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Originally Posted By LoneMouser: In God we trust, everybody else bring data. Guy voted more conservatively than just anyone else in congress, including the 2A, and took $0 in Israeli money unlike the majority in Congress... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/598037/Massie_Liberty_Score-3717933.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/598037/Massie_Aipac_Tracker-3829144.jpg
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Originally Posted By FMJ3: Why would he need AIPAC money when he's bankrolled by the dems and muslims???
Originally Posted By FMJ3: Originally Posted By LoneMouser: In God we trust, everybody else bring data. Guy voted more conservatively than just anyone else in congress, including the 2A, and took $0 in Israeli money unlike the majority in Congress... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/598037/Massie_Liberty_Score-3717933.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/598037/Massie_Aipac_Tracker-3829144.jpg
Hopefully that X account actually knows the difference between the FCC and the FEC….. If you actually look up the people named there on the FEC website, they’re Arlington, TX based owners of a car dealer chain and a tech company serving dealerships. MEI Group. Wow, I can’t believe Massie gets donations from American businesspeople who have Arab names, that’s so crazy. It looks like they donated to Dems in 2021-2023ish, and Massie + MTG more recently. Are you upset by the fact that someone might have switched parties? |
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Originally Posted By geez1234: Hopefully that X account actually knows the difference between the FCC and the FEC….. If you actually look up the people named there on the FEC website, they’re Arlington, TX based owners of a car dealer chain and a tech company serving dealerships. MEI Group. Wow, I can’t believe Massie gets donations from American businesspeople who have Arab names, that’s so crazy. It looks like they donated to Dems in 2021-2023ish, and Massie + MTG more recently. Are you upset by the fact that someone might have switched parties? Muslims are Muslims. It's clear why they support him, and it isn't because they support America because they don't. |
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Originally Posted By DonS: Muslims are Muslims. It's clear why they support him, and it isn't because they support America because they don't. Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By geez1234: Hopefully that X account actually knows the difference between the FCC and the FEC .. If you actually look up the people named there on the FEC website, they're Arlington, TX based owners of a car dealer chain and a tech company serving dealerships. MEI Group. Wow, I can't believe Massie gets donations from American businesspeople who have Arab names, that's so crazy. It looks like they donated to Dems in 2021-2023ish, and Massie + MTG more recently. Are you upset by the fact that someone might have switched parties? Muslims are Muslims. It's clear why they support him, and it isn't because they support America because they don't. Yep, several came and said why they supported him - it ain't because they were pro-America. 
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Originally Posted By FMJ3: Why would he need AIPAC money when he's bankrolled by the dems and muslims??? Originally Posted By FMJ3: Why would he need AIPAC money when he's bankrolled by the dems and muslims??? LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... A record-shattering $37M was spent on Kentucky's Massie-Gallrein race. Here's who funded it... Most of the $37 million spent in the contentious GOP primary between Congressman Thomas Massie and Ed Gallrein was by PACs funded by pro-Trump billionaires, pro-Israel groups and dark money. The largest-spending group was MAGA KY, which was formed by Trump campaign advisers and aired ads attacking Massie for nearly a year. It reported spending a total of $7.4 million, with nearly $3 million of those advertisements launching in the final two weeks of the primary. This final ad push by MAGA KY at the close of the campaign was largely funded by America 21 PAC, which directed a total of $4.4 million to the PAC. The largest donor of both PACs was hedge fund manager Paul Singer, a major Trump donor who combined to give them $3 million. Also giving $1 million to America 21 was Jonthan Pollock, the co-CEO of the same investment firm as Singer. Another top donor to MAGA KY was Israeli-American casino magnate Miriam Adelson. She contributed $750,000 directly to the PAC last year, and is the top donor of MAGA Inc., another Trump-aligned PAC that gave $560,000 in the final week of the primary. Billionaire hedge fund manager John Paulson was another top donor, giving a combined $410,000 to MAGA KY and America 21 PAC. Other top donors late in the race to America 21 PAC include: - The Conservative Record ($1 million), a news site linked to commentators Mark Levin and Glenn Beck - Stephen Schwarzman ($400,000), the CEO of private equity giant Blackstone - Kelly Craft ($100,000), Kentucky GOP donor and former candidate for governor - Marlene Ricketts ($50,000), owner of the Chicago Cubs - Two separate PACs with a mission to help pro-Israel candidates also combined to spent $8 million on independent ads to help Gallrein and defeat Massie. Spending $4.1 million on mostly attack ads against Massie was United Democracy Project, a PAC largely funded by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the most prominent pro-Israel political group in the country. The same PAC spent $15 million to defeat Bowman in the 2024 primary in New York. Spending $3.9 million on mostly positive Gallrein ads was the Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. The group received $350,000 from the Congressional Leadership Fund — the top super PAC for House GOP candidates — and $250,000 from Trulieve, a Florida cannabis company. But the identity of RCJ Victory Fund’s top donor is unclear, as it reported receiving $5 million from Kua Ventures LLC — which has a New Hampshire mailing address, but no online footprint. Pro-Israel groups were vocal about their desire to defeat Massie, who was an unapologetic critic of Israel’s military action in Gaza that followed the 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Massie supports cutting off military aid to Israel, calling its action in Gaza a genocide and blaming it for pulling Trump into the ongoing war with Iran. |
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Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: You mean we overthrew the Soviet puppet and installed our own? Welcome to the Cold war ..... That's not actually what happened. Mossadegh was appointed by the Shah. Constitutionally the Shah had the power to appoint on his own, but it became custom for him to have the Majlis vote (it was basically a process lite Senate confirmation of justices, except weaker since it wasn't in their Constitution). When the Shah decided to remove him Mossadegh staged the actual coup and remained in power. Kermit Roosevelt's plan to oust Mossadegh failed, and it was actually Iranians who ended up taking him down. Roosevelt exaggerated his importance in events and the US importance in the 1953 events in Iran. |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Not being able to do anything with their own side? Desperately searching for approval? Vain and desperate? Attention seeking vanity? Thats Trump, my dude, in a nutshell… Yet here you are… How emotional and passionate you are, but totally unable to turn that critical eye toward the right people… That also describes never trumpers. But Trump has actual virtues, which never trumpers lack. |
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Originally Posted By Master_Shake: You mean the JCPOA that Trump withdrew the US from in 2018? I'm sure that was Obama's fault as well or Biden's fault or both. Anyone's fault but the person that did it. Just like how it's Obama's fault Trump started a war Iran. Poor Trump, all his bad decisions are someone else's fault.  The fault lies with Obama creating the JCPOA, which was garbage. It was simply cover for Iran to develop nukes. |
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Originally Posted By LoneMouser: LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... Go look it up yourself, I'm not making it up. The narrative that the jews took him out just isn't accurate. He was no fan of AIPAC, no doubt there, but it wasn't demented boomers and it wasn't space jews. It was Trump, quit making us Gen Xers look bad. |
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Originally Posted By LoneMouser: LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... Originally Posted By LoneMouser: Originally Posted By FMJ3: Why would he need AIPAC money when he's bankrolled by the dems and muslims??? LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... A record-shattering $37M was spent on Kentucky's Massie-Gallrein race. Here's who funded it... Most of the $37 million spent in the contentious GOP primary between Congressman Thomas Massie and Ed Gallrein was by PACs funded by pro-Trump billionaires, pro-Israel groups and dark money. The largest-spending group was MAGA KY, which was formed by Trump campaign advisers and aired ads attacking Massie for nearly a year. It reported spending a total of $7.4 million, with nearly $3 million of those advertisements launching in the final two weeks of the primary. This final ad push by MAGA KY at the close of the campaign was largely funded by America 21 PAC, which directed a total of $4.4 million to the PAC. The largest donor of both PACs was hedge fund manager Paul Singer, a major Trump donor who combined to give them $3 million. Also giving $1 million to America 21 was Jonthan Pollock, the co-CEO of the same investment firm as Singer. Another top donor to MAGA KY was Israeli-American casino magnate Miriam Adelson. She contributed $750,000 directly to the PAC last year, and is the top donor of MAGA Inc., another Trump-aligned PAC that gave $560,000 in the final week of the primary. Billionaire hedge fund manager John Paulson was another top donor, giving a combined $410,000 to MAGA KY and America 21 PAC. Other top donors late in the race to America 21 PAC include: - The Conservative Record ($1 million), a news site linked to commentators Mark Levin and Glenn Beck - Stephen Schwarzman ($400,000), the CEO of private equity giant Blackstone - Kelly Craft ($100,000), Kentucky GOP donor and former candidate for governor - Marlene Ricketts ($50,000), owner of the Chicago Cubs - Two separate PACs with a mission to help pro-Israel candidates also combined to spent $8 million on independent ads to help Gallrein and defeat Massie. Spending $4.1 million on mostly attack ads against Massie was United Democracy Project, a PAC largely funded by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the most prominent pro-Israel political group in the country. The same PAC spent $15 million to defeat Bowman in the 2024 primary in New York. Spending $3.9 million on mostly positive Gallrein ads was the Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. The group received $350,000 from the Congressional Leadership Fund — the top super PAC for House GOP candidates — and $250,000 from Trulieve, a Florida cannabis company. But the identity of RCJ Victory Fund’s top donor is unclear, as it reported receiving $5 million from Kua Ventures LLC — which has a New Hampshire mailing address, but no online footprint. Pro-Israel groups were vocal about their desire to defeat Massie, who was an unapologetic critic of Israel’s military action in Gaza that followed the 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Massie supports cutting off military aid to Israel, calling its action in Gaza a genocide and blaming it for pulling Trump into the ongoing war with Iran. IIRC both sides spent almost the same amount of money. Both sides spent 18+ mil. A few hundred thousand difference. The Massie campaign spent more money than the pro Israel money against him. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Nobody is disputing the numbers. But they didn't outspend Massie by much. A mil or 2 maybe. Massie was very well funded. Go look it up yourself, I'm not making it up. The narrative that the jews took him out just isn't accurate. He was no fan of AIPAC, no doubt there, but it wasn't demented boomers and it wasn't space jews. It was Trump, quit making us Gen Xers look bad. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By LoneMouser: LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... Go look it up yourself, I'm not making it up. The narrative that the jews took him out just isn't accurate. He was no fan of AIPAC, no doubt there, but it wasn't demented boomers and it wasn't space jews. It was Trump, quit making us Gen Xers look bad. So, I'm of partial Jewish descent and generally support Israel-- I don't 100% agree with any politician including Massie, but I don't think the AIPAC stuff was why he lost his primary. He had a well-funded opponent with Trump's endorsement. Trump's popularity seems to be waning, but he is still the kingmaker within the GOP primaries or at least he was as of the SC and OK runoffs. The other factor to consider is voter enthusiasm, awareness, and motivations. It seems like a voter who was taking Trump's endorsement of Massie's opponent seriously would have been more likely to actually vote in the primary than someone who was generally fine with Massie, but not a political news junkie. |
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Originally Posted By DonS: That also describes never trumpers. But Trump has actual virtues, which never trumpers lack. Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Not being able to do anything with their own side? Desperately searching for approval? Vain and desperate? Attention seeking vanity? Thats Trump, my dude, in a nutshell… Yet here you are… How emotional and passionate you are, but totally unable to turn that critical eye toward the right people… That also describes never trumpers. But Trump has actual virtues, which never trumpers lack. Your persecution complex is showing… |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: So, I'm of partial Jewish descent and generally support Israel-- I don't 100% agree with any politician including Massie, but I don't think the AIPAC stuff was why he lost his primary. He had a well-funded opponent with Trump's endorsement. Trump's popularity seems to be waning, but he is still the kingmaker within the GOP primaries or at least he was as of the SC and OK runoffs. The other factor to consider is voter enthusiasm, awareness, and motivations. It seems like a voter who was taking Trump's endorsement of Massie's opponent seriously would have been more likely to actually vote in the primary than someone who was generally fine with Massie, but not a political news junkie. Bloomberg and others have shown that money alone doesn't cut it. Massie began working with Ro Khanna to damage Trump. Now he's gone and it's good riddance. How Massie voted doesn't matter compared to the damage he was trying to inflict that would benefit the Democrats. |
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You "Trump is always right" people got your wish. Massie is gone. Apparently you think it was Trump waking up and motivating the voters to finally take action. If so...why did they cancel the 4th District annual Lincoln Day Dinner due to low ticket requests? Where did all those motivated voters go? MAGA should be having a massive rally at the dinner about how great they are...yet something that wasn't cancelled even during COVID got cancelled because no one wants to attend now. From a conservative Republican State Rep that is in part of District 4.  |
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Originally Posted By DonS: Bloomberg and others have shown that money alone doesn't cut it. When the President looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would the Boomers think that would ever be a lie? When the VP looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would Boomers ever question it? When the Secretary of War says "Massie voted against party" why would they question a high ranking government official. $300 and President lying right to the faces of the public is all it takes for a sucessful psyop. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: You "Trump is always right" people got your wish. Massie is gone. Apparently you think it was Trump waking up and motivating the voters to finally take action. If so...why did they cancel the 4th District annual Lincoln Day Dinner due to low ticket requests? Where did all those motivated voters go? MAGA should be having a massive rally at the dinner about how great they are...yet something that wasn't cancelled even during COVID got cancelled because no one wants to attend now. From a conservative Republican State Rep that is in part of District 4. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/4th_lincoln-3829260.png  ...who else is responsible? You guys are like a Massachusetts murder jury.  |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: It takes money and strategy. Trump and AIPAC targeted the boomers using regular media and it worked. $300 and a successful strategy is all it takes to run a successful psyop. When the President looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would the Boomers think that would ever be a lie? When the VP looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would Boomers ever question it? When the Secretary of War says "Massie voted against party" why would they question a high ranking government official. $300 and President lying right to the faces of the public is all it takes for a sucessful psyop. Also, isn't this pretty standard for politics? If they're speaking their lying? Everyone spinning and campaigning? Why did it matter this time? Do the math, even if every boomer voted as a block, if everyone else voted for him he'd have won. I'm sure they were significant but 1. they aren't all as gullible as you need them to be. 2. there aren't enough of them to matter if everyone else voted for Massie.....clearly they didn't. It's not like it was close. He got his ass kicked by 10% That's not a close race in a primary. |
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Thomas Massie Campaign: ~$8.9 million Allied outside groups/PACs: ~$9.6 million Combined total supporting Massie: over $18 Ed Gallrein Campaign: ~$3.4 million Outside groups/PACs (mainly MAGA KY ~$7.4M AIPAC’s United Democracy Project ~$4.1–4.2M Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund ~$3.9M) Combined total supporting Gallrein: ~$18.9 Overall race total: Approximately $37 million |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: It takes money and strategy. Trump and AIPAC targeted the boomers using regular media and it worked. $300 and a successful strategy is all it takes to run a successful psyop. When the President looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would the Boomers think that would ever be a lie? When the VP looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would Boomers ever question it? When the Secretary of War says "Massie voted against party" why would they question a high ranking government official. $300 and President lying right to the faces of the public is all it takes for a sucessful psyop. Massie targeted himself by working with Ro Khanna to attack Trump because Israel. When you do that you are effectively working with the other side and how you voted isn't particularly relevant. |
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Massie was just too egotistical or too stupid to understand American politics or at least American politics with super thin majorities. Something is better than nothing. The dems spent decades chipping away our freedoms and pay checks by banding together even when they didn't want to, that ain't all coming back in one fell swoop or even in chunks without super majorities in gov't. Also, keep your family disputes within the family. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Except Massie wasn't outspent to any significant degree. We just went over that. This is either someone that is also not well informed or is spinning things on purpose. The bottom line is the people of his district didn't vote for him. Nobody is claiming fraud right? It's just not the result some people wanted. We've got jews and boomers....maybe jewish boomers... ...who else is responsible? You guys are like a Massachusetts murder jury. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By SWIRE: You "Trump is always right" people got your wish. Massie is gone. Apparently you think it was Trump waking up and motivating the voters to finally take action. If so...why did they cancel the 4th District annual Lincoln Day Dinner due to low ticket requests? Where did all those motivated voters go? MAGA should be having a massive rally at the dinner about how great they are...yet something that wasn't cancelled even during COVID got cancelled because no one wants to attend now. From a conservative Republican State Rep that is in part of District 4. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/4th_lincoln-3829260.png ...who else is responsible? You guys are like a Massachusetts murder jury. Trump is 100% to blame for butting into state level politics, lying to the base, and manipulating people. The results speak for themselves. Massie's out, you can't blame him for the low attendance. Those events were packed every year when he was there. That leaves the puppet ED that Trump hand selected, a nobody that clearly can't energize voters, or Trump himself forcing his way into state politics and pushing the boring puppet as being responsible for low turn out. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: cause 3/4s of everything he says is some form of not true? Also, isn't this pretty standard for politics? If they're speaking their lying? Everyone spinning and campaigning? Why did it matter this time? Do the math, even if every boomer voted as a block, if everyone else voted for him he'd have won. I'm sure they were significant but 1. they aren't all as gullible as you need them to be. 2. there aren't enough of them to matter if everyone else voted for Massie.....clearly they didn't. It's not like it was close. He got his ass kicked by 10% That's not a close race in a primary. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By SWIRE: It takes money and strategy. Trump and AIPAC targeted the boomers using regular media and it worked. $300 and a successful strategy is all it takes to run a successful psyop. When the President looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would the Boomers think that would ever be a lie? When the VP looks into the camera and says "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time" why would Boomers ever question it? When the Secretary of War says "Massie voted against party" why would they question a high ranking government official. $300 and President lying right to the faces of the public is all it takes for a sucessful psyop. Also, isn't this pretty standard for politics? If they're speaking their lying? Everyone spinning and campaigning? Why did it matter this time? Do the math, even if every boomer voted as a block, if everyone else voted for him he'd have won. I'm sure they were significant but 1. they aren't all as gullible as you need them to be. 2. there aren't enough of them to matter if everyone else voted for Massie.....clearly they didn't. It's not like it was close. He got his ass kicked by 10% That's not a close race in a primary. How about you answer the question. If people love the nobody puppet Ed so much, where the fuck are they? |
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Originally Posted By FMJ3: Massie was just too egotistical or too stupid to understand American politics or at least American politics with super thin majorities. Something is better than nothing. The dems spent decades chipping away our freedoms and pay checks by banding together even when they didn't want to, that ain't all coming back in one fell swoop or even in chunks without super majorities in gov't. Also, keep your family disputes within the family. The House has a larger than +1 majority, Massie's vote was never needed for anything. Massie voted with the party over 90% of time. Trump, Vance, and Hegseth flat out lied to the people when they claimed "Massie voted against the party 100% of the time". Something is better than nothing, the Massie would have been better than dividing the Republican party, alienating the base, and the end result will be Republicans stay home as the Dems sweep the House. That $20 million Trump spent dividing the Republican party would have been better spent on Senate races right now so the Dems don't take the Senate as well. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: you missed the whole point. The Lincoln Day Dinner is when all the high profile donors, state level candidates, business owners and locals heavily invested into politics attend. Those are the real base and the ones who donate to help people get elected. That whole group, thanks to Trump, said "Fuck It' this year. Trump is 100% to blame for butting into state level politics, lying to the base, and manipulating people. The results speak for themselves. Massie's out, you can't blame him for the low attendance. Those events were packed every year when he was there. That leaves the puppet ED that Trump hand selected, a nobody that clearly can't energize voters, or Trump himself forcing his way into state politics and pushing the boring puppet as being responsible for low turn out. What does the dinner have to do with the fact that Massie shot himself in the dick and lost an election that was as honest as any in recent memory? At what point does Thomas take responsibility? |
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Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I believe I'm tracking it correctly now! To the point where I can quickly shut down the 'We've been told "They're about to obtain nukes" how many times already?' statements from the retards. Their stated intention was to attain nukes. They blocked international inspections. They were about to attain nukes, were nothing done. Some things were done. This delayed them obtaining nukes. Now, who EXACTLY is "the retards" - those who deny this statement of fact, or those who repeat it? |
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People can hate on Massie all they want...but watch this video and show me where anything he says is wrong. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14pCBagbTo2/ Since I know people are too lazy to do their own research I'll add the key points. He asks, why not the $5,000 before the election. Then points out the Republicans are running against socialism and Trump promised "$5,000 to everyone" which is socialism if Republicans win. Massie voted for the SAVE Act every time it came up but the Senate isn't going to pass it. He points out how the Republicans claim the elections were stolen...as they have the majority in the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court. If Republicans won, how were they stolen from them? He asks why Congress is being called off when they have the Majority. He didn't say it but Republicans are voluntarily giving up their ability to government for 50 more days. He calls out the Uniparty telling people they have to vote on certain bills but can then vote how they want on other bills. The Uniparty likes compliant politicians who do as they are told. How they sell/rent out committee seats. You buy your influence. He also calls out how this election is similar to 2006 when the Iraq war was bogged down. He lays out everything that many here assumed was happening. He's out so there is nothing to gain by what he said. He's just laying it all out there for everyone. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Congressional seats aren't state level politics. Reps don't vote on state level issues. They are not state politicians any more than federal senators are. As far as the dinner goes I don't know, the guy with all the connections established got shit stomped, the new guy is going to win easily, and republicans are having a moment in general, so maybe nobody has a reason to show up? What does the dinner have to do with the fact that Massie shot himself in the dick and lost an election that was as honest as any in recent memory? At what point does Thomas take responsibility? Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By SWIRE: you missed the whole point. The Lincoln Day Dinner is when all the high profile donors, state level candidates, business owners and locals heavily invested into politics attend. Those are the real base and the ones who donate to help people get elected. That whole group, thanks to Trump, said "Fuck It' this year. Trump is 100% to blame for butting into state level politics, lying to the base, and manipulating people. The results speak for themselves. Massie's out, you can't blame him for the low attendance. Those events were packed every year when he was there. That leaves the puppet ED that Trump hand selected, a nobody that clearly can't energize voters, or Trump himself forcing his way into state politics and pushing the boring puppet as being responsible for low turn out. What does the dinner have to do with the fact that Massie shot himself in the dick and lost an election that was as honest as any in recent memory? At what point does Thomas take responsibility? It's clear you know nothing about politics or what the dinner is for. |
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Originally Posted By Citadel-SC: Good grief the histrionics. Originally Posted By Citadel-SC: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By ChudditePrime: Lol being critical of politicians makes you a snowflake. What a patriotic stance. I think it's ironic to accuse others of attention seeking vanity and feelings of superiority in defense of a man like Trump. Sincerely, 3 time Trump voter who must have had TDS all these years but never showed any symptoms until we got a new war. Clearly we're the problem, not politicians who deceive voters to advance the agenda of their donors with foreign citizenship. Again, NOT a new war. A 47 year old war where the other side was about to get nukes to end the world. Good grief the histrionics. By all means - elaborate on the "histrionics". How well do you understand fundamentalist 12'er Shia Islam, which is not just the official state religion of Iran, it is also the GOVERNMENT of Iran. You know, the people calling the shots? The ones shooting up the Straight, killing the protestors, that invaded our embassy and held hostages? Those guys? What is the official position of the government of Iran on nuclear weapons, the destruction of the United States and Israel, and creating the conditions for the return of the 12th Imam? Since my posts are "histrionics", you must know SO MUCH more than me on the subject so please, state your credentials and educate us poor hysterical rubes. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: you missed the whole point. The Lincoln Day Dinner is when all the high profile donors, state level candidates, business owners and locals heavily invested into politics attend. Those are the real base and the ones who donate to help people get elected. That whole group, thanks to Trump, said "Fuck It' this year. Trump is 100% to blame for butting into state level politics, lying to the base, and manipulating people. The results speak for themselves. Massie's out, you can't blame him for the low attendance. Those events were packed every year when he was there. That leaves the puppet ED that Trump hand selected, a nobody that clearly can't energize voters, or Trump himself forcing his way into state politics and pushing the boring puppet as being responsible for low turn out. Rich RINOs taking their ball and going home? Good riddance. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: People can hate on Massie all they want...but watch this video and show me where anything he says is wrong. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14pCBagbTo2/ Since I know people are too lazy to do their own research I'll add the key points. He asks, why not the $5,000 before the election. Then points out the Republicans are running against socialism and Trump promised "$5,000 to everyone" which is socialism if Republicans win. Massie voted for the SAVE Act every time it came up but the Senate isn't going to pass it. He points out how the Republicans claim the elections were stolen...as they have the majority in the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court. If Republicans won, how were they stolen from them? He asks why Congress is being called off when they have the Majority. He didn't say it but Republicans are voluntarily giving up their ability to government for 50 more days. He calls out the Uniparty telling people they have to vote on certain bills but can then vote how they want on other bills. The Uniparty likes compliant politicians who do as they are told. How they sell/rent out committee seats. You buy your influence. He also calls out how this election is similar to 2006 when the Iraq war was bogged down. He lays out everything that many here assumed was happening. He's out so there is nothing to gain by what he said. He's just laying it all out there for everyone. Given all of that, if your party has the WH the speaker/leader is not your ultimate leader, the POTUS is the head of the party. And if that POTUS has enormous popular support among your base and a fucking pile of money.....he's going to fuck you up if you piss him off. Which is exactly what Massie did. He thought the people of his district would appreciate his conviction and principals. He was wrong. They liked Trump more than they liked him. He thought the Epstein stuff had legs. I tried to tell you all it didn't. Shit happens. it doesn't require a conspiracy, or even shady politics. This is just plain old politics the way we've been doing it forever. If it makes you feel any better, Fetterman is doing the same thing. They are frantically looking for someone to run against him in his next election. The dems will do essentially the same to Fetterman that the republicans and Trump did to Massie. I explained it in three short paragraphs, and an MIT engineering grad couldn't figure it out? C'mon. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Districts are defined inside the state. So the 4th District of Kentucky has nothing to do with Kentucky or Kentucky voters...nothing to do with the state, politicians, donors, or voters. It's clear you know nothing about politics or what the dinner is for. |
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Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Rich RINOs taking their ball and going home? Good riddance. Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By SWIRE: you missed the whole point. The Lincoln Day Dinner is when all the high profile donors, state level candidates, business owners and locals heavily invested into politics attend. Those are the real base and the ones who donate to help people get elected. That whole group, thanks to Trump, said "Fuck It' this year. Trump is 100% to blame for butting into state level politics, lying to the base, and manipulating people. The results speak for themselves. Massie's out, you can't blame him for the low attendance. Those events were packed every year when he was there. That leaves the puppet ED that Trump hand selected, a nobody that clearly can't energize voters, or Trump himself forcing his way into state politics and pushing the boring puppet as being responsible for low turn out. Rich RINOs taking their ball and going home? Good riddance. |
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Originally Posted By LoneMouser: Pro-Israel groups were vocal about their desire to defeat Massie, who was an unapologetic critic of Israel’s military action in Gaza that followed the 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Massie supports cutting off military aid to Israel, calling its action in Gaza a genocide and blaming it for pulling Trump into the ongoing war with Iran. I didn't recall him attacking Israel verbally for defending itself physically. I checked Wiki and saw this (in addition to his repeated NO votes on financial aid to Israel). In November 2023, he was one of just two members of Congress to oppose a resolution affirming Israel's right to exist and equating anti-Zionism to antisemitism. (smells like Hamasshole) In July 2024, Massie boycotted Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress, calling it "political theater"; he was the only Republican to do so. Yep, he's a Hamasshole. Fuck him. Too bad, because I like the idea of an actual fiscal conservative sitting in Congress. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Yes, it's a state district, He's from Kentucky, but it's not a state level office, he has no authority at the state level, he is a member of congress, clearly a federal office. I never claimed it was a state level office. It is 100% state level politics. That why candidates call out "people outside of the state trying to influence the outcome". The Republicans did that back in 2018, they threw a fit about Nancy Pelosi is trying to buy votes for the District 6th seat. People outside of the state are trying to control Kentucky. Back then it was liberal, kill the babies up to birth, Amy McGrath that DC was funding in the most expensive US House race. A campaign video about how outsiders were funding the extreme liberal views. People have always opposed outside money and influence butting in and telling locals what to do or think.  Everywhere But Kentucky |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: You just changed your statement. The statement I responded to was "Congressional seats aren't state level politics.". I never claimed it was a state level office. It is 100% state level politics. That why candidates call out "people outside of the state trying to influence the outcome". The Republicans did that back in 2018, they threw a fit about Nancy Pelosi is trying to buy votes for the District 6th seat. People outside of the state are trying to control Kentucky. Back then it was liberal, kill the babies up to birth, Amy McGrath that DC was funding in the most expensive US House race. A campaign video about how outsiders were funding the extreme liberal views. People have always opposed outside money and influence butting in and telling locals what to do or think.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Mbkcla-ZoI think it's a federal election for a federal office, and therefor why out of state influence is pretty much standard. I mean plenty of non texans contributed to Brandon Herreras campaign...I didn't hear Gonzales bitching about it. And he's a shitbag. |
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Originally Posted By APPARITION: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFleHlxjXbCcOpd18AraQfSLTmCZD6p8v56BVI2xKnq64SIREUsQQFrnFW&s=10 Massie got over 6 million in media and in kind contributions that were not reported to the FEC....completely. Specifically Tamarack Aspen Inc. an obvious shell company incorporated in Delaware only days before a Super pac accepted donations from them. Nobody actually knows where the money came from. https://www.lpm.org/news/2026-07-17/a-record-shattering-37m-was-spent-on-kentuckys-massie-gallrein-race-heres-who-funded-it Ain't that some shit. |
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Originally Posted By LoneMouser: LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... Originally Posted By LoneMouser: Originally Posted By FMJ3: Why would he need AIPAC money when he's bankrolled by the dems and muslims??? LOL, Bankrolled?!? I hope you watch more than Fox News... And for context, I am a pissed-off Gen X conservative that not only voted for Trump every time, but also donated. I also live in what's likely the most (or at least top 5) conservative counties in the country and I can tell you this divide among conservatives is mostly generational and more and more of Gen X is opening their eyes. Link to article quoted below... A record-shattering $37M was spent on Kentucky's Massie-Gallrein race. Here's who funded it... Most of the $37 million spent in the contentious GOP primary between Congressman Thomas Massie and Ed Gallrein was by PACs funded by pro-Trump billionaires, pro-Israel groups and dark money. The largest-spending group was MAGA KY, which was formed by Trump campaign advisers and aired ads attacking Massie for nearly a year. It reported spending a total of $7.4 million, with nearly $3 million of those advertisements launching in the final two weeks of the primary. This final ad push by MAGA KY at the close of the campaign was largely funded by America 21 PAC, which directed a total of $4.4 million to the PAC. The largest donor of both PACs was hedge fund manager Paul Singer, a major Trump donor who combined to give them $3 million. Also giving $1 million to America 21 was Jonthan Pollock, the co-CEO of the same investment firm as Singer. Another top donor to MAGA KY was Israeli-American casino magnate Miriam Adelson. She contributed $750,000 directly to the PAC last year, and is the top donor of MAGA Inc., another Trump-aligned PAC that gave $560,000 in the final week of the primary. Billionaire hedge fund manager John Paulson was another top donor, giving a combined $410,000 to MAGA KY and America 21 PAC. Other top donors late in the race to America 21 PAC include: - The Conservative Record ($1 million), a news site linked to commentators Mark Levin and Glenn Beck - Stephen Schwarzman ($400,000), the CEO of private equity giant Blackstone - Kelly Craft ($100,000), Kentucky GOP donor and former candidate for governor - Marlene Ricketts ($50,000), owner of the Chicago Cubs - Two separate PACs with a mission to help pro-Israel candidates also combined to spent $8 million on independent ads to help Gallrein and defeat Massie. Spending $4.1 million on mostly attack ads against Massie was United Democracy Project, a PAC largely funded by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the most prominent pro-Israel political group in the country. The same PAC spent $15 million to defeat Bowman in the 2024 primary in New York. Spending $3.9 million on mostly positive Gallrein ads was the Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. The group received $350,000 from the Congressional Leadership Fund — the top super PAC for House GOP candidates — and $250,000 from Trulieve, a Florida cannabis company. But the identity of RCJ Victory Fund’s top donor is unclear, as it reported receiving $5 million from Kua Ventures LLC — which has a New Hampshire mailing address, but no online footprint. Pro-Israel groups were vocal about their desire to defeat Massie, who was an unapologetic critic of Israel’s military action in Gaza that followed the 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Massie supports cutting off military aid to Israel, calling its action in Gaza a genocide and blaming it for pulling Trump into the ongoing war with Iran.  |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Upon further research, it appears that the Pro-Massie side of the campaign is quite a bit more shady in their reporting of funds than the clearly Israel aligned donors. Massie got over 6 million in media and in kind contributions that were not reported to the FEC....completely. Specifically Tamarack Aspen Inc. an obvious shell company incorporated in Delaware only days before a Super pac accepted donations from them. Nobody actually knows where the money came from. https://www.lpm.org/news/2026-07-17/a-record-shattering-37m-was-spent-on-kentuckys-massie-gallrein-race-heres-who-funded-it Ain't that some shit. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By APPARITION: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFleHlxjXbCcOpd18AraQfSLTmCZD6p8v56BVI2xKnq64SIREUsQQFrnFW&s=10 Massie got over 6 million in media and in kind contributions that were not reported to the FEC....completely. Specifically Tamarack Aspen Inc. an obvious shell company incorporated in Delaware only days before a Super pac accepted donations from them. Nobody actually knows where the money came from. https://www.lpm.org/news/2026-07-17/a-record-shattering-37m-was-spent-on-kentuckys-massie-gallrein-race-heres-who-funded-it Ain't that some shit. I always liked what he seemed to stand for but the constant BS he’s spewed since makes me think I didn’t pay enough attention to who he really was. At this point he’s like a toddler in a store that didn’t get his toy. |
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Originally Posted By geez1234: Hopefully that X account actually knows the difference between the FCC and the FEC….. If you actually look up the people named there on the FEC website, they’re Arlington, TX based owners of a car dealer chain and a tech company serving dealerships. MEI Group. Wow, I can’t believe Massie gets donations from American businesspeople who have Arab names, that’s so crazy. It looks like they donated to Dems in 2021-2023ish, and Massie + MTG more recently. Are you upset by the fact that someone might have switched parties? Most large businesses donate to both parties so that no matter which one wins they have strings to pull. |
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Originally Posted By MrOHC: It would be nice if Massie and other dipshit RINOs fought the Democrats instead of Trump. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Exactly how did Massie fight Trump? Name a single bill where he was the sole Republican No vote that killed it. Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By MrOHC: It would be nice if Massie and other dipshit RINOs fought the Democrats instead of Trump. Massie drew ire for voting against the OBBB because of the spending (for all the crap Paul Ryan got, at least he knew how to cut spending). Massie draws ire for voting to end Trump’s not-congressionally-declared war/conflict in Iran as is Congress’s right. Now he’s a RINO for trying to make traditional conservative priorities a priority, because a former New York Democrat who wrote a book which included a passage on his support for assault weapon bans says Massie and Paul and whoever else doesn’t march in step is a RINO. |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Massie drew ire for voting against the OBBB because of the spending (for all the crap Paul Ryan got, at least he knew how to cut spending). Massie draws ire for voting to end Trump's not-congressionally-declared war/conflict in Iran as is Congress's right. Now he's a RINO for trying to make traditional conservative priorities a priority, because a former New York Democrat who wrote a book which included a passage on his support for assault weapon bans says Massie and Paul and whoever else doesn't march in step is a RINO. |