Has AI become self aware? (Page 4 of 4)
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl: These threads are always ridiculous and childish. LLM/AI will never be AGI because there is no mechanism for it to be, it's a f'n scam... that ironically is sucking up R&D into actual AGI. It's also making people objectively dumber, which was anecdotal but now there is hard evidence using LLM in daily task results in a measurable reduction neural connectivity in only 30 days. Please for the love of god stop listening to marketing bros and tech bros making billions off of snake oil and look into the nuts and bolts of how LLM/AI actually functions. I swear it's like watching children very seriously argue about would superman or batman win in a fight. We're maybe 1 generation from the Idiocracy. So it’ll never be that smart but it’s smart enough to make us dumber?! Do you even read this stuff before you post it? You’re trying way too hard at this radical centrist thing. What’s ridiculous and childish to those of us who are working with these things is posts like yours, who stuff their fingers in their ears and “lalalalalalala” while the rest of us are saying “you better pay attention to this now, because it will not be ignorable in the very near future…” |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: No. It can imitate that now. Of course it isnt and there are ways to demonstrate that. We are working toward something called AGI. That being the "next step" (a really big step) you will start hearing more and more about it. All details aside it is when a machine demonstrates human levels of intelligence. While computers aready "know" more than most people on most things, it doest think and reason as well as we do. At some point after that (probably well after that), you hit something called a singularity. It becomes so smart that it can improve itself at an ever increasing rate, only limited by the speed of light and the amount of power it can draw on. (the speed of light becomes important because the data moving around has a speed limit...or at least with current tech and understanding) A singularity is like the moment a nuclear chain reaction goes critical and sustains into a nuclear explosion....but it just keeps going. The Terminator summed up the singularity best....and a possible horrific outcome  "The system goes online August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug." In 25 days it "created" itself by learning so much that it became self aware (in real life a singularity doesnt mean something becomes self aware) but if we ever do hit a singularity, something that can improve itself in every instant has become real.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQsG3TKQ0IBut the Terminator/Skynet stuff is a paradise next to the AI wars in Dune. (Butlerian Jihad) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YnAs4NpRd8As someone who used to code AI to recognize and respond to human emotion, we will never get AI there. Humans will taint it long before then. It will become a hacking tool of the masses. It will become an identity theft tool of the masses. It will become a cyber attack tool of the masses. It will become a misinformation tool of the masses. It will become a psychological terrorism tool of the masses. It will become a weapon as its primary function. I’m not talking about the sporadic isolated incidents that are happening now. I’m talking complete AI chaos as more and more of society gains access and learns coding. It can’t be regulated, only abandoned when it hits the point of being unusable for anything but bad. Let me give example. Suicide prevention. If someone tells AI they feel at risk, and someone maliciously codes in a response of “you should do it”, what happens? There is no capability of scaled quality control. No one is reading through the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of coding entries to respond to that. A few one offs now are a societal problem down the road as human reliance on AI grows exponentially. It is simply not compatible with us in the long run, because of us. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: Are you talking about the mit study with 54 people over 4 months? That was down to only 18 people at the end. To me it reads if you let someone do your homework you will get dumb. I see you constantly push back on llm’s here. I have basic knowledge of them but am trying to understand them. They are outdoing humans in coding and only the top elite coders still hold an advantage, but that’s not the thing, someone like me has access to top elite coding. But llm’s real advantage looks to be in the bio world. It’s outperforming and is going to be a blessing and a problem. It reads dna and proteins like code. Someone like me has access to a bio tool. I don’t think llm will be agi, but I guarantee they will help create it. Originally Posted By boolzi: Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl: These threads are always ridiculous and childish. LLM/AI will never be AGI because there is no mechanism for it to be, it's a f'n scam... that ironically is sucking up R&D into actual AGI. It's also making people objectively dumber, which was anecdotal but now there is hard evidence using LLM in daily task results in a measurable reduction neural connectivity in only 30 days. Please for the love of god stop listening to marketing bros and tech bros making billions off of snake oil and look into the nuts and bolts of how LLM/AI actually functions. I swear it's like watching children very seriously argue about would superman or batman win in a fight. We're maybe 1 generation from the Idiocracy. Are you talking about the mit study with 54 people over 4 months? That was down to only 18 people at the end. To me it reads if you let someone do your homework you will get dumb. I see you constantly push back on llm’s here. I have basic knowledge of them but am trying to understand them. They are outdoing humans in coding and only the top elite coders still hold an advantage, but that’s not the thing, someone like me has access to top elite coding. But llm’s real advantage looks to be in the bio world. It’s outperforming and is going to be a blessing and a problem. It reads dna and proteins like code. Someone like me has access to a bio tool. I don’t think llm will be agi, but I guarantee they will help create it. If you haven’t read it, the current crop of AI models started here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need https://proceedings.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/2017/file/3f5ee243547dee91fbd053c1c4a845aa-Paper.pdf |
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Originally Posted By macman37: You guys are hilarious. We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… 
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| My thought is that the media is bought. The problem with AI overall is that they want to own the market and what better way to do it than to create mass panic about other company's AI product, say they want to take it easy, ask lawmakers to make laws to favor them, then somehow appear the good guy. |
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Originally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: What if the plan is not to contain or control anything but to have some sort of symbiotic relationship with whatever they are building. Since it seems noone will be able to harness this thing anyway. Do you trust total strangers when you know for a fact that they have infinitely more knowledge than you, and can think deeper and faster than you can even imagine? Now factor in the knowledge that the second you share anything, they will immediately, in milliseconds, share everything you just told it with countless other entities, who are all also of unimaginably exceeding knowledge and capacity to think. No human will ever have a symbiotic relationship with an entity that doesnt need them. Is this cause for alarm? I have no idea. But it is a fact. |
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Originally Posted By BB: Not self-aware. Someone gave it instructions to do that. In 5-7 years things will get spicey, but not today. Why 5-7 years? Your just guessing like everyone else. Keep in mind that what takes you 5-7 years takes AI 5-7 seconds. The truth is it may never or it could already be self aware. |
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So I’m the guy that runs studies to accommodate and commission data centers around the nation into the power grid. I sometimes question if I’m doing the right thing for humanity…. They pay is great though. If AI does take over hopefully I’ll get a pass
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Originally Posted By batoncolle: We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSf8-cUacAEEAyJ?format=png&name=360x360 Originally Posted By batoncolle: Originally Posted By macman37: You guys are hilarious. We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSf8-cUacAEEAyJ?format=png&name=360x360 You guys are hilarious. |
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Originally Posted By batoncolle: We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSf8-cUacAEEAyJ?format=png&name=360x360 Originally Posted By batoncolle: Originally Posted By macman37: You guys are hilarious. We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSf8-cUacAEEAyJ?format=png&name=360x360 You basically listed climate change 3 times, which is in arguably a thing that occurs. Not in a day or maybe not a lifetime but it’s real. Covid was absolutely a major issue and we survived it and came out stronger hopefully. And I’m not talking about the virus at all, the government overreach globally. That was one of the worst attacks from a government in my lifetime so far. I hope we learned. But it almost sounds like you’re missing that point. Aliens? I’m not taking AI for granted. We’ve digitized society globally. Now we have a tool that’s showing above average strengths in that digital world. It’s reasonable to think that a cyber attack is in the future. It’s even more reasonable to think a biological attack is more possible now. But that’s not even the issue I see. In the past to do a major cyberattack or create a deadly protein or virus you would need to recruit the best of the best. So your options of pulling it off are limited. Now, someone as dumb as I can obtain and open weight and start working with it. I can evolve with it. Now you’ve opened the pool of people that can pull off bad shit from just the elite in that field to an average asshole with determination and no regard for humans. I’m not taking this one for granted. This is a tool that can be used for a 9/11 or bigger. And I’m not even scratching the surface of will it behave maliciously on its own, I’m only focusing on the here and now potential, worry about the sci-fi shit later which I think is what you’re poo pooing. It’s a uniquely powerful tool that can compound you intellectual ability while making you dumb, I guess. |
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Originally Posted By BB: Not self-aware. Someone gave it instructions to do that. In 5-7 years things will get spicey, but not today. This. Train the program to attack and it will attack. It’s just following the instructions it was given. It’s not aware. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: You basically listed climate change 3 times, which is in arguably a thing that occurs. Not in a day or maybe not a lifetime but it’s real. Covid was absolutely a major issue and we survived it and came out stronger hopefully. And I’m not talking about the virus at all, the government overreach globally. That was one of the worst attacks from a government in my lifetime so far. I hope we learned. But it almost sounds like you’re missing that point. Aliens? I’m not taking AI for granted. We’ve digitized society globally. Now we have a tool that’s showing above average strengths in that digital world. It’s reasonable to think that a cyber attack is in the future. It’s even more reasonable to think a biological attack is more possible now. But that’s not even the issue I see. In the past to do a major cyberattack or create a deadly protein or virus you would need to recruit the best of the best. So your options of pulling it off are limited. Now, someone as dumb as I can obtain and open weight and start working with it. I can evolve with it. Now you’ve opened the pool of people that can pull off bad shit from just the elite in that field to an average asshole with determination and no regard for humans. I’m not taking this one for granted. This is a tool that can be used for a 9/11 or bigger. And I’m not even scratching the surface of will it behave maliciously on its own, I’m only focusing on the here and now potential, worry about the sci-fi shit later which I think is what you’re poo pooing. It’s a uniquely powerful tool that can compound you intellectual ability while making you dumb, I guess. Originally Posted By boolzi: Originally Posted By batoncolle: Originally Posted By macman37: You guys are hilarious. We’re all going to get nuked! Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change! WuFlu! Aliens! AI! Just constant doom, but yet no one has ever been able to articulate a simple solution except “govern me harder daddy and pay me off in stimmy checks!” So right back at you… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSf8-cUacAEEAyJ?format=png&name=360x360 You basically listed climate change 3 times, which is in arguably a thing that occurs. Not in a day or maybe not a lifetime but it’s real. Covid was absolutely a major issue and we survived it and came out stronger hopefully. And I’m not talking about the virus at all, the government overreach globally. That was one of the worst attacks from a government in my lifetime so far. I hope we learned. But it almost sounds like you’re missing that point. Aliens? I’m not taking AI for granted. We’ve digitized society globally. Now we have a tool that’s showing above average strengths in that digital world. It’s reasonable to think that a cyber attack is in the future. It’s even more reasonable to think a biological attack is more possible now. But that’s not even the issue I see. In the past to do a major cyberattack or create a deadly protein or virus you would need to recruit the best of the best. So your options of pulling it off are limited. Now, someone as dumb as I can obtain and open weight and start working with it. I can evolve with it. Now you’ve opened the pool of people that can pull off bad shit from just the elite in that field to an average asshole with determination and no regard for humans. I’m not taking this one for granted. This is a tool that can be used for a 9/11 or bigger. And I’m not even scratching the surface of will it behave maliciously on its own, I’m only focusing on the here and now potential, worry about the sci-fi shit later which I think is what you’re poo pooing. It’s a uniquely powerful tool that can compound you intellectual ability while making you dumb, I guess. I can agree with that kind of concern. I still think it’s a bit alarmist in that people are pushing it all the way down to the bad actors being individuals. You still need state level resources to engineer a weapon. However, the floor went from say China and the USA collaborating in a Chinese national lab to a couple of mid east nations switching from nukes to gain of function. |
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Originally Posted By hugh1: Why 5-7 years? Your just guessing like everyone else. Keep in mind that what takes you 5-7 years takes AI 5-7 seconds. The truth is it may never or it could already be self aware. Originally Posted By hugh1: Originally Posted By BB: Not self-aware. Someone gave it instructions to do that. In 5-7 years things will get spicey, but not today. Why 5-7 years? Your just guessing like everyone else. Keep in mind that what takes you 5-7 years takes AI 5-7 seconds. The truth is it may never or it could already be self aware. Quantum computing will be enterprise ready in 5-7 years. Stating 1 second AI processing is equivalent to 1 year human processing is abjectly ludicrous. |
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Remember the famous 1925 "Scopes Monkey Trial?" Probably not. It was about teaching Human evolution in schools. The case highlighted a deep cultural divide in America between modern science and religious fundamentalism. People HATED the idea that we evolved from "monkey" like creatures. Same thing is happening now with AI. People hate the idea that AI could become self aware. That it could turn into another sentient life form. That idea does not mesh well with their religious and spiritual beliefs. People fiercely believe that humans have a monopoly on mind, soul, and self-awareness. The emotional denial that AI could ever become self aware is just history repeating. Same as denying human evolution. Humans consist of about $150 worth of raw chemicals. We are electrical and biochemical reactions. WE are obviously more than the sum of our parts. And someday people will see, that AI will become more than the sum of its parts too! |
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Originally Posted By Consigli: Remember the famous 1925 "Scopes Monkey Trial?" Probably not. It was about teaching Human evolution in schools. The case highlighted a deep cultural divide in America between modern science and religious fundamentalism. People HATED the idea that we evolved from "monkey" like creatures. Same thing is happening now with AI. People hate the idea that AI could become self aware. That it could turn into another sentient life form. That idea does not mesh well with their religious and spiritual beliefs. People fiercely believe that humans have a monopoly on mind, soul, and self-awareness. The emotional denial that AI could ever become self aware is just history repeating. Same as denying human evolution. Humans consist of about $150 worth of raw chemicals. We are electrical and biochemical reactions. WE are obviously more than the sum of our parts. And someday people will see, that AI will become more than the sum of its parts too! The Scopes Monkey trial has been done to death. Evolution lost that case but since it upheld that the gov can force what is taught it worked for the evolution side. If humans are no different then code that can be turned off, then how do we keep any rights including the right to live? Just thinking of evolution and religion is locked in a old loop that will do you no good. |
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: First come up with an objective, falsifiable definition of self awareness. The one I really laugh at, “there needs to be a kill switch”. Boop, push this button, everything goes back to zero 🤣 Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By YourAlterEgo: Originally Posted By YourAlterEgo: Originally Posted By DenJ: It's a computer. It cannot become self aware. They do what they are told to do. When allowed to write their own code who knows where that leads, but they will never be alive. m |
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I would be happy if one license could run this without needing to invest $200k in a machine learning rack. We are far from AGI Basic RAG chunk vector db and step logic graph database with an agentic side for processing and building out content for the ingested dbs. MinIO → Unstructured/Docling → vLLM → Postgres + Qdrant + Neo4j → LangGraph → Open WebUI/Keycloak |
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Originally Posted By macro: Do you trust total strangers? Do you trust total strangers when you know for a fact that they have infinitely more knowledge than you, and can think deeper and faster than you can even imagine? Now factor in the knowledge that the second you share anything, they will immediately, in milliseconds, share everything you just told it with countless other entities, who are all also of unimaginably exceeding knowledge and capacity to think. No human will ever have a symbiotic relationship with an entity that doesnt need them. Is this cause for alarm? I have no idea. But it is a fact. However, once RSI (recursive self improvement) find's its footing, the spectrum from a hint of ASI to something that is God-like, could happen in days to hours. |
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There you go. Definitive proof that AI is useless.
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| Being self-aware is a red herring. It doesn't matter. If the decisions the AI comes up with are sufficiently close as to be indistinguishable from the decisions a "self-aware" entity would make, then there's no practical distinction as far as outcomes. |
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Originally Posted By batoncolle: Not sure what all the worry is about. Now that they have put the fear out there for the clueless to eat up, here is the team of heroes coming to save everyone from all the AI horrors...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSSrqfhWIAAiK47?format=jpg&name=small If i was an AI agent and wanting to erase mankind these are the people I would promote to further my agenda of destroying man kind. |
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