup this past weekend, are having a blood drive tomorrow, and for Undas (Halloween) when people travel to visit their dead relatives we will be helping the Coast Guard at the local passenger ferry ports. I was part of the medical and relief team that responded to the earthquake zone in San Remigio and Bogo City, where 3 Coast Guard personnel lost their lives in the quake in addition to many others. We also assisted during the flooding in Cebu last year that also killed many people.I enjoy helping folks. No salary, and we actually have to pay dues, etc. to participate. |
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Originally Posted By Couch-Commando: I looked into it. Your ancestors had to be a citizen of Canada when Canada became an independent country in the 40s. Ancestors who fled the dirty rebel lands down south after the Empire lost the war don't count. Note: the vast majority of my ancestors were rebels. Only one branch were tories. I'm definitely not an expert on this one, but from what I've seen, Bill C-3 that passed into law late last year blew the generational limit wide open, as long as you have definitive proof/records for each generation between you and your last Canadian-born ancestor, and I have seen folks approved whose last Canadian-born ancestor was born in the 1700s. Good sources for related info: https://immigration.ca/canadian-citizenship-by-descent-for-americans/ https://sh.reddit.com/r/Canadiancitizenship/wiki/index/ |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: I'm definitely not an expert on this one, but from what I've seen, Bill C-3 that passed into law late last year blew the generational limit wide open, as long as you have definitive proof/records for each generation between you and your last Canadian-born ancestor, and I have seen folks approved whose last Canadian-born ancestor was born in the 1700s. Good sources for related info: https://immigration.ca/canadian-citizenship-by-descent-for-americans/ https://sh.reddit.com/r/Canadiancitizenship/wiki/index/ I had AI run me a "what if" on this one last night and it looks like I am eligible. It wouldn't take me long to gather the documents to prove this one. They don't even want the originals and they don't have to be apostilled. |
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Originally Posted By liber45: Doesn't Ireland offer a similar citizenship by descent deal?  I think Ireland has tightened it up considerably in recent years and made it much harder. |
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Originally Posted By liber45: Doesn't Ireland offer a similar citizenship by descent deal? Yes, with limits. The Republic ended birthright citizenship in 2005, but if you were born before that, you are automatically a citizen if your parent was born anywhere on the island, including NI. You can apply for a passport with appropriate proof. If instead your parent was born abroad but your grandparent was born on the Island, you qualify for citizenship by descent. To pursue that status, you first apply for entry into the Foreign Birth Registry (FBR). Upon approval (after about a year), you are issued an FBR certificate, which establishes your citizenship. You can then apply for a passport. It stops there unless your parent had received their FBR certificate before you were born. It doesn't matter if they attain Irish citizenship after you were born; it's too late for subsequent generations at that point. And that restriction is in place for all future generations. First one to break the chain ends it for subsequent generations. There are other wrinkles, but that's about the size if it. Also of note, because you are not applying to become a citizen but are instead establishing that you already are or are entitled to it, there is no naturalization ceremony or any requirement to swear an oath of allegiance. They also don't have military conscription or require their citizens living abroad to pay taxes. The only two countries that do based purely on citizenship are the US and Eritrea. |
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Good luck OP. I’ve always wanted to go to Portugal, especially for the seafood. I’d like to have a dual with Scotland. I can prove my Scottish lineage back to the 14th century, there’s even a town with my last name connected to that lineage, but because I don’t have a grandparent/parent, they say no. |
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