3D printers - So many choices! (Page 2 of 5)
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: IIRC, and I'm not a Bambu guy so research this, but didn't the P1S need upgrades before it could do much beyond ABS, including ANY fiber filaments? I think that’s because it doesn’t have an active heated chamber. The next model up (X2D) has one. ETA: I was too late. -Obsessed- gave a more knowledgable answer |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: Do not use TinkerCad. At all. Ever. It is not the proper package to build anything. It was literally designed for children to introduce them to the idea of CAD. It will do nothing but give you horrible CAD habits. Get yourself a proper CAD package. OnShape Solidworks Fusion Pick one. Winner goes to OnShape if you don't have much of a PC (it is cloud based), but have a good internet connection. All are cheap/free, though OnShape has some caveats. Sounds like good advice. I already signed up for an account but that is my description: "Introduction to CAD for children." I will get an OnShape account too for actually making items. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: Vision Miner 22 IDEX V4 or GTFO Originally Posted By Blob: Originally Posted By Keekleberrys: If you intend to print engineering filaments. Dont settle for less than 350c hotend temp and an active chamber heater. so that's H2D or H2C. Vision Miner 22 IDEX V4 or GTFO 
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Originally Posted By Dr-G: @Rat_Patrol With an OnShape free account that does not let you create? Is that correct? |
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Can anyone elaborate on the concerns with the bambu reporting folk to the gubmint? Me and a buddy were looking to go in on a X2D combo or something similar. I'm not sure what all I might get into printing but I don't like the idea of a record of all the stuff I might print... If I want to buy once and cry once, and don't mind tinkering to some degree, which machine is recommended? Are the lower tier Prusa worth looking into? |
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Originally Posted By Blob: This. Also fusion can run in a browser now but only for the paid subscription. Originally Posted By Blob: Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: Do not use TinkerCad. At all. Ever. It is not the proper package to build anything. It was literally designed for children to introduce them to the idea of CAD. It will do nothing but give you horrible CAD habits. Get yourself a proper CAD package. OnShape Solidworks Fusion Pick one. Winner goes to OnShape if you don't have much of a PC (it is cloud based), but have a good internet connection. All are cheap/free, though OnShape has some caveats. This. Also fusion can run in a browser now but only for the paid subscription. Man, fuck Autodesk. They bought Eagle Cad and then killed it. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: BaMbU jUsT wOrKs It's 2026, just about any printer you can buy is going to just work. My 5+ year old Mk3 just works, every time. My Core Ones just work, every time. My Vision Miner just works. Once you start printing materials that aren't PLA then you need to do material tuning and manual tweaking. Go look at the 3D suppressors thread in the 3DP subforum and look at all the issues the Bambus are having with printing PA6. Originally Posted By Blob: Originally Posted By O_Guiness: If your new hobby is getting a 3D printer to work get one other than Bambu, if you want to make things and learn CAD, get Bambu. BaMbU jUsT wOrKs It's 2026, just about any printer you can buy is going to just work. My 5+ year old Mk3 just works, every time. My Core Ones just work, every time. My Vision Miner just works. Once you start printing materials that aren't PLA then you need to do material tuning and manual tweaking. Go look at the 3D suppressors thread in the 3DP subforum and look at all the issues the Bambus are having with printing PA6. Hey now - that's just hurtful.... I'm currently cursing bed adhesion issues with PA6! Although, not with a Bambu |
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Originally Posted By Bign: Can anyone elaborate on the concerns with the bambu reporting folk to the gubmint? Me and a buddy were looking to go in on a X2D combo or something similar. I'm not sure what all I might get into printing but I don't like the idea of a record of all the stuff I might print... If I want to buy once and cry once, and don't mind tinkering to some degree, which machine is recommended? Are the lower tier Prusa worth looking into? Its a whole bunch of bullshit. There you go. Fully elaborated. The government doesnt want you printing shooty things. Why the fuck anyone would think China would report you, is beyond all comprehension and common sense. China WANTS you to go against the government, as that advances their agenda in the sense it is another distraction and infighting. When has China ever partnered with the US government? Exactly. Now, if you want to say they could steal IP or something like that, that is at least an argument worth talking about. I still think its a stupid argument as you can run a Bambu 100% offline like any other printer, but everyone talks about closed source and runs them down the road when Bambu has all the same offline printing capability as any other printer and the only piece of closed source software is the network plug in that interacts with their servers. BBS is open source no different than PS or OS. They also allow custom firmware loads, though frankly its unnecessary as it already comes with the capability people have to flash firmware for in other machines, like a higher hotend temp. Ultimately its just a bunch of hollaring overblown shinanigans. Not unexpected given the community. Now....could it evolve into more than that? Sure. But right now I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about Josef telling the government about my 2A prints than I would China. Again, thats just common sense in my book. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Its a whole bunch of bullshit. There you go. Fully elaborated. The government doesnt want you printing shooty things. Why the fuck anyone would think China would report you, is beyond all comprehension and common sense. China WANTS you to go against the government, as that advances their agenda in the sense it is another distraction and infighting. When has China ever partnered with the US government? Exactly. Now, if you want to say they could steal IP or something like that, that is at least an argument worth talking about. I still think its a stupid argument as you can run a Bambu 100% offline like any other printer, but everyone talks about closed source and runs them down the road when Bambu has all the same offline printing capability as any other printer and the only piece of closed source software is the network plug in that interacts with their servers. BBS is open source no different than PS or OS. They also allow custom firmware loads, though frankly its unnecessary as it already comes with the capability people have to flash firmware for in other machines, like a higher hotend temp. Ultimately its just a bunch of hollaring overblown shinanigans. Not unexpected given the community. Now....could it evolve into more than that? Sure. But right now I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about Josef telling the government about my 2A prints than I would China. Again, thats just common sense in my book. And yet we have an actual real world example of a Chinese company (flashforge) threatening to report you to the authorities for printing gun parts. What makes bambu different? |
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Originally Posted By Blob: And yet we have an actual real world example of a Chinese company (flashforge) threatening to report you to the authorities for printing gun parts. What makes bambu different? |
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Originally Posted By Spaceboy: Because they haven't done that? They literally right this second have 2A stuff on the app that you can just print. There's tons of dick waving about what they can do but no examples of them doing it. Meanwhile other brands can and have announced intentions of doing what bambu is accused of. I don't get it. The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Blob: The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160722/Screenshot_2026-09-01_071716_jpg-3820441.JPG I predict it will be passed by the Senate and signed by Newscum by the end of the month at the latest. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160722/Screenshot_2026-09-01_071716_jpg-3820441.JPG There's lots of stuff American companies do but I'm not going to accuse all of them based on something another does. That's paranoia man. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160722/Screenshot_2026-09-01_071716_jpg-3820441.JPG Originally Posted By Blob: Originally Posted By Spaceboy: Because they haven't done that? They literally right this second have 2A stuff on the app that you can just print. There's tons of dick waving about what they can do but no examples of them doing it. Meanwhile other brands can and have announced intentions of doing what bambu is accused of. I don't get it. The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160722/Screenshot_2026-09-01_071716_jpg-3820441.JPG All consumer grade 3D printer companies aside from Prusa and maybe Zortrax are Chinese. Maybe there’s another outlier or two. ETA: Prusa, UltiMaker, Formlabs, Phrozen, LulzBot, Zortrax, Craftbot. All the rest are PRC-based and/or PRC-manufactured. |
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I wanted easy and just works for the first one. Reduce the number of variables and keep my son's interest. Bambu P1S with AMS2. We've had some failed prints: clogged nozzle, heat creep, variations in filament, but some very successful ones (drawn from scratch parts). I'm not real interested in printing plastic guns and suppressors. I sold my P80s after the novelty wore off and I have plenty of cans. I am planning to print some Magpul bolt grip cores in PETG though. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By RV8guy: The Ender 3 just worked. Slow but it worked. *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. After leveling the bed manually after every time you had to fight to get something off of the build plate, and setting the z manually, and adding a glass plate because the bed warped, and when it didn't eat microSD cards.  Going from an Ender 3 to a P1S was like going from a go-kart to a Lexus. |
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Originally Posted By JVD: After leveling the bed manually after every time you had to fight to get something off of the build plate, and setting the z manually, and adding a glass plate because the bed warped, and when it didn't eat microSD cards. Going from an Ender 3 to a P1S was like going from a go-kart to a Lexus. Originally Posted By JVD: Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By RV8guy: The Ender 3 just worked. Slow but it worked. *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. After leveling the bed manually after every time you had to fight to get something off of the build plate, and setting the z manually, and adding a glass plate because the bed warped, and when it didn't eat microSD cards. Going from an Ender 3 to a P1S was like going from a go-kart to a Lexus. Everybody I've known IRL with an Ender 3 has said "NO, they're really great, mine works just fine!" Then I ask "what did you mod to get it that way?", and by the time they list every part they replaced... there wasn't much of the original printer any more.  Prusas and Bambus fit the 'it just works' so well that it's silly. |
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Originally Posted By VacaDuck: California AB 2047, the Firearm Printing Prevention Act, has passed in the State Assembley and is now working through the State Senate. I predict it will be passed by the Senate and signed by Newscum by the end of the month at the latest. Originally Posted By VacaDuck: Originally Posted By Blob: The argument was that a Chinese company won't report us. Yet, a Chinese company threatened to report us. Bambu is a Chinese company, so why should we not be concerned? The argument was that Prusa is more likely to report us. Yet, Prusa has not threatened to report us. This is Prusa's stance on the AI detection algorithms: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160722/Screenshot_2026-09-01_071716_jpg-3820441.JPG I predict it will be passed by the Senate and signed by Newscum by the end of the month at the latest. I wish the world would stop doing business with California |
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Originally Posted By mojeb21: Bambu still . They can't control filament choice. It's an easy work around if they did try i have a bambu x1-c and an h2s. both have been flawless. i have never used bambu filments. the only reason for "needing them" would be the automated filament use tracking via nfc reader. i have never used it. both can be used in lan mode if you don't want their cloud service. |
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Originally Posted By O_Guiness: What part am I wrong about? Voron is a hobby to its self. Prusa is far behind. prior to buying my x1c i was a prusa fan. when it was time to upgrade mk mk3s prusa wasn't even in the game anymore. multi head and multi material was a shitshow for them. their existing multi filament solution at the time was a multi year shit show many never were able to make work. bambu support has been perfectly successful and their online manuals are excellent. parts are cheap and easy to find although i have never really needed to replace anything. they pretty much just work out of the box. no mods or upgrades needed. |
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Originally Posted By Dr-G: IDK. The ad states all kinds of filament types. Hmmm. the p1s is an entry hobby level printer. it was not designed for engineering grade filaments but could easily and cheaply be upgraded to run some. it's main drawback was it was limited on the heat side which needs much higher temps. that where you got into the x1-c of that generation. |
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Originally Posted By GlutealCleft: Everybody I've known IRL with an Ender 3 has said "NO, they're really great, mine works just fine!" Then I ask "what did you mod to get it that way?", and by the time they list every part they replaced... there wasn't much of the original printer any more. Prusas and Bambus fit the 'it just works' so well that it's silly. Originally Posted By GlutealCleft: Originally Posted By JVD: Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By RV8guy: The Ender 3 just worked. Slow but it worked. *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. After leveling the bed manually after every time you had to fight to get something off of the build plate, and setting the z manually, and adding a glass plate because the bed warped, and when it didn't eat microSD cards. Going from an Ender 3 to a P1S was like going from a go-kart to a Lexus. Everybody I've known IRL with an Ender 3 has said "NO, they're really great, mine works just fine!" Then I ask "what did you mod to get it that way?", and by the time they list every part they replaced... there wasn't much of the original printer any more. Prusas and Bambus fit the 'it just works' so well that it's silly. my first was a tevo tornado. it made the ender 3 look like a commercial machine lol |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By RV8guy: The Ender 3 just worked. Slow but it worked. *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. Mine has been fine for a decade now. Rollers are getting pretty bad though. |
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: I wish the world would stop doing business with California |
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I have one of the Flashforge AD5M's....probably had it for a year and a half, and I love it! Right out of the box, with the default settings....it printed awesome! I've dialed it in a little more, and so far I've been nothing buy happy with it. And if you have any questions, their customer service is pretty awesome as well. I have no complaints at all. |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: my first was a tevo tornado. it made the ender 3 look like a commercial machine lol I remember when you got the Tornado. I picked one up shortly after. That thing was a bunch of work. |
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Originally Posted By merdenom5: I've noticed the photos of Bambu prints people are posting on here look like dog shit compared to what my $300 Creality K1 can do out of the box. Maybe they aren't drying their pa6-cf properly. 
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I have a Qidi Plus 4 and love it, but am dealing with fixing the chamber heater at the moment which was defective but is being warrantied. Qidi makes great printers that are about on par with Bambu. Their newest one has a large print area and they have an even larger one if you need it. I saw some recent results about print accuracy, and apparently Prusa has THE best, followed by Bambu. I REALLY want a Bambu H2C, but the stance they have taken about their "ecosystem" and the recent accuracy testing I saw would be looking hard at Prusa's tool changer model. |
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Originally Posted By Alien: I have a Qidi Plus 4 and love it, but am dealing with fixing the chamber heater at the moment which was defective but is being warrantied. Qidi makes great printers that are about on par with Bambu. Their newest one has a large print area and they have an even larger one if you need it. I saw some recent results about print accuracy, and apparently Prusa has THE best, followed by Bambu. I REALLY want a Bambu H2C, but the stance they have taken about their "ecosystem" and the recent accuracy testing I saw would be looking hard at Prusa's tool changer model. the eco system issue is honestly way overblown. they can easily be used with other slicers and lan mode like anything else. print accuracy in reality is damn close to the same and the h series can be improved down to under 5μm resolution with the encoder plate tuning and engineering filaments. neither of which anyones eyball will be able to tell the difference. for prototyping or production design either are acceptable. if you need better than this you need an industrial printer not a consumer model. both are good options. jmho i feel the bambu is significantly more refined as a comsumer printer. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: *10% of the Ender 3s made worked, approximately half the time. Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By RV8guy:The Ender 3 just worked. Slow but it worked.
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Originally Posted By Blob: BaMbU jUsT wOrKs It's 2026, just about any printer you can buy is going to just work. My 5+ year old Mk3 just works, every time. My Core Ones just work, every time. My Vision Miner just works. Once you start printing materials that aren't PLA then you need to do material tuning and manual tweaking. Go look at the 3D suppressors thread in the 3DP subforum and look at all the issues the Bambus are having with printing PA6. My K1 Max just works. Of course, the guy I bought it from for $150 got rid of it because it had a melty blob and threw away the heat sink. I put a $7 heat sink in it and haven’t had a single issue since then. The damn thing just prints |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Toss the printer. Keep the filament. Still a win. Unless it is creality filament. Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb:Well dang. I just got one with an upgraded board and several kilos of filament for free. Still a win. Unless it is creality filament.
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: I am told that it is tradition to print a bunch of parts for the printer itself, and then never print anything else with it ever again. I would hate to heedlessly destroy tradition.
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: I've spent 3 days printing parts for my voron just to change the color Almost 3kg worth: Attached File Attached File Seemed wrong to have two orange ones. And black is boring. |