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Originally Posted By ScottsGT: I thought it was the length of the assembly line? Originally Posted By ScottsGT: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: I believe it is stock. Ford was already working with Shelby on the Cobra so they had a business relationship. The Mustang was a huge financial success but it was known as a secretary car and Ford wanted Shelby to build a high performance street car. Ford was really into its high performance years. They sent Shelby white fastback models to convert. After the final test car was approved Shelby started building street cars and the GT350R a track ready race car. Each of the street cars had a factory vin and a Shelby vin just above the factory number. It was Ford that initially started the GT350 program. The Ford factory warranty covered the initial chassis/parts and Shelby had a warranty for the conversion parts. If the car was ever raced both warranties expired. Some of the vintage car titles only listed the Shelby vin. So, yes I believe it is a stock car and built because Ford asked Shelby to do the work. The Shelby production floor was just an extension of the factory floor. Ford was already building the Mustang GT, mostly an appear package. Shelby had been working on a name for his conversion and one day he started counting his steps between one of his build shops to another and it was 350 steps so the name was GT350. I thought it was the length of the assembly line? I listened to an interview that Shelby did and he discussed how he came up with the name. |
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Almost identical to my '66, except mine had the "pony" interior. Engine was 289 4V with 4-speed manual and 2.8 differential, Michelin radials and Koni shock absorbers. I removed the fog lamps to make room for a Lucas "flamethrower' driving light. I speced it for long Interstate drives, kept it for 10 years, and it had over 100k miles when I sold it. |
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Originally Posted By COLTGOLDCUP: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/134538/20250725_111721_jpg-3829820.JPG I remember seeing a RS SS pace car for sale in a local grocery store parking lot in the early 80s. It was all original and in fantastic condition. Seller wanted $7000 for it and I thought that was insane. Looking at what they go for now, it would have been a bargain. |
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Originally Posted By Cyclic240B: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68413/Image_9-20-26_at_12_16%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%AFPM-3830189.png End of thread.... Sorry...wrong year. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Yeah, the Rent'A'Racer Hertz Mustangs were also not "stock". Thats the same as saying a Glock with a Zev slide is a "stock" Glock or like calling a Baldwin-Motion Corvette or Camaro stock. Which they are not. They were picked up from the factory, modified and sold ad approved dealerships. If it leaves the factory, modified, then sold, it is not a "stock" car. We all know they didn't leave the factory that way, but if you could buy them at the dealer with a warranty, the dealer considered them a factory car. The BMW E30 M3 wasn't the same as the regular 325is factory car because it had race suspension and a different engine, same thing with the Mercedes 190e 16v with a Cosworth engine. These were factory tunes vehicles built so they could race, and most of the time sent out to coach builders to make them competitive. |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Correct. People forget about the A-body Barracudas Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: The Barracuda was the first by a few weeks over the Mustang. Correct. People forget about the A-body Barracudas Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' |
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Originally Posted By brandyspaw: My last first gen Camaro was this 1967 and I always thought these early Camaros were the cleanest of the pony cars. This was near bone stock externally except for the wheels and stance. https://i.imgur.com/fSXen66.jpg That's a good looking car.  It seems everyone wants a '69, but I think the 67/68 look better ("cleaner" is a good way to put it) without that horizontal body line the '69 has. |
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Originally Posted By bondservant2: Sorry...wrong year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257673/1000019587_jpg-3830289.JPG Originally Posted By bondservant2: Originally Posted By Cyclic240B: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68413/Image_9-20-26_at_12_16%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%AFPM-3830189.png End of thread.... Sorry...wrong year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257673/1000019587_jpg-3830289.JPG |
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Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: The Barracuda was the first by a few weeks over the Mustang. Correct. People forget about the A-body Barracudas Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' |
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Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' Cool theory, but no |
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Chevy guy here (my first new car was a '69 Z-28), but that Shelby is righteous. My Camaro was just like this one. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Cool theory, but no Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' Cool theory, but no Sure it was They quit making it for a reason. It's not because they were popular. Mustang still around for reasons. |
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Originally Posted By Torf: I'm pretty sure it refers to a more diminutive car, as in a more diminutive horse. Still big "horse"power, etc, not the Mustang logo. Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: The Barracuda was the first by a few weeks over the Mustang. Correct. People forget about the A-body Barracudas Yeah, but they were ugly and nobody cared. That's why they don't exist anymore, and the Mustang continued on to be the most popular sports coupe of all time. That's why the style is referred to 'ponycar' instead of 'fishcar.' The term ponycar refers to a car with a long hood and a short trunk. It was popularized by the Mustang, and became the standard for sports coupes. The Barracuda was introduced a little earlier, but it was ugly and unpopular. The Mustang was the opposite. |
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Originally Posted By gearjammer351: The term ponycar refers to a car with a long hood and a short trunk. It was popularized by the Mustang, and became the standard for sports coupes. The Barracuda was introduced a little earlier, but it was ugly and unpopular. The Mustang was the opposite. I'm not arguing the merits or popularity of 1st and 2nd Gen Barracuda (or 'Cuda) offerings. I'm a fan of 3rd Gen 70-later offerings, Challengers too. Maybe you don't like them. I can't say Mustangs (most anyway) do much for me. |
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Originally Posted By Spartan16: FUgly wheels not withstanding... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_FrCZ6IH8RkPOPuSvKCzxwqZYDNXlSzxwnlt1xENj4s6R9D8CTxdkcZOt&s=10 https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/noreserve/1/754/50667/1920x1440/1967-chevrolet-corvette-zz502-6-speed-widebody-restomod I was going to agree with everyone else and say it couldn't be done...but those split window vettes are always something special. I've got a nostalgia thing for 68 Nova's (and the earlier box Nova's), but it's pretty damn difficult to argue with OP. |
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I always liked the '69 Camaro. Something about the headlight treatment, front grill and lower valence, and those body lines off each wheel arch - looked fast just sitting still. It was really this article that set the hook: '69 Camaro build by John and Chris Buttera (Hot Rod article, 1979) Oddly enough, a few months later I'd have a '65 Fastback, 289-4V, 4-speed, disc brakes and no power-assisted anything, pretty much the car in OP's post at the top of the thread, minus the blue stripes and Shelby VIN. Back then, great deals could be had if you weren't too focused on just one make or model. |
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Originally Posted By Torf: I'm not arguing the merits or popularity of 1st and 2nd Gen Barracuda (or 'Cuda) offerings. I'm a fan of 3rd Gen 70-later offerings, Challengers too. Maybe you don't like them. I can't say Mustangs (most anyway) do much for me. Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: The term ponycar refers to a car with a long hood and a short trunk. It was popularized by the Mustang, and became the standard for sports coupes. The Barracuda was introduced a little earlier, but it was ugly and unpopular. The Mustang was the opposite. I'm not arguing the merits or popularity of 1st and 2nd Gen Barracuda (or 'Cuda) offerings. I'm a fan of 3rd Gen 70-later offerings, Challengers too. Maybe you don't like them. I can't say Mustangs (most anyway) do much for me. Understandable. I love the later Barracudas, I just think the first ones were ugly as sin. The ones I like are the '67-'74-ish. The 70-71 'Cuda is a beautiful thing. The Mustang is my favorite car, but I love all sorts of cars. I have a particular affinity for American muscle cars, though. The '69-'70 Mustang fastback is my favorite, as you may have guessed. I sacrificed many years and dollars (and one wife) for the one in my avatar pic. No ragerts 
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Originally Posted By CuldesacWarlord: I was going to agree with everyone else and say it couldn't be done...but those split window vettes are always something special. I've got a nostalgia thing for 68 Nova's (and the earlier box Nova's), but it's pretty damn difficult to argue with OP. Originally Posted By CuldesacWarlord: Originally Posted By Spartan16: FUgly wheels not withstanding... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_FrCZ6IH8RkPOPuSvKCzxwqZYDNXlSzxwnlt1xENj4s6R9D8CTxdkcZOt&s=10 https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/noreserve/1/754/50667/1920x1440/1967-chevrolet-corvette-zz502-6-speed-widebody-restomod I was going to agree with everyone else and say it couldn't be done...but those split window vettes are always something special. I've got a nostalgia thing for 68 Nova's (and the earlier box Nova's), but it's pretty damn difficult to argue with OP. That's cool, but it's neither stock nor a ponycar. |
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Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: I believe it is stock. Ford was already working with Shelby on the Cobra so they had a business relationship. The Mustang was a huge financial success but it was known as a secretary car and Ford wanted Shelby to build a high performance street car. Ford was really into its high performance years. They sent Shelby white fastback models to convert. After the final test car was approved Shelby started building street cars and the GT350R a track ready race car. Each of the street cars had a factory vin and a Shelby vin just above the factory number. It was Ford that initially started the GT350 program. The Ford factory warranty covered the initial chassis/parts and Shelby had a warranty for the conversion parts. If the car was ever raced both warranties expired. Some of the vintage car titles only listed the Shelby vin. So, yes I believe it is a stock car and built because Ford asked Shelby to do the work. The Shelby production floor was just an extension of the factory floor. Ford was already building the Mustang GT, mostly an appear package. Shelby had been working on a name for his conversion and one day he started counting his steps between one of his build shops to another and it was 350 steps so the name was GT350. "Conversion parts"... so non stock. |
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Originally Posted By brandyspaw: My last first gen Camaro was this 1967 and I always thought these early Camaros were the cleanest of the pony cars. This was near bone stock externally except for the wheels and stance. https://i.imgur.com/fSXen66.jpg Stunning in its simplicity. Looks like it’s running while standing still. |
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Originally Posted By foursixty: Sure it was They quit making it for a reason. It's not because they were popular. Mustang still around for reasons. They quit making it for the same reason Ford transitioned to the Mustang II. The Valiant body 'Cudas were ugly, but plenty of people still care about them, especially the E-bodies. |
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Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Understandable. I love the later Barracudas, I just think the first ones were ugly as sin. The ones I like are the '67-'74-ish. The 70-71 'Cuda is a beautiful thing. The Mustang is my favorite car, but I love all sorts of cars. I have a particular affinity for American muscle cars, though. The '69-'70 Mustang fastback is my favorite, as you may have guessed. I sacrificed many years and dollars (and one wife) for the one in my avatar pic. No ragerts Originally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: The term ponycar refers to a car with a long hood and a short trunk. It was popularized by the Mustang, and became the standard for sports coupes. The Barracuda was introduced a little earlier, but it was ugly and unpopular. The Mustang was the opposite. I'm not arguing the merits or popularity of 1st and 2nd Gen Barracuda (or 'Cuda) offerings. I'm a fan of 3rd Gen 70-later offerings, Challengers too. Maybe you don't like them. I can't say Mustangs (most anyway) do much for me. Understandable. I love the later Barracudas, I just think the first ones were ugly as sin. The ones I like are the '67-'74-ish. The 70-71 'Cuda is a beautiful thing. The Mustang is my favorite car, but I love all sorts of cars. I have a particular affinity for American muscle cars, though. The '69-'70 Mustang fastback is my favorite, as you may have guessed. I sacrificed many years and dollars (and one wife) for the one in my avatar pic. No ragerts 
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Originally Posted By Codyboy: Well pfft. Thats easy op. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257708/1000008121_jpg-3830413.JPG I love those, first big-block car I ever got to ride in. But, as others have noted that is not a "pony car." |
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It's a shame this one wasn't sold in the United States. I always liked the looks of the Alfa Romeo Montreal. Attached File But... Spica mechanical fuel injection? No thanks. Attached File |
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I really wish this forum made it easier to post pics without a membership like the other forums I am a member of. I'd really like to add my 1969 Mustang GT Sportsroof to this thread. White with the red GT stripe at the bottom, 428 Cobra Jet. I have had a lot of non Mustang people come up to me at shows or in town telling me, that while they don't like Mustangs a whole lot, they really love my car. I've had it for 25 years and have done all of the work on it except for the paint. |
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Originally Posted By madmacs69: "Conversion parts"... so non stock. Originally Posted By madmacs69: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: I believe it is stock. Ford was already working with Shelby on the Cobra so they had a business relationship. The Mustang was a huge financial success but it was known as a secretary car and Ford wanted Shelby to build a high performance street car. Ford was really into its high performance years. They sent Shelby white fastback models to convert. After the final test car was approved Shelby started building street cars and the GT350R a track ready race car. Each of the street cars had a factory vin and a Shelby vin just above the factory number. It was Ford that initially started the GT350 program. The Ford factory warranty covered the initial chassis/parts and Shelby had a warranty for the conversion parts. If the car was ever raced both warranties expired. Some of the vintage car titles only listed the Shelby vin. So, yes I believe it is a stock car and built because Ford asked Shelby to do the work. The Shelby production floor was just an extension of the factory floor. Ford was already building the Mustang GT, mostly an appear package. Shelby had been working on a name for his conversion and one day he started counting his steps between one of his build shops to another and it was 350 steps so the name was GT350. "Conversion parts"... so non stock. No. Ford delivered the chassis to Shelby and his labor installed the parts that made the chassis a GT350. It’s no different than a chassis gets a 6 cylinder or a 260 or 289 V8. That is what the build order, written by Ford, determined. Shelby was delivering the car that Ford ordered, a high performance street car. Ford built secretary cars and Shelby built them as Ford ordered so the car was built from the ground up as stock GT350. The chassis was ordered by Ford under a DSO (Domestic Special Order) which included that FORD MADE CHANGES to the chassis at the FORD PLANT that were only done for the GT350… no other Mustangs got those changes. From day 1 that chassis was different than any other Mustangs chassis. Ford built the chassis, not Shelby. No other Mustangs chassis were built like the Domestic Special Order. Put your incorrect ideas to sleep. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: I hate to break it to you but, no. Shelby Mustangs are not considered “stock” Mustangs. They are "high-performance" variants that started as Mustangs and received significant modifications by Carroll Shelby / Shelby American. Haggerty and the Peterson Museum have defined what a "stock" car is. "A stock Mustang is one that remains as it left the Ford factory". Mecum and Barret Jackson treat Shelby Mustangs as their own category for a reason. Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Originally Posted By Bigtwin: Ha Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Its not even close to stock. Shelby heavily modified it, and only sold it through approved dealers. Authorized by Henry Ford ll and sold at Ford dealers. Still not a "stock" car. Hate to break it to you , yes it's a stock car....sold as new! Don't matter what company sold it! Saying it's not stock is like saying the inline six cylinder is the only engine that was stock on a Mustang.  I hate to break it to you but, no. Shelby Mustangs are not considered “stock” Mustangs. They are "high-performance" variants that started as Mustangs and received significant modifications by Carroll Shelby / Shelby American. Haggerty and the Peterson Museum have defined what a "stock" car is. "A stock Mustang is one that remains as it left the Ford factory". Mecum and Barret Jackson treat Shelby Mustangs as their own category for a reason. The chassis was altered by FORD under a DOMESTIC SPECIAL ORDER specifically for the GT350. Ford built the chassis, not Shelby. It left the FORD plant specifically for the GT350. None of these chassis were used in any other Mustangs. From day one, before Shelby got the chassis, it was a GT350. Please bend the knee and admit you learned something today. You are not ignorant but very much uninformed about the facts. |
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I’m pretty partial to my Camaro. Attached File Attached File This is the day she was delivered, with all of 150 miles on the clock. She looks a bit more “broken in” nowadays. |
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Originally Posted By fury413rb: guess the wheels disqualify it but always favored the 67-68 like in Bullitt https://stories.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/mm141-mod-68bullittmustang-f3qtr007b.jpg stock This is the era I grew up in, when the pony cars came out, then the mid size cars became muscle cars like the GTO, 442 and then full size cars like the Road Runner. Great time for automotive fun but the cars were easy to over drive, lose control and there were no anti skid brakes and seat belts were an up and coming thing. I missed out on it because my father owned an Oldsmobile 88 and a Renault Dauphine. That is a good looking Mustang, just the basics. |
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