Canada flips us off... totally rejects new Trade Deal (Page 2 of 20)
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Originally Posted By FDC: and that fucks a bunch of Americans as companies operate on both sides of the border. Locally to me is Milan Lumber headquarted in NH with mills on both sides. Also Rotobec(huge manufacturer of grapples for logging and other industries). Headquarted in Quebec with a plant in Quebec and two in northern NH. Like it or not, our economies are intertwined. Originally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Herewego: Full trade embargo on all products from Canada. Bring them to their knees, cut their heads off and then feed them to the dogs of war. and that fucks a bunch of Americans as companies operate on both sides of the border. Locally to me is Milan Lumber headquarted in NH with mills on both sides. Also Rotobec(huge manufacturer of grapples for logging and other industries). Headquarted in Quebec with a plant in Quebec and two in northern NH. Like it or not, our economies are intertwined. Intertwined does not mean equal, and there are lot of people up there that need attitude adjustments. |
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Originally Posted By Rebel31: There are a lot of cool Canadians but sadly they're very much a minority. The rest of them are douchebags that have terrible attitudes and refuse to acknowledge they've been damn lucky for a long time to be our northern neighbor. I say cut them off and make it hurt. When you give people plenty of warnings and time to change their behavior but they double and triple down then you need to make it sting and make it something they remember for a long time. And require Canadians to have a Visa to get into the US. Just get it the fuck over with. |
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Originally Posted By trails-end: Who drinks that shit? Originally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: Fuck 'em. I'll never buy Canadian whisky again! Oh wait, I won't buy it now anyways .yuk! Who drinks that shit? |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I used to. I actually like Crown Royal, but I gave up drinking when I got since during covid. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: Fuck 'em. I'll never buy Canadian whisky again! Oh wait, I won't buy it now anyways .yuk! Who drinks that shit? When I was stationed in Germany in the 2000's Crown Royal was THE high dollar drink in the barracks. Get yourself a bag of Crown on Friday after COB and you were set for the night 
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"Preserve tariff- free access to the US. for the vast majority of Canadian business". This works both ways? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. |
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Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Move manufacturing back to the good old USA, problem solved. Problem staying solved. Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. You're in fucking Ohio, you should know that isn't going to happen. They're not going to do that when in a few months time the mid-terms happen. |
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Originally Posted By MattyMattel: You're in fucking Ohio, you should know that isn't going to happen. They're not going to do that when in a few months time the mid-terms happen. It’s not going to happen ever. Companies may have placated Trump just to get on his good side as far as saying they’ll bring manufacturing back but I fucking bet as soon as he’s gone they’ll be right back to offshoring everything. It’s all about profit and shareholder value. They literally don’t give a fuck what you have to pay until they actually go out of business or require a bailout. |
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Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Move manufacturing back to the good old USA, problem solved. Problem staying solved. I work in US manufacturing. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Canada is a significant source of our raw materials and subassemblies, some of which have no US based alternative (trust me, we've looked). They're also a major market to sell into. The existing tariffs have cost us tens of millions of dollars in direct tax, let alone the indirect costs. And there's no sign it will get better. That is jobs, cap-ex, profit sharing and acquisitions on hold while our Asian competitors are unhindered. Our products are made more expensive and the perceved value of 'made in America' is being dilluted. We are steadily loosing market share because of this idiocy. This sucks for US manufacturing. |
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Originally Posted By GenoGS: What I seem to have noticed is that many of these countries seem to want access to US markets, but want to engage in protectionist policies to prevent or limit our access to their markets. This has been true for decades and the US has tolerated it because we want to be the “nice guy.” These countries reasoning is that because the US is so wealthy and powerful, it is okay, we should pay higher tariffs and they should pay lower or none… The latter sounds familiar doesn’t it? Like with Libs and taxes. I don’t agree with Trump slamming down tariffs as hard as he did in the beginning, especially against friendly countries, but a point needed to be made, and he made it. Unfortunately the courts overruled it. |
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Originally Posted By ImpulseTaco: I bet their tune would change with a full on embargo. Canada is going to be sad when all the US car makers that have had plants up there for decades return those manufacturing orders to the US. Detroit and other US places will be hiring I bet! |
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Originally Posted By Marie: On the Canadian dairy tariffs - You guys act like this is so unusual. Pretty much every country has high tariffs to protect its own ag industry. The US has dairy quotas and tariffs on dairy products. https://hts.usitc.gov/reststop/file?release=currentRelease&filename=Chapter%204 Good, milk in a fucking bag should cost more. |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: My guess is you can thank Lutnick for throwing a wrench into the gears at the last moment.... it was being reported up here and the U.S. yesterday that he was yapping that there was a better deal to be had than the framework of the one on the table. I looked at the numbers for 2025 as reported by the US. Trade Representatives Office and on a goods and services basis, Canada had a $20.6 billion dollar surplus on a total of $873 billion in total trade between the 2 nations. LOL snow mexicans. Just like the entire rest of the planet, you need U.S. far more than we need you, period. |
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Originally Posted By Pallas: This has been true for decades and the US has tolerated it because we want to be the “nice guy.” These countries reasoning is that because the US is so wealthy and powerful, it is okay, we should pay higher tariffs and they should pay lower or none… The latter sounds familiar doesn’t it? Like with Libs and taxes. I don’t agree with Trump slamming down tariffs as hard as he did in the beginning, especially against friendly countries, but a point needed to be made, and he made it. Unfortunately the courts overruled it. We didn't tolerate it because we wanted to be nice guys. We tolerated it because it was in our financial interest. It still is. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. Oh no...not an already overpriced truck being more expensive Anyone buying a brand new truck right now is an idiot for what they cost and their quality |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. Sounds like Ford and Chevy need to move their manufacturing back to the US to employ US workers, not Canadian. |
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Originally Posted By Airborne11B: It's not going to happen ever. Companies may have placated Trump just to get on his good side as far as saying they'll bring manufacturing back but I fucking bet as soon as he's gone they'll be right back to offshoring everything. It's all about profit and shareholder value. They literally don't give a fuck what you have to pay until they actually go out of business or require a bailout. |
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Originally Posted By Marie: They don't care. You're Canadian, so you're automatically scum. You've been cheating the US, etc, etc. Protecting one's own ag industry is very normal. The US does it (quotas even). They don't care that US companies will pay more, which will drive costs up. They just care that Canada is getting hurt. Originally Posted By Marie: Originally Posted By JTF2: My guess is you can thank Lutnick for throwing a wrench into the gears at the last moment.... it was being reported up here and the U.S. yesterday that he was yapping that there was a better deal to be had than the framework of the one on the table. I looked at the numbers for 2025 as reported by the US. Trade Representatives Office and on a goods and services basis, Canada had a $20.6 billion dollar surplus on a total of $873 billion in total trade between the 2 nations. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada I've pointed in out before, 41 million Canadians annually buy more American goods and services than the combined 1.6 billion populations of China and Japan. But for the fact that the USA buys over $200 billion in energy and resources from Canada (heavy crude, natural gas, potash, uranium, nickel, electricity, America would be enjoying a large annual surplus. We'll definitely feel it more in Canada but if this escalates further, there's going to additional pain on the American side... starting with it's going to negatively impact the Senate races in Michigan and Maine for the Republicans. 50% of everything Maine exports goes to Canada for starters... Maine also gets 95% of it's winter heating oil from Canada. 36% of total goods exported by Michigan go to Canada. Escalation will also increase inflationary effects up here and in the USA.... but no mid-term elections equivalent up here in November though. We'll see where aluminum goes as well.. but a 50% tariff on Cdn aluminum is moronic... while volumes are down, the USA is still buying a lot with the buyer paying the tariff and passing the additional costs on. Monthly, Canadian aluminum sales to Europe have been setting new records as well..... Why the U.S. Needs Canadian Aluminum (taken from Dec. 2025 U.S. Chamber of Commerce report) Supply Deficit: The U.S. produces a fraction of the primary aluminum it consumes annually, making foreign supply vital. Energy Constraints: Smelting aluminum requires massive amounts of continuous electricity. U.S. grid power is increasingly expensive and heavily contested by high-demand data centers. Hydroelectric Advantage: Canada—primarily Quebec—uses abundant, low-cost hydroelectric power to produce millions of tonnes of low-carbon aluminum. Economic Integration: Replacing Canadian imports with purely domestic manufacturing would require decades of infrastructure building and massive new power generation. https://www.uschamber.com/international/the-special-case-of-canadian-aluminum They don't care. You're Canadian, so you're automatically scum. You've been cheating the US, etc, etc. Protecting one's own ag industry is very normal. The US does it (quotas even). They don't care that US companies will pay more, which will drive costs up. They just care that Canada is getting hurt. My gut feeling is the Trump administration has recognized that Canada since Trudeau and now Carney have been deliberately undermining US foreign policy since way back. Siding with communist nations, socialists and other nations that have been hostile to the U.S. Trudeau never met a commie socialist that he didn’t prefer. Then let’s look at Canadian government/Ontario buying ads that lied and directly meddled in our elections. Of course they weren’t the only meddlers but that is not the activity of a friendly neighbor. The trade lopsidedness was certainly true but look at Canada….it was a lower population which was squarely just over the border not evenly spread in Canada. It grew that way as a direct result of US trade. Symbiotic relationship, parasitic relationship? That’s for each person to decide. The venom of some Canadians in the last year basically exposed the resentment for the US. It’s unflattering. Maybe we are ugly Americans but that venom and the elbows up crap simply exposed a segment’s true feelings. It’s damaging to the relationship, probably permantly. |
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Originally Posted By Ligore: Importing aluminum and wood from Canada. Ever realize how ridiculous that is? America used to be a aluminum producing powerhouse till the enviromentalist insanity. If we get in a war with China do not be surprised if the Canadians decide no more aluminum. Canada has a bad problem with housing prices making life to expensive and their gov playing the game that everything to expensive because of America. America has nothing to do with the housing prices being out of control and their high taxes. Canada produces more aluminum because they have absurdly cheap electricity in Quebec. They don't even mine the ore, they import it from the US and Brazil. The US produces a third of the aluminum Canada does not because of environmental regulations, but because it is way, way cheaper to ship the rare ore to Canada, smelt it and ship the metal back. The reasons for that come down to a weird quirk of geography- quebec just has a fuck ton of damable rivers, and not a lot of population to consume all that excess electricity. Electricity is far and away the dominant cost of aluminum production, and the electricity is more expensive in the US and always will be. The two other big producers of aluminum, China and Russia, do it because they established big state owned smelters with organic generating capacity and local ore mining. The US just isn't going to compete with that. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. Originally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By dbrad197: Canada. The socialist country completely in bed with China and full of raging faggots. The people who ruined the lives of Covid protesters and froze their bank accounts for sitting in trucks. The same people who would rather kill people via MAID then try to help them. The same people who have basically replaced their native population with 3rd worlders. I’m devastated. Any of you acting like Canada really matters or is the same country that it was in the 20th century are insane or have TDS so badly that you can’t see the MASSIVE problem that started developing on our northern border years before Trump came into office. Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. Let the bloated 80k f150s/silverados rot on dealer lots. |
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Originally Posted By Local: We didn't tolerate it because we wanted to be nice guys. We tolerated it because it was in our financial interest. It still is. The US's financial interests is to pay more in tariff's for our exported goods, but allow those nations to import their's without tariffs? How is that in our financial interests? Plus, our manufacturing going over to said countries? |
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Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Well yes it is about profit and shareholder value. That's the whole point of the tariffs, making it a financially sound move to bring back manufacturing here. Nobody and I mean nobody can say that bringing manufacturing back home is a bad thing or isnt worth pursuing. There are members who've posted in this thread that have made that argument that it is |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: My guess is you can thank Lutnick for throwing a wrench into the gears at the last moment.... it was being reported up here and the U.S. yesterday that he was yapping that there was a better deal to be had than the framework of the one on the table. I looked at the numbers for 2025 as reported by the US. Trade Representatives Office and on a goods and services basis, Canada had a $20.6 billion dollar surplus on a total of $873 billion in total trade between the 2 nations. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada I've pointed in out before, 41 million Canadians annually buy more American goods and services than the combined 1.6 billion populations of China and Japan. But for the fact that the USA buys over $200 billion in energy and resources from Canada (heavy crude, natural gas, potash, uranium, nickel, electricity, America would be enjoying a large annual surplus. We'll definitely feel it more in Canada but if this escalates further, there's going to additional pain on the American side... starting with it's going to negatively impact the Senate races in Michigan and Maine for the Republicans. 50% of everything Maine exports goes to Canada for starters... Maine also gets 95% of it's winter heating oil from Canada. 36% of total goods exported by Michigan go to Canada. Escalation will also increase inflationary effects up here and in the USA.... but no mid-term elections equivalent up here in November though. We'll see where aluminum goes as well.. but a 50% tariff on Cdn aluminum is moronic... while volumes are down, the USA is still buying a lot with the buyer paying the tariff and passing the additional costs on. Monthly, Canadian aluminum sales to Europe have been setting new records as well..... Why the U.S. Needs Canadian Aluminum (taken from Dec. 2025 U.S. Chamber of Commerce report) Supply Deficit: The U.S. produces a fraction of the primary aluminum it consumes annually, making foreign supply vital. Energy Constraints: Smelting aluminum requires massive amounts of continuous electricity. U.S. grid power is increasingly expensive and heavily contested by high-demand data centers. Hydroelectric Advantage: Canada primarily Quebec uses abundant, low-cost hydroelectric power to produce millions of tonnes of low-carbon aluminum. Economic Integration: Replacing Canadian imports with purely domestic manufacturing would require decades of infrastructure building and massive new power generation. https://www.uschamber.com/international/the-special-case-of-canadian-aluminum |
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Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Well yes it is about profit and shareholder value. That's the whole point of the tariffs, making it a financially sound move to bring back manufacturing here. Nobody and I mean nobody can say that bringing manufacturing back home is a bad thing or isnt worth pursuing. Except the CEOs and MBA bean counters that don’t care about anything but pure profit which means made in America is going to cut into that profit, hence their reluctance to do it. You’re also going to have to convince people ‘made in America’ means anything nowadays because stuff made here at the general consumer level seems to suck just as much as shit made abroad. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: And kick them out of NORAD, fuckem. And require Canadians to have a Visa to get into the US. Just get it the fuck over with. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Rebel31: There are a lot of cool Canadians but sadly they're very much a minority. The rest of them are douchebags that have terrible attitudes and refuse to acknowledge they've been damn lucky for a long time to be our northern neighbor. I say cut them off and make it hurt. When you give people plenty of warnings and time to change their behavior but they double and triple down then you need to make it sting and make it something they remember for a long time. And require Canadians to have a Visa to get into the US. Just get it the fuck over with. Seeing as they had been accepting every third worlder out there there is and was a huge contingent of those that were landing in Canada solely to slip in the US. That was part of the spark that started all this. We couldn’t afford to keep getting the canadian foreign gimmigrant invasion. Passports and visas only? I could live with that. The Canadian traveller is mostly boycotting the US out of spite or cannot afford it anymore. |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: It sounds like the gay flappy heads didn't honor their word. My bet is one or two of the province heads flat out refused Carney’s deal. My bet is Quebec to protect their dairy monopoly but that asshole Ford in Ontario may have dug his heels in on the stupid American alcohol ban to torpedo it. Carney really wouldn’t do shit if he got threatened by the provinces’ guaranteeing his ouster in a short time. |
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Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Well yes it is about profit and shareholder value. That's the whole point of the tariffs, making it a financially sound move to bring back manufacturing here. Nobody and I mean nobody can say that bringing manufacturing back home is a bad thing or isnt worth pursuing. Originally Posted By clutchsmoke: Originally Posted By Airborne11B: It's not going to happen ever. Companies may have placated Trump just to get on his good side as far as saying they'll bring manufacturing back but I fucking bet as soon as he's gone they'll be right back to offshoring everything. It's all about profit and shareholder value. They literally don't give a fuck what you have to pay until they actually go out of business or require a bailout. Exactly what I believe the Trump position is. Push the manufacturing back here UNLESS we get a deal that is sufficiently beneficial to leave it alone. I really do think Washington is doing this in retaliation to the Trudeau era and now Carney’s undermining US world diplomacy. Trudeau was talking shit and so is Carney. That takes you out of favored friend status. |
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Originally Posted By Promking: Let the bloated 80k f150s/silverados rot on dealer lots. Originally Posted By Promking: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By dbrad197: Canada. The socialist country completely in bed with China and full of raging faggots. The people who ruined the lives of Covid protesters and froze their bank accounts for sitting in trucks. The same people who would rather kill people via MAID then try to help them. The same people who have basically replaced their native population with 3rd worlders. I’m devastated. Any of you acting like Canada really matters or is the same country that it was in the 20th century are insane or have TDS so badly that you can’t see the MASSIVE problem that started developing on our northern border years before Trump came into office. Canada matters In another month or two you'll start wondering why Chevy or Ford trucks cost another $4-5k higher in sticker price considering 15-30% or more of the car and truck parts are... made in... Canada But yeah.. Canada is a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Enjoy those higher prices. We are really sticking it to the man here. Total TDS on display. Let the bloated 80k f150s/silverados rot on dealer lots. Yeah those impending layoffs will be so good for the mid-terms. |
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Originally Posted By GenoGS: What I seem to have noticed is that many of these countries seem to want access to US markets, but want to engage in protectionist policies to prevent or limit our access to their markets. Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By ImpulseTaco: I bet their tune would change with a full on embargo. What I seem to have noticed is that many of these countries seem to want access to US markets, but want to engage in protectionist policies to prevent or limit our access to their markets. See, it ok for them to do it........but we aren't supposed to protect ours. They expect the free ride I'd offer them one for one.......no tariffs from either side and see how they like it |
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Originally Posted By GenoGS: What I seem to have noticed is that many of these countries seem to want access to US markets, but want to engage in protectionist policies to prevent or limit our access to their markets. That's because it's best-case scenario for them. And they know every time a Democrat gets elected, they'll get their terms - after a modest contribution to someone's "Foundation," of course. |