Canada flips us off... totally rejects new Trade Deal (Page 20 of 20)
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn't play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. If that's the case, Canada is screwed. |
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: I think a lot of this spark is the back biting that Trudeau and now Carney has done on US policy. Add in the gall to run ads to influence US elections. The twisting and abuse of the Reagan statements in the ads was known to be a false impression. That’s not the actions of allies. I am still pissed that Trump I believe accidentally got Carney elected. That was dumb. Pollivierre had a great shot until it became a Canada against Trump thing. Damn, Canada get your own villains! Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... I think a lot of this spark is the back biting that Trudeau and now Carney has done on US policy. Add in the gall to run ads to influence US elections. The twisting and abuse of the Reagan statements in the ads was known to be a false impression. That’s not the actions of allies. I am still pissed that Trump I believe accidentally got Carney elected. That was dumb. Pollivierre had a great shot until it became a Canada against Trump thing. Damn, Canada get your own villains! It as no accident, he knew exactly what he was doing. The only question remaining is why he saved the Liberals. |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: I think he is referring to Bombardier the Aviation company. The rec products were spun off in 2003 to form BRP still a Canadian company so who knows. Apparently it's Polaris for everyone so now is a good time to open a repair center for that junk. Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Originally Posted By Dissident: So no more Can Am, Sea-Doo, or Ski-Doo? This might be too much for MAGA. I think he is referring to Bombardier the Aviation company. The rec products were spun off in 2003 to form BRP still a Canadian company so who knows. Apparently it's Polaris for everyone so now is a good time to open a repair center for that junk. So, based upon some of the news reporting that the new round of tariffs will affect "motor bikes", I presume the action against Bombardier isn't just dealing with the aircraft.... unless there are other motor sport manufacturers in Canada. |
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There it is..The EU is going strip mine Canada's wealth to keep it afloat. This is why Carney was brought it.. Attached File https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2026/09/13/canada-discussing-joining-eu-as-associate-member-report-says/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=se-breaking |
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Buh bye NATO. Trump won't take that well. Recently I've started watching some canadia based pods/videos. They did the math on this, the EU can realistically replace about 1/4 of the trade Canada does with the US. An EU ambassador when confronted by a canadian journo (who are essentially state media) about Trumps deals being "written in pencil" took great pains to not agree. The EU got it's deal signed and they want no part of upsetting the apple cart at this point. We'll see but the EU is so ate up with bureaucracy that it could take years even if they find a pair and agree to it. |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: If that includes visa free travel than it might make our illegal migration problems worse in the future. Life's hard. It's harder if you're stupid. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: If Trump tells them not to do it, they'll piss and moan about sovereignty but getting your cross border trade with the US stopped wholesale is national suicide for Canada, just like it is for Mexico. Gloria is making deal because they all watching carney about to get made an example of. Unfortunately carney has tapped into Canadian pride and nationalism, so they are cheering him on. Life's hard. It's harder if you're stupid. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Brok3n: If that includes visa free travel than it might make our illegal migration problems worse in the future. Life's hard. It's harder if you're stupid. |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: I don't disagree but we've seen leftists around the world cut off their nose to spite their face. I can't figure out what is motivating Carney and the bullfrog running Ontario. If it's just pride....holy shit. The EU is multiple times the size of canadia. Objectively it makes no sense at all. Canada is a Polish hostage. Do what I say or I'll shoot myself..... Trump: Front sight squeeze! |
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Originally Posted By Snozberry: Arfcom: lol trump 20d Chess  Also arfcom: WTF Trump 20d Chess!  Originally Posted By Snozberry: Originally Posted By Tiberius: It as no accident, he knew exactly what he was doing. The only question remaining is why he saved the Liberals. Arfcom: lol trump 20d Chess Also arfcom: WTF Trump 20d Chess! He claims he saved the Liberals because they would be “easier” to get a “deal” out of. Considering the Liberals (and the Euros) are using him as a campaign issue to get an unbreakable hold on power….I don’t believe he’s revealing his true motive. Personally, I think he’s salting the earth for Vance in ‘28, amongst other things. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Buh bye NATO. Trump won't take that well. Recently I've started watching some canadia based pods/videos. They did the math on this, the EU can realistically replace about 1/4 of the trade Canada does with the US. An EU ambassador when confronted by a canadian journo (who are essentially state media) about Trumps deals being "written in pencil" took great pains to not agree. The EU got it's deal signed and they want no part of upsetting the apple cart at this point. We'll see but the EU is so ate up with bureaucracy that it could take years even if they find a pair and agree to it. There are 3-4 that I've been watching for a few months now, they're all very pragmatic and reality based.. the same programs I'm sure... Europe and Canada are both crippled with the same bad ideas, a closer marriage does nothing to improve Canada's situation other than its a familiar shelter to run to for Carney personally I guess. As you've pointed out the American market is the prize, and it cannot be matched or replicated anywhere in this universe so time to grow up eh? |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: He claims he saved the Liberals because they would be "easier" to get a "deal" out of. Considering the Liberals (and the Euros) are using him as a campaign issue to get an unbreakable hold on power .I don't believe he's revealing his true motive. Personally, I think he's salting the earth for Vance in '28, amongst other things. |
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Newfies are ripe for the taking, and have a fine deep water harbor Other than "points" to the grocery and airline, I'm not really sure what they benefited from Confederation all those years ago. The so-called elites of Canada have held working folks in contempt for a very long time and say things with a relish that would get me banned here :| Yes really, the hard-working people that coastal elites shit upon still show up day after day |
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Originally Posted By Deltastone: I love how it always just comes back to milk. Every single time. It's all they've got to justify a trade war. Nevermind we were selling you guys $billions of dairy products duty-free, the fact that there were anti-dumping duties on the books was apparently intolerable. The milk quotas being preferentially granted to dairies willing to process in Canada (so they could control hormone levels) is what supposedly broke the trade agreement. The funny thing is they used the same argument against Switzerland. Like we fly milk into Switzerland. Of course they could afford to just cave because it's a non-issue. This week he's doing the same thing with interest rates, just fundamentally misunderstanding how macroeconomics works. |
| I’m sick of Canada, Mexico, EU, etc. These are simply slime-ball counties and govts. Their entire relationship with us is and has been predicated on them taking advantage of us via trade, immigration, nato, defense, tech, etc. And when called out on it they have temper tantrum. These are not our friends, never have been, so treat them as such. |
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Originally Posted By sanman28: I’m sick of Canada, Mexico, EU, etc. These are simply slime-ball counties and govts. Their entire relationship with us is and has been predicated on them taking advantage of us via trade, immigration, nato, defense, tech, etc. And when called out on it they have temper tantrum. These are not our friends, never have been, so treat them as such. What I've learned over the last few years of Trump bringing up lopsided issues that no politician would ever mention before is that a lot of our friendships are largely bought and paid for and will only go so far as the last paycheck... I suppose not so different than life in general between individuals to an extent. Maybe shouldn't be such a surprise.. |
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Originally Posted By byron2112: What I've learned over the last few years of Trump bringing up lopsided issues that no politician would ever mention before is that a lot of our friendships are largely bought and paid for and will only go so far as the last paycheck... I suppose not so different than life in general between individuals to an extent. Maybe shouldn't be such a surprise.. |
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Originally Posted By Chisum: This is Carney's way of staying in office. Milk the Hate for all you can get. Canada has one trade partner that matters. its thier logistically cheapest trades, 50% of thier population lives within 100 miles of the border with that trade partner. its the most integrated trade relationship on earth. This is the dumbest economic decision I've ever seen. Any situation where there isn't very low friction trade between the US and canada results in the Canadian economy evaporating in months. No practical alternative exists in a meaningful time frame. Canada has zero....0.0 Leverage. This isn't cutting off your nose to spite your face...its cutting off your whole damned head. You'll show them! and we'll have a coke. its bizarre. |
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Originally Posted By FDC: and that fucks a bunch of Americans as companies operate on both sides of the border. Locally to me is Milan Lumber headquarted in NH with mills on both sides. Also Rotobec(huge manufacturer of grapples for logging and other industries). Headquarted in Quebec with a plant in Quebec and two in northern NH. Like it or not, our economies are intertwined. Not necessarily. The armored vehicle manufacturer, Roshel, officially expanded its production into America by opening its first U.S. facility in Shelby Township, Michigan. It also bought the Springfield plant in OH from International Motors, which previously issued WARN notices for 1,341 layoffs ahead of the transition. Americans kept their jobs. The Army wanted to buy armored vehicles from the Canadian company. Carney would't allow it, so they moved to the USA. F@#k Canada. |
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Originally Posted By Chisum: Not necessarily. The armored vehicle manufacturer, Roshel, officially expanded its production into America by opening its first U.S. facility in Shelby Township, Michigan. It also bought the Springfield plant in OH from International Motors, which previously issued WARN notices for 1,341 layoffs ahead of the transition. Americans kept their jobs. The Army wanted to buy armored vehicles from the Canadian company. Carney would't allow it, so they moved to the USA. F@#k Canada. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: nations don't have friends. They have interests. Interests change. It’s in our best interest to have affordable oil, goods and services. I voted for Trump twice…but he isn’t giving any of those items mentioned above. My family is in better shape than a lot of others out there financially, but if this continues it’s a problem for our country. |
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Originally Posted By Action45: It’s in our best interest to have affordable oil, goods and services. I voted for Trump twice…but he isn’t giving any of those items mentioned above. My family is in better shape than a lot of others out there financially, but if this continues it’s a problem for our country. Originally Posted By Action45: Originally Posted By xd341: nations don't have friends. They have interests. Interests change. It’s in our best interest to have affordable oil, goods and services. I voted for Trump twice…but he isn’t giving any of those items mentioned above. My family is in better shape than a lot of others out there financially, but if this continues it’s a problem for our country. The outflow of production was and is a problem. Fixing it isn’t painless. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: completely. but hes shooting himself and canada right in the junk. Canada has one trade partner that matters. its thier logistically cheapest trades, 50% of thier population lives within 100 miles of the border with that trade partner. its the most integrated trade relationship on earth. This is the dumbest economic decision I've ever seen. Any situation where there isn't very low friction trade between the US and canada results in the Canadian economy evaporating in months. No practical alternative exists in a meaningful time frame. Canada has zero....0.0 Leverage. This isn't cutting off your nose to spite your face...its cutting off your whole damned head. You'll show them! and we'll have a coke. its bizarre. I agree, my wife and oldest daughter are Canadians. Horrified is not strong enough of a word to describe the Canadian penchant for Leftist stupidity. It is an incurable addiction. The exchange rate is $1.39 and getting worse. They are burning money and celebrating. Economists point to a decades-long stagnation in private-sector capital spending as Canada’s economic "Achilles' heel". Due to heavy regulatory burdens, high corporate taxes, and ongoing trade anxieties, businesses are choosing not to invest in new machinery, advanced technologies, or facilities. As a result, the investment gap between Canada and the U.S. has widened drastically, leading to a drop in the capital-to-labor ratio. Supply Chain Interdependence will destroy Bombardier. Its current U.S. footprint is huge, noting it relies on roughly 2,800 American suppliers across 47 states (such as GE Aerospace and Honeywell) and that its jets feature at least 40% U.S.-made content. Its stock dropped 6% in one day amid threats from Trump. |
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Originally Posted By Chisum: I agree, my wife and oldest daughter are Canadians. Horrified is not strong enough of a word to describe the Canadian penchant for Leftist stupidity. It is an incurable addiction. The exchange rate is $1.39 and getting worse. They are burning money and celebrating. Economists point to a decades-long stagnation in private-sector capital spending as Canada’s economic "Achilles' heel". Due to heavy regulatory burdens, high corporate taxes, and ongoing trade anxieties, businesses are choosing not to invest in new machinery, advanced technologies, or facilities. As a result, the investment gap between Canada and the U.S. has widened drastically, leading to a drop in the capital-to-labor ratio. Supply Chain Interdependence will destroy Bombardier. Its current U.S. footprint is huge, noting it relies on roughly 2,800 American suppliers across 47 states (such as GE Aerospace and Honeywell) and that its jets feature at least 40% U.S.-made content. Its stock dropped 6% in one day amid threats from Trump. Tier 1 Aerospace companies need all the parts they can get and will suck up any capacity cleared out by a Bombardier slow down. |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: The outflow of production was and is a problem. Fixing it isn't painless. Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By Action45: Originally Posted By xd341: nations don't have friends. They have interests. Interests change. It's in our best interest to have affordable oil, goods and services. I voted for Trump twice but he isn't giving any of those items mentioned above. My family is in better shape than a lot of others out there financially, but if this continues it's a problem for our country. The outflow of production was and is a problem. Fixing it isn't painless. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Canada is cooked. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-09-17_at_13-09-34__10__H-3828776.JPG |
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Originally Posted By Z09SS: With the balance of trade and relative size of the markets, something that's painful for us would be catastrophic for Canada and for some reason they seem Hell bent on forcing it. They? Both sides seem to be forcing it. I hope Canadians that are understandably uppity over the trade dispute can re-focus on the real threat. They are going to wake up in someone else's country with no sovereignty at all. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Carney had this plan for a while. It's starting to come out. The trade dispute was the excuse, which is why he tanked them at the last minute. Canada is being sold off to the EU while parliament is out of session. Makes the speed with which the Eu signed their deal make more sense. I bet this has been in the works for a while. I hope Canadians that are understandably uppity over the trade dispute can re-focus on the real threat. They are going to wake up in someone else's country with no sovereignty at all. They call Trump a fascist, do Canadians have any idea what's happening to them? |
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If there's one thing Carney is good at, it's distraction. I think the EU thing is another of his distractions. Another thing he wants people and the media to focus attention on, but something that will never happen. There is no such thing as an "associate" member of the EU in any of the EU treaty documents. Such a status would have to be defined, agreed upon by all the EU member states, added to the treaties, then the treaties ratified by all the member states. The chances of all that happening at all, much less in the next couple of years, are vanishingly small. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: If there's one thing Carney is good at, it's distraction. I think the EU thing is another of his distractions. Another thing he wants people and the media to focus attention on, but something that will never happen. There is no such thing as an "associate" member of the EU in any of the EU treaty documents. Such a status would have to be defined, agreed upon by all the EU member states, added to the treaties, then the treaties ratified by all the member states. The chances of all that happening at all, much less in the next couple of years, are vanishingly small. Never under estimate the bureaucracys ability to bend the law to fit thier needs. I hear but I bet they find a way to do it if they want it. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Never under estimate the bureaucracys ability to bend the law to fit thier needs. I hear but I bet they find a way to do it if they want it. |
| It was amusing watching the reactions of the Canadians when discussing their annexation. Amusing enough to have no choice but to push for it whenever the opportunity presented itself. Now they have actually pissed me off enough where I do actually think their occupation is necessary. |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: It was amusing watching the reactions of the Canadians when discussing their annexation. Amusing enough to have no choice but to push for it whenever the opportunity presented itself. Now they have actually pissed me off enough where I do actually think their occupation is necessary. Then what happens? We won't need canada any more then than we do now, and we'll be even less inclined with the EU on our border. This doesn't fit the donroe doctrine at all. Things will get interesting...like ancient chinese curse interesting. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Gonna be interesting to watch the EU thing play out. I can't imagine both sides agree to it, I mean Canada has provinces that were already looking at separation, it wasn't a slam dunk but it was a discussion. The western provinces look at the eastern ones the way we look at Europe. Now those provinces might be run by Europe. I don't see it happening, at least not with the current Canada intact. Then what happens? We won't need canada any more then than we do now, and we'll be even less inclined with the EU on our border. This doesn't fit the donroe doctrine at all. Things will get interesting...like ancient chinese curse interesting. once we go after their banks, Canada will cease to exist as a country |
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