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Attached File Everything looked good. The family is upset there is no “issued” knife and it was “unapproved”. https://www.opb.org/article/2026/09/17/marc-fogle-tort-claim-clark-county-washington/ |
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Okay, I will do half of OP's job for him. Deputy Stabby Stabby Someone else can do the cliff notes |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: Okay, I will do half of OP's job for him. Deputy Stabby Stabby Someone else can do the cliff notes Originally Posted By Ewald: Okay, I will do half of OP's job for him. Deputy Stabby Stabby Someone else can do the cliff notes AI Summary, GD's favorite.  verview of the Tort Claim Filed by Marc Fogle's Family The family of Marc Fogle, a 54-year-old man who was fatally stabbed by a Clark County sheriff's deputy, has filed a $27 million tort claim against Clark County. This claim is a precursor to a potential lawsuit and alleges several serious issues regarding the incident. Key Details of the Incident Date of Incident: May 7, 2025 Location: Washington State Patrol facility in Ridgefield, Washington Circumstances: Fogle was arrested for suspected DUI after crashing his vehicle into parked cars. He was taken to the facility for a breath test. Allegations in the Tort Claim Excessive Force: The claim states that Deputy Bryson Layton used excessive force by stabbing Fogle 17 times in the back with an unauthorized dagger. Body Camera Issues: Layton's body camera was turned off during the altercation, raising concerns about transparency and accountability. The claim suggests that the camera was intentionally deactivated. Failure to Provide Medical Care: The claim alleges that deputies failed to seek medical assistance for Fogle, who showed signs of serious impairment and distress. Context of the Claim The claim highlights a pattern of alleged misconduct, including the systemic misuse of body cameras by Clark County deputies. The Clark County Sheriff’s Office has not commented on the specifics of the claim due to ongoing legal proceedings. This tort claim serves as a formal notification to the county of the family's intent to pursue legal action regarding the circumstances surrounding Fogle's death. The Columbian KATU |
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Originally Posted By Justinandfreyja: People who have never engaged or experienced violence will have a hard time coming to grips that you will stab, jab, gouge, anything to win the encounter. Violence isn’t textbook. there is no such thing as a fair fight |
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| Don't start a fight with an armed person and expect a fair fight. The deputy claimed he was trying to grab his gun and was unable to get control of the suspect and that's when he was stabbed. Sounds like suicide by cop, the suspect even said he was trying to get his gun because he wanted to be shot. Lawsuit should be tossed unless they can prove something not provided in the article. |
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‘I’m a dead man': BWC video shows DUI suspect attack Wash. deputy who fatally stabbed him The distraught suspect made vague, threatening comments before trying to grab the Clark County deputy’s gun, leading to the fatal stabbing ***VIDEO OF INCIDENT AT LINK**** https://www.police1.com/Officer-Safety/im-a-dead-man-bwc-video-shows-dui-suspect-attack-wash-deputy-who-fatally-stabbed-him By Becca Robbins The Columbian, Vancouver, Wash. May 16, 2025 11:02 AM CLARK COUNTY, Wash. — An Oregon man can be heard on body camera footage telling a Clark County sheriff’s deputy he wanted him to shoot him as they struggled over the deputy’s gun, moments before the deputy fatally stabbed him. The video summary released Thursday by the sheriff’s office begins with footage of deputies responding at 10:58 p.m. May 7 to a crash near Northeast 14th Court and Minnehaha Street. A driver, identified by deputies as Marc Fogle, 54, of Clackamas, Ore., crashed into two cars parked along Minnehaha Street. Fogle can be heard on Deputy Bryson Layton’s body camera video saying he had been drinking. As Layton approaches, Fogle said, “My life’s (expletive) over.” Layton replied, “I wouldn’t go that far.” When Fogle handed deputies his driver’s license, he noted that he has his commercial driver’s license certification, the video shows. “As you will see, I am a CDL driver, and, like I said, my life’s (expletive) over,” Fogle said. Layton arrested Fogle on suspicion of driving under the influence and transported him to the Washington State Patrol weigh station on Interstate 5 near Ridgefield, about 18 miles north of the crash scene. The video summary notes that the weigh station’s scale house has a room with a machine used to analyze breath-alcohol levels. They arrived at the scale house at 11:33 p.m., the video states. When they arrived, the video shows Layton telling Fogle that he would take off his handcuffs if he cooperated. Once inside, Layton removed Fogle’s handcuffs, and Fogle put his hands on his head. Layton told Fogle he didn’t have to do that, but Fogle said, “This is for your safety.” Layton asked Fogle multiple times if Fogle planned to hurt him. Fogle promised he wouldn’t. Fogle also said, “You don’t know who you’re dealing with.” Layton asked Fogle again if Fogle was going to hurt him, and Fogle said “no.” Then, Layton told Fogle he trusted him, according to the video. A minute later, Fogle said, “Maybe I’ll make it through the night. I don’t know.” Layton told Fogle he would make it through the night and that “this isn’t as big a deal as you think it is,” according to the video. Fogle again said his life was over. Layton asked Fogle why, and Fogle again said he was a commercial driver and wouldn’t be able to make a living anymore. Layton assured Fogle he had arrested commercial drivers before who were able to find ways to move forward. Fogle adamantly disagreed, the video shows. Fogle later told Layton, “I’m a dead man. You’re talking to a dead man.” Layton disagreed, according to the video. When Fogle again said he wouldn’t make it through the night, Layton asked Fogle if he was going to kill himself. Fogle replied, “Who knows?” Layton asked Fogle if there was someone he could call for Fogle to talk to, and Fogle said “no,” the video shows. Fogle can later be heard saying, “You know what’s crazy is it’s just you and me in this (expletive) room.” Layton told Fogle that although they were alone in the room, the scale house is a police station and state troopers were in the building. When Fogle asked Layton if he was sure and how many troopers were in the building, Layton turned and asked Fogle why he was saying that, according to the video. Layton told Fogle he was going to put him back in handcuffs and instructed Fogle to stand and turn around. Fogle stood and asked Layton if he was sure. As Layton pushed Fogle’s chest to turn him around, Fogle can be seen in the video reaching toward Layton’s waist. Layton can be heard shouting at Fogle to get away from him. Layton radioed that he was fighting with Fogle and that Fogle was reaching for his gun, according to the video. Layton shouted, “Marc, you’re going to get (expletive) shot,” and Fogle replied, “Yeah, that’s what I want.” Layton repeatedly shouted at Fogle to get away from him, the video shows. The pair can be seen falling to the ground, with Fogle on top of Layton. Fogle can be heard saying, “I’m not looking to shoot you,” moments before the video summary says Layton’s camera was deactivated during the struggle. The video resumes with Fogle lying face down on the floor, now in handcuffs, appearing to be nonresponsive. Layton can be seen cutting off Fogle’s shirt and sweatshirt, revealing more than a dozen stab wounds on Fogle’s upper back. Layton can be heard out of breath, asking a state patrol employee, now seen in the video, for medical supplies. Layton told Fogle, “I’m not going to let you die, Marc. You’re going to be OK, man.” Fogle can be heard in the video groaning and giving an unintelligible response. Medical personnel arrived and pronounced Fogle dead at 12:39 a.m. May 8, the video summary states. Layton remains on administrative leave, which is standard protocol. The Office of Independent Investigations is investigating the stabbing and will forward its report to the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office for review. |
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You mean his emergency seatbelt cutter. At least that's why I carry mine. Sure, it can be used for defending my life too. No different than me using an unissued big rock. There was one in Nashville several years ago. The officer was using a urinal, and a guy grabbed his gun. The officer had enough awareness to grab his knife and go stabby stabby on the bad guy. Kudos for these guys doing good in defending themselves. |
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Originally Posted By Justinandfreyja: People who have never engaged or experienced violence will have a hard time coming to grips that you will stab, jab, gouge, anything to win the encounter. Violence isn’t textbook. I don’t really consider the type of weapon relevant. Classify whatever it is as lethal or less-lethal, then determine if that use of force was justified. (With an obvious exception for shit like torture) If the officer violated a department rule about carrying unauthorized gear, that’s a separate administrative issue to be dealt with by his agency. Everybody involved muting their audio is some bullshit, though, and only adds fuel to the ACAB movement. Like it or not, absolute transparency is necessary for a high trust profession. |
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Originally Posted By FMJunkie: I don’t really consider the type of weapon relevant. Classify whatever it is as lethal or less-lethal, then determine if that use of force was justified. (With an obvious exception for shit like torture) If the officer violated a department rule about carrying unauthorized gear, that’s a separate administrative issue to be dealt with by his agency. Everybody involved muting their audio is some bullshit, though, and only adds fuel to the ACAB movement. Like it or not, absolute transparency is necessary for a high trust profession. I agree, muting the audio is not ok. But I guess it really isn’t any different then calling someone on there cell vs broadcasting. Besides the whole use of deadly force thing
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Originally Posted By Guntoter: You can bet the state police will ban knives or daggers by troopers now. And probably require them to disarm during the breathalyzer test. That’s how departments respond to lawsuits. I saw cops here in PA carrying microtechs for years before switchblades were legal. They were illegal for everyone including police but who was going to tell them? And if you attack someone, it’s likely they’re going to use any means necessary to kill you first. Can’t reach the gun? Ok I’ll stick a knife in your throat. Can’t blame them, I’d do the same. |
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The knife identified as a police firearm and is therefore legal to use. While legally fine as long as the deceased was fighting, the officer is going to get questioned about the dozen stab wounds, I guarantee that. |
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Originally Posted By Guntoter: You can bet the state police will ban knives or daggers by troopers now. And probably require them to disarm during the breathalyzer test. That’s how departments respond to lawsuits. It was a County Deputy, using a WA State Patrol intoxilizer at a weigh station used by the commercial vehicle enforcement troopers. And I believe there was nobody else in the whole place. But yeah, policies tend to follow knife incidents, we had some almost come down after several incidents locally of suspects grabbing LEO’s knives, leading to shootings or knock down fights. Not uncuffing someone during the intox is the safest play. I never took them off unless they were going into a holding cell for a while. Too big of a risk of a fight, relying on someone’s good will after you have arrested them is not smart. This kind of incident is exactly why they should stay on. Only policy that needed/needs changed was to not take the cuffs off. Problem (mostly) solved. Hope the family gets nothing. Tired of criminals families getting paid on good shootings. This is what happens when govts settle instead of fighting it in court. If the use of force is justified, the method used is if no concern. Use of Force 101…. |
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Kind of half wonder why there wasn't a camera installed in breathalyzer test room or hallway. Knife in question looks to be a Benchmade SOCP style. They are marketed as LEO backup knifes. I don't see the butterfly. It could be a knockoff. I carried and trained with a SOCP Mini for a summer. It is intuitive as a last ditch weapon. It kind of sucks as a knife overall. *ETA Re other posts about the legality of knives. The reason I tried the SOCP it was actually legal in my AO for normal people to carry. |
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Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. Yup. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. Agencies pay a lot of money for data storage. Would be really expensive to pay for all the unnecessary data of a cop aimlessly driving around during his shift. Local agencies to me have to record every public interaction including phone calls. If officers don’t have it recording during an interaction they can face disciplinary action. |
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Originally Posted By aztrooper: The statements and conversation prior to the stabby stabby is pretty clear this guy was going to try to do suicide by cops. This lawsuit is bullshit. Good stabby. Asshole family looking for a settlement. In a confined spaces, usually made of cinder block wall, things can ricochet. Drawing from a holster requires enough space to do so. Same can be said for taser deployment (even drive stun) , collapsible batons and definitely OC spray. An auto folder once opened doesn't jam, doesn't need to be reloaded. Thanks to the elimination of black jacks, the cop's only other choice was hands on, while fighting for your gun. No such thing as a fair fight. When I was working, I carried an auto folder on my support side. If a perp grabbed my gun and had their hand on it, I would pull up on the bottom of my holster, trapping the gun against my side so that it couldn't be pulled out, along with your hand. I now own your hand and arm. If necessary, I would take my support hand, deploy knife and go for your neck/face and try to keep my mouth closed to avoid the arterial spurts. Felony disarming of a LEO = you made your choice and chose poorly. |
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote: ‘I’m a dead man': BWC video shows DUI suspect attack Wash. deputy who fatally stabbed him The distraught suspect made vague, threatening comments before trying to grab the Clark County deputy’s gun, leading to the fatal stabbing ***VIDEO OF INCIDENT AT LINK**** https://www.police1.com/Officer-Safety/im-a-dead-man-bwc-video-shows-dui-suspect-attack-wash-deputy-who-fatally-stabbed-him By Becca Robbins The Columbian, Vancouver, Wash. May 16, 2025 11:02 AM CLARK COUNTY, Wash. — An Oregon man can be heard on body camera footage telling a Clark County sheriff’s deputy he wanted him to shoot him as they struggled over the deputy’s gun, moments before the deputy fatally stabbed him. The video summary released Thursday by the sheriff’s office begins with footage of deputies responding at 10:58 p.m. May 7 to a crash near Northeast 14th Court and Minnehaha Street. A driver, identified by deputies as Marc Fogle, 54, of Clackamas, Ore., crashed into two cars parked along Minnehaha Street. Fogle can be heard on Deputy Bryson Layton’s body camera video saying he had been drinking. As Layton approaches, Fogle said, “My life’s (expletive) over.” Layton replied, “I wouldn’t go that far.” When Fogle handed deputies his driver’s license, he noted that he has his commercial driver’s license certification, the video shows. “As you will see, I am a CDL driver, and, like I said, my life’s (expletive) over,” Fogle said. Layton arrested Fogle on suspicion of driving under the influence and transported him to the Washington State Patrol weigh station on Interstate 5 near Ridgefield, about 18 miles north of the crash scene. The video summary notes that the weigh station’s scale house has a room with a machine used to analyze breath-alcohol levels. They arrived at the scale house at 11:33 p.m., the video states. When they arrived, the video shows Layton telling Fogle that he would take off his handcuffs if he cooperated. Once inside, Layton removed Fogle’s handcuffs, and Fogle put his hands on his head. Layton told Fogle he didn’t have to do that, but Fogle said, “This is for your safety.” Layton asked Fogle multiple times if Fogle planned to hurt him. Fogle promised he wouldn’t. Fogle also said, “You don’t know who you’re dealing with.” Layton asked Fogle again if Fogle was going to hurt him, and Fogle said “no.” Then, Layton told Fogle he trusted him, according to the video. A minute later, Fogle said, “Maybe I’ll make it through the night. I don’t know.” Layton told Fogle he would make it through the night and that “this isn’t as big a deal as you think it is,” according to the video. Fogle again said his life was over. Layton asked Fogle why, and Fogle again said he was a commercial driver and wouldn’t be able to make a living anymore. Layton assured Fogle he had arrested commercial drivers before who were able to find ways to move forward. Fogle adamantly disagreed, the video shows. Fogle later told Layton, “I’m a dead man. You’re talking to a dead man.” Layton disagreed, according to the video. When Fogle again said he wouldn’t make it through the night, Layton asked Fogle if he was going to kill himself. Fogle replied, “Who knows?” Layton asked Fogle if there was someone he could call for Fogle to talk to, and Fogle said “no,” the video shows. Fogle can later be heard saying, “You know what’s crazy is it’s just you and me in this (expletive) room.” Layton told Fogle that although they were alone in the room, the scale house is a police station and state troopers were in the building. When Fogle asked Layton if he was sure and how many troopers were in the building, Layton turned and asked Fogle why he was saying that, according to the video. Layton told Fogle he was going to put him back in handcuffs and instructed Fogle to stand and turn around. Fogle stood and asked Layton if he was sure. As Layton pushed Fogle’s chest to turn him around, Fogle can be seen in the video reaching toward Layton’s waist. Layton can be heard shouting at Fogle to get away from him. Layton radioed that he was fighting with Fogle and that Fogle was reaching for his gun, according to the video. Layton shouted, “Marc, you’re going to get (expletive) shot,” and Fogle replied, “Yeah, that’s what I want.” Layton repeatedly shouted at Fogle to get away from him, the video shows. The pair can be seen falling to the ground, with Fogle on top of Layton. Fogle can be heard saying, “I’m not looking to shoot you,” moments before the video summary says Layton’s camera was deactivated during the struggle. The video resumes with Fogle lying face down on the floor, now in handcuffs, appearing to be nonresponsive. Layton can be seen cutting off Fogle’s shirt and sweatshirt, revealing more than a dozen stab wounds on Fogle’s upper back. Layton can be heard out of breath, asking a state patrol employee, now seen in the video, for medical supplies. Layton told Fogle, “I’m not going to let you die, Marc. You’re going to be OK, man.” Fogle can be heard in the video groaning and giving an unintelligible response. Medical personnel arrived and pronounced Fogle dead at 12:39 a.m. May 8, the video summary states. Layton remains on administrative leave, which is standard protocol. The Office of Independent Investigations is investigating the stabbing and will forward its report to the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office for review. Thanks! He wanted to commit suicide by cop. He got his wish. Case dismissed. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: The knife identified as a police firearm and is therefore legal to use. While legally fine as long as the deceased was fighting, the officer is going to get questioned about the dozen stab wounds, I guarantee that. 17. As mentioned in various threads, though; stabbing victims usually don’t realize they’re being stabbed until they lose enough blood. They usually think they’re being punched/struck. Any perp going for the firearm = threat of deadly force. Big dude on top of you, going for your gun? Yeah, you’re probably going to keep stabbing until he’s off of you. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. The bodycam was on up until they were actively fighting once the suspect was on top of the deputy. It seems like it got accidentally deactivated while fighting. Then he reactivated it after they had secured the guy and were giving medical aid. It being "muted" was during the pre-recording buffer, which is what it's designed to do. There's literally nothing the deputy could do to change the muted portion. Watching the bodycam, I'm inclined to say "good stab". I'd assume he should have secured his pistol before doing the breath test, but the deputy isn't the one who escalated anything. |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1: 17. As mentioned in various threads, though; stabbing victims usually don’t realize they’re being stabbed until they lose enough blood. They usually think they’re being punched/struck. Any perp going for the firearm = threat of deadly force. Big dude on top of you, going for your gun? Yeah, you’re probably going to keep stabbing until he’s off of you. Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By fxntime: The knife identified as a police firearm and is therefore legal to use. While legally fine as long as the deceased was fighting, the officer is going to get questioned about the dozen stab wounds, I guarantee that. 17. As mentioned in various threads, though; stabbing victims usually don’t realize they’re being stabbed until they lose enough blood. They usually think they’re being punched/struck. Any perp going for the firearm = threat of deadly force. Big dude on top of you, going for your gun? Yeah, you’re probably going to keep stabbing until he’s off of you. I agree, other plain jane's, they are absolutely going to question the number of wounds because all they have ever seen are movies where one stab=DRT. |
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote: ‘I’m a dead man': BWC video shows DUI suspect attack Wash. deputy who fatally stabbed him The distraught suspect made vague, threatening comments before trying to grab the Clark County deputy’s gun, leading to the fatal stabbing ***VIDEO OF INCIDENT AT LINK**** https://www.police1.com/Officer-Safety/im-a-dead-man-bwc-video-shows-dui-suspect-attack-wash-deputy-who-fatally-stabbed-him By Becca Robbins The Columbian, Vancouver, Wash. May 16, 2025 11:02 AM CLARK COUNTY, Wash. — An Oregon man can be heard on body camera footage telling a Clark County sheriff’s deputy he wanted him to shoot him as they struggled over the deputy’s gun, moments before the deputy fatally stabbed him. The video summary released Thursday by the sheriff’s office begins with footage of deputies responding at 10:58 p.m. May 7 to a crash near Northeast 14th Court and Minnehaha Street. A driver, identified by deputies as Marc Fogle, 54, of Clackamas, Ore., crashed into two cars parked along Minnehaha Street. Fogle can be heard on Deputy Bryson Layton’s body camera video saying he had been drinking. As Layton approaches, Fogle said, “My life’s (expletive) over.” Layton replied, “I wouldn’t go that far.” When Fogle handed deputies his driver’s license, he noted that he has his commercial driver’s license certification, the video shows. “As you will see, I am a CDL driver, and, like I said, my life’s (expletive) over,” Fogle said. Layton arrested Fogle on suspicion of driving under the influence and transported him to the Washington State Patrol weigh station on Interstate 5 near Ridgefield, about 18 miles north of the crash scene. The video summary notes that the weigh station’s scale house has a room with a machine used to analyze breath-alcohol levels. They arrived at the scale house at 11:33 p.m., the video states. When they arrived, the video shows Layton telling Fogle that he would take off his handcuffs if he cooperated. Once inside, Layton removed Fogle’s handcuffs, and Fogle put his hands on his head. Layton told Fogle he didn’t have to do that, but Fogle said, “This is for your safety.” Layton asked Fogle multiple times if Fogle planned to hurt him. Fogle promised he wouldn’t. Fogle also said, “You don’t know who you’re dealing with.” Layton asked Fogle again if Fogle was going to hurt him, and Fogle said “no.” Then, Layton told Fogle he trusted him, according to the video. A minute later, Fogle said, “Maybe I’ll make it through the night. I don’t know.” Layton told Fogle he would make it through the night and that “this isn’t as big a deal as you think it is,” according to the video. Fogle again said his life was over. Layton asked Fogle why, and Fogle again said he was a commercial driver and wouldn’t be able to make a living anymore. Layton assured Fogle he had arrested commercial drivers before who were able to find ways to move forward. Fogle adamantly disagreed, the video shows. Fogle later told Layton, “I’m a dead man. You’re talking to a dead man.” Layton disagreed, according to the video. When Fogle again said he wouldn’t make it through the night, Layton asked Fogle if he was going to kill himself. Fogle replied, “Who knows?” Layton asked Fogle if there was someone he could call for Fogle to talk to, and Fogle said “no,” the video shows. Fogle can later be heard saying, “You know what’s crazy is it’s just you and me in this (expletive) room.” Layton told Fogle that although they were alone in the room, the scale house is a police station and state troopers were in the building. When Fogle asked Layton if he was sure and how many troopers were in the building, Layton turned and asked Fogle why he was saying that, according to the video. Layton told Fogle he was going to put him back in handcuffs and instructed Fogle to stand and turn around. Fogle stood and asked Layton if he was sure. As Layton pushed Fogle’s chest to turn him around, Fogle can be seen in the video reaching toward Layton’s waist. Layton can be heard shouting at Fogle to get away from him. Layton radioed that he was fighting with Fogle and that Fogle was reaching for his gun, according to the video. Layton shouted, “Marc, you’re going to get (expletive) shot,” and Fogle replied, “Yeah, that’s what I want.” Layton repeatedly shouted at Fogle to get away from him, the video shows. The pair can be seen falling to the ground, with Fogle on top of Layton. Fogle can be heard saying, “I’m not looking to shoot you,” moments before the video summary says Layton’s camera was deactivated during the struggle. The video resumes with Fogle lying face down on the floor, now in handcuffs, appearing to be nonresponsive. Layton can be seen cutting off Fogle’s shirt and sweatshirt, revealing more than a dozen stab wounds on Fogle’s upper back. Layton can be heard out of breath, asking a state patrol employee, now seen in the video, for medical supplies. Layton told Fogle, “I’m not going to let you die, Marc. You’re going to be OK, man.” Fogle can be heard in the video groaning and giving an unintelligible response. Medical personnel arrived and pronounced Fogle dead at 12:39 a.m. May 8, the video summary states. Layton remains on administrative leave, which is standard protocol. The Office of Independent Investigations is investigating the stabbing and will forward its report to the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office for review. Not guilty |
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Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: The bodycam was on up until they were actively fighting once the suspect was on top of the deputy. It seems like it got accidentally deactivated while fighting. Then he reactivated it after they had secured the guy and were giving medical aid. It being "muted" was during the pre-recording buffer, which is what it's designed to do. There's literally nothing the deputy could do to change the muted portion. Watching the bodycam, I'm inclined to say "good stab". I'd assume he should have secured his pistol before doing the breath test, but the deputy isn't the one who escalated anything. Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. The bodycam was on up until they were actively fighting once the suspect was on top of the deputy. It seems like it got accidentally deactivated while fighting. Then he reactivated it after they had secured the guy and were giving medical aid. It being "muted" was during the pre-recording buffer, which is what it's designed to do. There's literally nothing the deputy could do to change the muted portion. Watching the bodycam, I'm inclined to say "good stab". I'd assume he should have secured his pistol before doing the breath test, but the deputy isn't the one who escalated anything. Got to watch the video. Yeah, it certainly looks to me like the BWC was accidentally shut off during the scuffle. Someone would have to be pretty…uhhh… biased(?), to think that the officer in the middle of a fight against a heavier dude on top of him and trying to gain control of his firearm, had the presence of mind to go, “Ya know what? He’s going for my gun. I’m just going to stab his fat ass. Lemme turn my camera off, first”. I think the issue others have mentioned, is the responding officers apparently all muted their cameras when they arrived. Apparently one officer was recorded saying, “Oh shit, he stabbed him” right before muting their camera. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. Sounds like it was inadvertently turned off during the scuffle. There's a big ass push button on the front that starts and stops the recording. It's easy to bump on and off, especially while fighting someone or carrying something. Edit: Beat. I love this gem from the one article: The sons also claim Layton’s holster brand is “specifically engineered to prevent a person other than the officer from drawing the firearm out.” There is no such thing. Yes, Safariland produces level 87 holsters that helps mitigate the ease of someone trying to disarm its user. However, in training scenarios, I have successfully disarmed guys using such holsters. From the front, side, and rear. Rear approach is the easiest for disarming. |
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Originally Posted By Caddys83: Clifnotes? Bottom feeding vampiric shit bag attorney and family members stir the pot, sue and mention a bunch of irrelevant horseshit about the knife not being "authorized" (doesn't have to be), whine about the body cam, etc. The usual. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Suicide by cop. This. His family sees it as a payday, apparently. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. ALL electronic devices must be turned off around the breath test machine to prevent interference. That includes cell phones and body cameras since body cameras all have cell connectivity these days. There are plenty of times it's okay to turn your camera off. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Turning off cameras is a stupid move and this would be a no question slam dunk if that camera had been on. The only time that camera should be off is if they're in the shitter. My bet family gets paid cop should be fired. Self defense might be justified but the camera turned off isn't. https://www.police1.com/Officer-Safety/im-a-dead-man-bwc-video-shows-dui-suspect-attack-wash-deputy-who-fatally-stabbed-him Video at the link. FIght starts about 8:30 in. The DWI suspect got the Deputy on the ground and had him in a mount (suspect on top). If you press the big button on the front of an Axon body camera for a couple seconds (depending on settings), it will stop recording. It is most likely that the suspect's own weight stopped the recording. In a fight for one's life, nobody is going to have an extra hand to stop recording so that they can do something nefarious. Inadvertently stopping the recordings because of things like that happens sometimes. The biggest culprit is often the stock of a long gun. You don't even realize it until you look down and see that the light that tells you you are recording has stopped. The suspect's wounds were consistent with the Deputy getting his non-dominant hand free to access his knife while he used his right hand to protect his holstered weapon, with a suspect in the mount position on top of the Deputy. The suspect appeared to have a bunch of stab wounds in the back. Deadly force is deadly force. If you have a legal path to using deadly force, it doesn't matter is you shoot them, run them over, hit them in the head with a brick or set them on fire. Or stab 'em. But the latter options will take more explaining. Cops used to get killed with their own weapons alot more frequently in the 1960-70s. Sometimes it was 20-30% of the total officers killed in a given year. Holsters got much, much better for retention, and training changed to include weapons retention and that someone attempting to take your handgun was a deadly force threat. Now officers getting killed with their own handguns is relatively rare. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: The knife identified as a police firearm and is therefore legal to use. While legally fine as long as the deceased was fighting, the officer is going to get questioned about the dozen stab wounds, I guarantee that. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: holy crap people. read the article. the camera got turned off while they were fighting  Apparently it is too much to ask for people to read the article before posting. Their hate of LE over rides common sense. 
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Originally Posted By mcantu: holy crap people. read the article. the camera got turned off while they were fighting Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By wvfarrier: It should be an automatic revocation of LEO certification for muting or turning off body cameras What I’m wondering about, is the responding officers muting their cameras upon arriving on scene. I get that there have been lawsuits and uproar over BWC recording… less than appropriate comments (often from the guys standing around rather than actively engaged in anything), but it’s not a good look. |