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Attached File I’m not that big a fan of Ayn Rand. But it does feel like a lot of people are getting together to stop the motor of the world right now. Attached File Attached File Wonder if they will be able to pull it off? This ought to stop those troublemakers dead in their tracks. Attached File |
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Galt was getting people with an inner monolog and ability to rotate the apple to stay home rather than work for the mandates of the state. Wyatt blew up his own oil company to keep it out of the hands of the state. He didn't blow up the other ones run into the ground by the government. |
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux: Galt was getting people with an inner monolog and ability to rotate the apple to stay home rather than work for the mandates of the state. Wyatt blew up his own oil company to keep it out of the hands of the state. He didn't blow up the other ones run into the ground by the government. |
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Originally Posted By Torf: Yep, it's a philosophical treatise about refusing to participate in one's own torture and destruction. It's not a "Who's Who" of total world domination. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Fossil fuels power the motor of the world. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I do not understand the OP. Is OP saying Iran is the motor of the world? When the US catches cold, the rest of the world gets cancer. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Fossil fuels power the motor of the world. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I do not understand the OP. Is OP saying Iran is the motor of the world? This is what I’m saying, about fossil fuels. Not that Iran is the motor of anything. Also I would say that Iran isn’t stopped just yet. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Dune was about oil and the middle east. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Torf: Yep, it's a philosophical treatise about refusing to participate in one's own torture and destruction. It's not a "Who's Who" of total world domination. Big if true |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Big if true Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Torf: Yep, it's a philosophical treatise about refusing to participate in one's own torture and destruction. It's not a "Who's Who" of total world domination. Big if true |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Inspired by TE Lawrence. Outsider leads desert tribes, teaches them new techniques. Oh, and the tribes are sitting on top of *the* necessary resource for transportation. Also the necessary resource for transportation works on people like a combination of cocaine and psilocybin. Attached File And because I like Dune memes… Attached File |
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It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. 
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. I'm not sure about that. With all of the plastics in use around the world, oil is part of that process. The nuclear plants would be great for sure, and if they get solar panels more efficient it would also help a lot. |
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Originally Posted By PoiDog: I'm not sure about that. With all of the plastics in use around the world, oil is part of that process. The nuclear plants would be great for sure, and if they get solar panels more efficient it would also help a lot. Originally Posted By PoiDog: Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. I'm not sure about that. With all of the plastics in use around the world, oil is part of that process. The nuclear plants would be great for sure, and if they get solar panels more efficient it would also help a lot. |
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. Not even close. Most people have no idea about oil and all its byproducts, its in everything from your clothes, to your food and medicine and everything else that is critical that you never have to worry about. Without oil there is no food, food packaging/processing, fertilizer and all the endless but ultra critical things it produces. Oil is the most vital thing for modern civilization, and it will never change. Anybody that says otherwise is either not aware of this... or they are and want something very different. |
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. And progress isn't "compounding." Moore's law isn't even a law, and it doesn't apply to anything but silicon based microprocessors. Lithium battery chemistry is about as far as it can be pushed, and lithium is the best we have as far as conventional chemistry and physics. I think silicon based PV have a little more headroom for development, but we would still need a breakthrough with a different technology to make solar viable with the land and transmission limitations that are available. Tldr there is no technology that can replace fossil fuels for transportation at a scale necessary to eliminate oil. One may show up, but you can't count on technological breakthroughs. And you certainly can't legislate them. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: How does intellect get implemented? Energy use. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Trump45: Intellect powers the motor of the world. It doesn't even require inventive genius like Galt or Wyatt. It just takes men of the mind who recognize immutable truth and refuse to succumb to nonsense. |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: And because I like Dune memes https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/C1B44B8C-4FC5-485D-82A4-0D2FD667CF30_jpe-3830392.JPG   |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Electrical storage technology will need a technological step change in order to replace diesel fuel in transportation. Remember that it's not just cars, it's ships, rail, aircraft, and trucks. And progress isn't "compounding." Moore's law isn't even a law, and it doesn't apply to anything but silicon based microprocessors. Lithium battery chemistry is about as far as it can be pushed, and lithium is the best we have as far as conventional chemistry and physics. I think silicon based PV have a little more headroom for development, but we would still need a breakthrough with a different technology to make solar viable with the land and transmission limitations that are available. Tldr there is no technology that can replace fossil fuels for transportation at a scale necessary to eliminate oil. One may show up, but you can't count on technological breakthroughs. And you certainly can't legislate them. True. And I believe Musk realizes the limitations of EV technology and his interest in the EV has waned because of it. It served its purpose to make him very wealthy, but those days are over. He's got his sights set on bigger things now. No, Lou isn't predicting the demise of Tesla as a business. |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: This is what I’m saying, about fossil fuels. Not that Iran is the motor of anything. Also I would say that Iran isn’t stopped just yet. Well, nobody's stopping sh*t wrt oil. Lots of countries have yuuuuge oil reserves, not just Iran. Comparisons are made ITT with the worm poop on Arrakis. Balderdash. The worms were the only source of spice in the known universe. On Earth, the worms pooped in lots of countries, and getting it is a whole lot easier. |
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Originally Posted By RhinelandArms: Not even close. Most people have no idea about oil and all its byproducts, its in everything from your clothes, to your food and medicine and everything else that is critical that you never have to worry about. Without oil there is no food, food packaging/processing, fertilizer and all the endless but ultra critical things it produces. Oil is the most vital thing for modern civilization, and it will never change. Anybody that says otherwise is either not aware of this... or they are and want something very different. Originally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. Not even close. Most people have no idea about oil and all its byproducts, its in everything from your clothes, to your food and medicine and everything else that is critical that you never have to worry about. Without oil there is no food, food packaging/processing, fertilizer and all the endless but ultra critical things it produces. Oil is the most vital thing for modern civilization, and it will never change. Anybody that says otherwise is either not aware of this... or they are and want something very different.  Landman | Tommy Explains Why Even Wind Turbines Depend on the Oil Industry (S1, E3) | Paramount+ |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Well, nobody's stopping sh*t wrt oil. Lots of countries have yuuuuge oil reserves, not just Iran. Comparisons are made ITT with the worm poop on Arrakis. Balderdash. The worms were the only source of spice in the known universe. On Earth, the worms pooped in lots of countries, and getting it is a whole lot easier. Ironically it was the 73 oil shock that propelled oil exploration in other locations and technological developments. Yes, *now* oil is everywhere, but it wasn't when Dune was written. (Well, it's always been everywhere, but not economical to extract.) And the middle east still exerts way more influence on the world than their population or culture can justify. |
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Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: Originally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By Dirtydog: It may not be in our lifetime, but nuclear and a much more efficient solar will probably replace fossils. And if progress keeps compounding, maybe sooner than later. Unless I'm misunderstanding the topic. Not even close. Most people have no idea about oil and all its byproducts, its in everything from your clothes, to your food and medicine and everything else that is critical that you never have to worry about. Without oil there is no food, food packaging/processing, fertilizer and all the endless but ultra critical things it produces. Oil is the most vital thing for modern civilization, and it will never change. Anybody that says otherwise is either not aware of this... or they are and want something very different.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFcSadly, he didn't also explain how the blades and tower are basically just tossed into a hole when they are scrapped, buried and will be there thousands of years later. They are end of life eco nightmares. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Dune was written in 1965, when US production was on the downswing and the middle east was the only other major source of oil. The 1973 embargo didn't stop the engine of the world but it slowed it down a whole lot. It basically fulfilled Dune's premise, and really did change world politics and the economy. Ironically it was the 73 oil shock that propelled oil exploration in other locations and technological developments. Yes, *now* oil is everywhere, but it wasn't when Dune was written. (Well, it's always been everywhere, but not economical to extract.) And the middle east still exerts way more influence on the world than their population or culture can justify. Wrong. So very wrong. The linked chart shows US production climbing in 1965 when Dune was written. It continued to climb to 1970, when it took a dip. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M Nevertheless, oil is not a relevant comparison with worm poop. Dune was a novel, and the author took some liberties to make it an interesting story. Which it was. At best, it's an allegory about the nature of monoplies on things that people need, or at least think they need. I'd say it's a better analogy about drug addiction, and drug cartels - Spice was a drug. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Sadly, he didn't also explain how the blades are basically just tossed into a hole when they are scrapped, buried and will be there thousands of years later. They are end of life eco nightmares. There’s a college near where I live that has a big turbine blade on display. It’s about the same size as a Falcon 9 rocket. I really wish it was a Falcon 9 instead of that thing. I’ve seen blade graveyards, it’s ridiculous. |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: There’s a college near where I live that has a big turbine blade on display. It’s about the same size as a Falcon 9 rocket. I really wish it was a Falcon 9 instead of that thing. I’ve seen blade graveyards, it’s ridiculous. I drive past the big wind farms on I-10 near Palm Springs from time to time. Yeah, those big blades just sitting there year after year. They look like giant whale bones bleached in the sun. How come the greenies don't sue or something? |
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Originally Posted By fxntime:When the US catches cold, the rest of the world gets cancer. 2:45  Prodigal Son |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Wrong. So very wrong. The linked chart shows US production climbing in 1965 when Dune was written. It continued to climb to 1970, when it took a dip. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M Nevertheless, oil is not a relevant comparison with worm poop. Dune was a novel, and the author took some liberties to make it an interesting story. Which it was. At best, it's an allegory about the nature of monoplies on things that people need, or at least think they need. I'd say it's a better analogy about drug addiction, and drug cartels - Spice was a drug. Herbert wrote at least one other novel about oil, set in the near future. Different theme overall, but based on oil scarcity and control. |
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Originally Posted By SystemFailCoreDump: When energy companies find a way to make as much money off of producing fuel oils from algae in the desert as they do pumping fossil fuels out of the ground, fossil fuels will become obsolete. The problem is now economics not science. There is at least one company setting up tertiary treatment processes at wastewater plants that use algae. You get cleaner water and algae as a result. I've seen it in action. Pretty neat. Last i heard about 10 years ago they were using it for making shoe soles. That might be changing. |
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Originally Posted By CameToTruth: There is at least one company setting up tertiary treatment processes at wastewater plants that use algae. You get cleaner water and algae as a result. I've seen it in action. Pretty neat. Last i heard about 10 years ago they were using it for making shoe soles. That might be changing. Originally Posted By CameToTruth: Originally Posted By SystemFailCoreDump: When energy companies find a way to make as much money off of producing fuel oils from algae in the desert as they do pumping fossil fuels out of the ground, fossil fuels will become obsolete. The problem is now economics not science. There is at least one company setting up tertiary treatment processes at wastewater plants that use algae. You get cleaner water and algae as a result. I've seen it in action. Pretty neat. Last i heard about 10 years ago they were using it for making shoe soles. That might be changing. Technology/engineering is the bridge between science and economics. If the scientific knowledge is established, but it cannot be translated to economically viable results via engineering, it's useless. It's the reason why we don't have fusion plants for power generation; the science of fusion has been established for decades, but materials development can't accommodate it yet. Perhaps algae derived fuels will be economically feasible, but that feasibility is only in comparison to other sources. There is simply no reason to spend the resources to develop it when cheaper alternatives exist. The premise is backward - cheap biofuels won't kill fossil fuels, expensive fossil fuels will make biofuels economically viable. |
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