Canada flips us off... totally rejects new Trade Deal (Page 19 of 20)
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Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HRoaOv-WMAAr5dY?format=jpg&name=small I am sure the X-Treme sports dealerships are happy to hear this. Now we can be forced to buy Yamaha. |
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Originally Posted By Herewego: Sorry Canadians, you now have to suffer for the people you elected. If it helps, seek comfort knowing that none of us will be suffering with you. Diesel hit 5.70 here in my state. I do not know anyone who has not had their purchasing power diminished by his words. |
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Both of those clowns need to go back to their office, stfu and let real negotiators work out a deal. This school yard bullying is pathetic. |
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Originally Posted By Striker: Both of those clowns need to go back to their office, stfu and let real negotiators work out a deal. This school yard bullying is pathetic. Genuinely curious, who would the real negotiators be in this? There’s a lot of overgrown schoolyard bullies in the highest echelons of government and corporate power structures. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: I wouldn't be so sure the Liberals will be turned out over this. The average Canuck hates America and Americans so bad they can taste it .the Liberals can get away with just about anything so long as they can convince the sheeple it's hurting us. yeah... Canada could embargo the US completely and it'll knock our GDP down by a couple points. It's just not a winnable fight. So when Trump gets mad enough and turns off their economy, what's going to happen to any sitting government? |
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Originally Posted By Striker: Both of those clowns need to go back to their office, stfu and let real negotiators work out a deal. This school yard bullying is pathetic. It's so dumb my brain is looking for another explanation. |
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Originally Posted By Striker: Both of those clowns need to go back to their office, stfu and let real negotiators work out a deal. This school yard bullying is pathetic. Maybe that's the art in the art of the deal. |
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ON A GOODS AND SERVICES BASIS, Canada had a $20.7 billion surplus with USA in 2025 (about 4.80% of total US goods and services exported to Canada by USA). Those numbers are taken directly from the United States Trade Representative ("Executive Office of The President") website which states: "U.S. goods trade (exports plus imports) with Canada totaled an estimated $715.5 billion in 2025. U.S. goods exports to Canada in 2025 were $333.6 billion, down 4.8 percent ($17.0 billion) from 2024. U.S. goods imports from Canada totaled $381.9 billion in 2025, down 7.2 percent ($29.8 billion) from 2024. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $48.3 billion in 2025, a 21 percent decrease ($12.9 billion) over 2024. U.S. services trade (exports plus imports) with Canada totaled an estimated $156.8 billion in 2025. U.S. services exports to Canada in 2025 were $92.3 billion, up 1.9 percent ($1.7 billion) from 2024. U.S. services imports from Canada in 2025 were $64.5 billion, up 4.9 percent ($3.0 billion) from 2024. The U.S. services trade surplus with Canada was $27.7 billion in 2025, a 4.6 percent decrease ($1.3 billion) over 2024." https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada IN OTHER WORDS, the current "trade war" is over a 2025 annual Canadian good and services trade surplus of $20.7 billion... which is equal to about 6.5 days worth of US government interest paid on American national debt. Worth noting that USA buys about $130 billion of energy (oil, natural gas, electricity) from Canada, mostly heavy oil at about a 15% discount to world prices. About 25% of all gas and diesel used in the USA comes from Canadian heavy oil. All American refineries in the American midwest use 100% Western Canadian Select heavy crude... there are zero pipelines running to them from any coast.... cutting that off would send US pump and diesel prices parabolic and likely result in actual fuel shortages in the short to medium timeline. If you take Canadian energy out of the equation, USA enjoys an annual goods and services $109.3 billion surplus. In short, between Cdn energy (oil, natural gas, electricity) and a significant number of other items (potash, nickel, aluminum etc), there's approximately $200 billion worth of stuff that the USA is going to buy from Canada pretty much no matter what. Canadian GDP in 2025 was U.S. $2.32 trillion (81% of Cdn GDP comes from internal Cdn trade) Total exports (goods and services) to USA in 2025 equaled $446.4 billion ($381.9 goods + $64.5 services). Subtract the $200 billion mentioned above and you have $226.4 billion (446.6 - $200 = $226.4). Assume USMCA is killed and tarrff walls on both sides of border and Canada can build/create 50% of the $226.4 = $123.7 billion combined with dropping inter provincial trade barriers and trade to other nations, results in a net $ 123.7 billion GDP loss to Canada. $123.7 billion GDP hit divided by $2.32 trillion Canadian economy = 5.3% hit to Canadian economy total .... extrapolate it even higher lets say to 7% in the short to moderate term. YES that's quite painful but also not catastrophic and imho, if push comes to shove the majority of Canadians are willing to take the hit if that's what it comes to.... most current polling showed 85% support for Carney on trade position v. Trump. Nobody up here wants that but we didn't start this either... |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: ON A GOODS AND SERVICES BASIS, Canada had a $20.7 billion surplus with USA in 2025 (about 4.80% of total US goods and services exported to Canada by USA). Those numbers are taken directly from the United States Trade Representative ("Executive Office of The President") website which states: "U.S. goods trade (exports plus imports) with Canada totaled an estimated $715.5 billion in 2025. U.S. goods exports to Canada in 2025 were $333.6 billion, down 4.8 percent ($17.0 billion) from 2024. U.S. goods imports from Canada totaled $381.9 billion in 2025, down 7.2 percent ($29.8 billion) from 2024. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $48.3 billion in 2025, a 21 percent decrease ($12.9 billion) over 2024. U.S. services trade (exports plus imports) with Canada totaled an estimated $156.8 billion in 2025. U.S. services exports to Canada in 2025 were $92.3 billion, up 1.9 percent ($1.7 billion) from 2024. U.S. services imports from Canada in 2025 were $64.5 billion, up 4.9 percent ($3.0 billion) from 2024. The U.S. services trade surplus with Canada was $27.7 billion in 2025, a 4.6 percent decrease ($1.3 billion) over 2024." https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada IN OTHER WORDS, the current "trade war" is over a 2025 annual Canadian good and services trade surplus of $20.7 billion... which is equal to about 6.5 days worth of US government interest paid on American national debt. Worth noting that USA buys about $130 billion of energy (oil, natural gas, electricity) from Canada, mostly heavy oil at about a 15% discount to world prices. About 25% of all gas and diesel used in the USA comes from Canadian heavy oil. All American refineries in the American midwest use 100% Western Canadian Select heavy crude... there are zero pipelines running to them from any coast.... cutting that off would send US pump and diesel prices parabolic and likely result in actual fuel shortages in the short to medium timeline. If you take Canadian energy out of the equation, USA enjoys an annual goods and services $109.3 billion surplus. In short, between Cdn energy (oil, natural gas, electricity) and a significant number of other items (potash, nickel, aluminum etc), there's approximately $200 billion worth of stuff that the USA is going to buy from Canada pretty much no matter what. Canadian GDP in 2025 was U.S. $2.32 trillion (81% of Cdn GDP comes from internal Cdn trade) Total exports (goods and services) to USA in 2025 equaled $446.4 billion ($381.9 goods + $64.5 services). Subtract the $200 billion mentioned above and you have $226.4 billion (446.6 - $200 = $226.4). Assume USMCA is killed and tarrff walls on both sides of border and Canada can build/create 50% of the $226.4 = $123.7 billion combined with dropping inter provincial trade barriers and trade to other nations, results in a net $ 123.7 billion GDP loss to Canada. $123.7 billion GDP hit divided by $2.32 trillion Canadian economy = 5.3% hit to Canadian economy total .... extrapolate it even higher lets say to 7% in the short to moderate term. YES that's quite painful but also not catastrophic and imho, if push comes to shove the majority of Canadians are willing to take the hit if that's what it comes to.... most current polling showed 85% support for Carney on trade position v. Trump. Nobody up here wants that but we didn't start this either... Worth noting that on a goods and services basis (in 2025), Mexico enjoyed a $183.9 billion trade surplus with USA..... vs. Canada enjoying a goods and services trade surplus of $20.7 billion. This despite the Mexico and Canada being either the #1 or #2 trade partner with USA depending on the year... https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada . |
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Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: I am sure the X-Treme sports dealerships are happy to hear this. Now we can be forced to buy Yamaha. I dunno about "forced" but if yamaha builds it, I am pretty likely to buy it if I am a buyer in that category. See jetski, 4wheeler, motorcycles, etc. Far superior reliability to any BPR product. |
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I dunno about "forced" but if yamaha builds it, I am pretty likely to buy it if I am a buyer in that category. See jetski, 4wheeler, motorcycles, etc. Far superior reliability to any BPR product. Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: I am sure the X-Treme sports dealerships are happy to hear this. Now we can be forced to buy Yamaha. I dunno about "forced" but if yamaha builds it, I am pretty likely to buy it if I am a buyer in that category. See jetski, 4wheeler, motorcycles, etc. Far superior reliability to any BPR product. Does Yamaha have a closed cab UTV with HVAC that can be used on the farm, ranch, on a hunt, on and off the trail, in both the summer or winter? I checked and see that you can get a closed cab add on and a heater kit for some of their recreational models, but didn't see anything about AC. |
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Most recent polling shows almost 70% of Albertans want to stay part of Canada (6.5% undecided, 24.6% for). In short, the referendum will fall way way short of separation. Second big coastal pipeline will be built and completed within next 3-4 years as well imho (Albertans will like that alot). The proposed corridor will largely follow the existing Trans Mountain corridor and will not require any adjustment to the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act. 3rd Pipeline to Arctic Ocean of Hudson Bay per EU market is on the horizon as well. Canada building 6 new Polar ice breakers have the Arctic Northwest passage in clear mind imho (opening up further every year due to global warming). https://www.thewrit.ca/p/alberta-referendum-poll-tracker https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/services/acquisitions/defence-marine/national-shipbuilding-strategy/projects/large-vessels/program-icebreakers.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/hudson-bay-ice-shipping-studies-9.7315714 https://blog.thecooperativelogisticsnetwork.com/2025/12/03/canadas-northern-corridors-building-the-future-of-arctic-trade-routes/ . |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: Does Yamaha have a closed cab UTV with HVAC that can be used on the farm, ranch, on a hunt, on and off the trail, in both the summer or winter? I checked and see that you can get a closed cab add on and a heater kit for some of their recreational models, but didn't see anything about AC. No buy a Kawasaki Ridge for that mission. Yamaha just closed its UTV plant. |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: Most recent polling shows almost 70% of Albertans want to stay part of Canada (6.5% undecided, 24.6% for). In short, the referendum will fall way way short of separation. Second big coastal pipeline will be built and completed within next 3-4 years as well imho (Albertans will like that alot). The proposed corridor will largely follow the existing Trans Mountain corridor and will not require any adjustment to the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act. 3rd Pipeline to Arctic Ocean of Hudson Bay per EU market is on the horizon as well. Canada building 6 new Polar ice breakers have the Arctic Northwest passage in clear mind imho (opening up further every year due to global warming). https://www.thewrit.ca/p/alberta-referendum-poll-tracker https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/services/acquisitions/defence-marine/national-shipbuilding-strategy/projects/large-vessels/program-icebreakers.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/hudson-bay-ice-shipping-studies-9.7315714 https://blog.thecooperativelogisticsnetwork.com/2025/12/03/canadas-northern-corridors-building-the-future-of-arctic-trade-routes/ . then let the Albertans suffer too |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: Most recent polling shows almost 70% of Albertans want to stay part of Canada (6.5% undecided, 24.6% for). In short, the referendum will fall way way short of separation. Second big coastal pipeline will be built and completed within next 3-4 years as well imho (Albertans will like that alot). The proposed corridor will largely follow the existing Trans Mountain corridor and will not require any adjustment to the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act. 3rd Pipeline to Arctic Ocean of Hudson Bay per EU market is on the horizon as well. Canada building 6 new Polar ice breakers have the Arctic Northwest passage in clear mind imho (opening up further every year due to global warming). https://www.thewrit.ca/p/alberta-referendum-poll-tracker https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/services/acquisitions/defence-marine/national-shipbuilding-strategy/projects/large-vessels/program-icebreakers.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/hudson-bay-ice-shipping-studies-9.7315714 https://blog.thecooperativelogisticsnetwork.com/2025/12/03/canadas-northern-corridors-building-the-future-of-arctic-trade-routes/ . |
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Originally Posted By xd341: I didn't look through all your links so apologies if this is a dumb question, but is there any polling about approving a new pipeline. I thought there was a federal moratorium on building new ones? The Building Canada Act is a federal Canadian law Carney's government passed in June 2025 that creates an accelerated approval process for major infrastructure and resource projects across the country. The purpose of the Building Canada Act is to enhance Canada's prosperity, national security, economic security, national defence and national autonomy, by ensuring that projects of national interest get built faster. Prime Minister Mark Carney's government is advancing major legislative and regulatory overhauls to fast-track resource infrastructure, including a proposed West Coast oil pipeline. The 2nd pipeline is on the government's Major Projects list per the above. Carney is pro-pipeline. In point of fact, his former company where he was Chair of the Board (Brookfield) actually bought one of the bigger Cdn pipeline companies in 2021 (Inter Pipeline Ltd). Brookfield is very very focused on infrastructure investing and has a long successful history in that area..... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/08/29/prime-minister-carney-launches-new-major-projects-office-fast-track-nation-building-projects https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://interpipeline.com/news-releases/brookfield-infrastructure-closes-strategic-acquisition-of-inter-pipeline/ On the natural gas front, in late July of this year, a big 20 year natural gas contract was signed as part of a very noticeable development with Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-uniper-firms-up-20-year-lng-purchase-deal-with-canada-2026-07-29/ . |
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Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: It is a shame so many of you forgot what a great ally Canada was to us after 9/11. 158 Canadians KIA in Afghanistan.... https://www.instagram.com/p/Czgk7-xgDAj/ |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: The Building Canada Act is a federal Canadian law Carney's government passed in June 2025 that creates an accelerated approval process for major infrastructure and resource projects across the country. The purpose of the Building Canada Act is to enhance Canada's prosperity, national security, economic security, national defence and national autonomy, by ensuring that projects of national interest get built faster. Prime Minister Mark Carney's government is advancing major legislative and regulatory overhauls to fast-track resource infrastructure, including a proposed West Coast oil pipeline. The 2nd pipeline is on the government's Major Projects list per the above. Carney is pro-pipeline. In point of fact, his former company where he was Chair of the Board (Brookfield) actually bought one of the bigger Cdn pipeline companies in 2021 (Inter Pipeline Ltd). Brookfield is very very focused on infrastructure investing and has a long successful history in that area..... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/08/29/prime-minister-carney-launches-new-major-projects-office-fast-track-nation-building-projects https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://interpipeline.com/news-releases/brookfield-infrastructure-closes-strategic-acquisition-of-inter-pipeline/ On the natural gas front, in late July of this year, a big 20 year natural gas contract was signed as part of a very noticeable development with Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-uniper-firms-up-20-year-lng-purchase-deal-with-canada-2026-07-29/ . |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: I give this two more months before the pro Canadian nationalist types start to feel the pain in their wallets. Well, there was a deal on the table that was agreed to in principle until Carney and Ford threw a tantrum..........I suspect there will be negotiations behind the scenes before the end of the year and an agreement in place.......but not if Canada wants the terms favoring them |
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Originally Posted By xd341: SO am I making that up or was that a thing before and now it isn't? Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By JTF2: The Building Canada Act is a federal Canadian law Carney's government passed in June 2025 that creates an accelerated approval process for major infrastructure and resource projects across the country. The purpose of the Building Canada Act is to enhance Canada's prosperity, national security, economic security, national defence and national autonomy, by ensuring that projects of national interest get built faster. Prime Minister Mark Carney's government is advancing major legislative and regulatory overhauls to fast-track resource infrastructure, including a proposed West Coast oil pipeline. The 2nd pipeline is on the government's Major Projects list per the above. Carney is pro-pipeline. In point of fact, his former company where he was Chair of the Board (Brookfield) actually bought one of the bigger Cdn pipeline companies in 2021 (Inter Pipeline Ltd). Brookfield is very very focused on infrastructure investing and has a long successful history in that area..... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/08/29/prime-minister-carney-launches-new-major-projects-office-fast-track-nation-building-projects https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://interpipeline.com/news-releases/brookfield-infrastructure-closes-strategic-acquisition-of-inter-pipeline/ On the natural gas front, in late July of this year, a big 20 year natural gas contract was signed as part of a very noticeable development with Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-uniper-firms-up-20-year-lng-purchase-deal-with-canada-2026-07-29/ . Per the past you were significantly correct.... The Trudeau led Liberals were at very best sort of neutral on pipeline(s).... but in fairness, it was also the Trudeau led Liberals who purchased the partially built Trans Mountain pipeline from Kinder Morgan in 2018 and then ensured that it was built to completion in 2024 ... The Trans Mountain Pipeline is owned by the Canadian federal government. At some point in the future, I'm sure it will be sold though. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/trudeau-government-nationalizes-trans-mountain-pipeline-project-further-proof-canada . |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: The Building Canada Act is a federal Canadian law Carney's government passed in June 2025 that creates an accelerated approval process for major infrastructure and resource projects across the country. The purpose of the Building Canada Act is to enhance Canada's prosperity, national security, economic security, national defence and national autonomy, by ensuring that projects of national interest get built faster. Prime Minister Mark Carney's government is advancing major legislative and regulatory overhauls to fast-track resource infrastructure, including a proposed West Coast oil pipeline. The 2nd pipeline is on the government's Major Projects list per the above. Carney is pro-pipeline. In point of fact, his former company where he was Chair of the Board (Brookfield) actually bought one of the bigger Cdn pipeline companies in 2021 (Inter Pipeline Ltd). Brookfield is very very focused on infrastructure investing and has a long successful history in that area..... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/08/29/prime-minister-carney-launches-new-major-projects-office-fast-track-nation-building-projects https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://interpipeline.com/news-releases/brookfield-infrastructure-closes-strategic-acquisition-of-inter-pipeline/ On the natural gas front, in late July of this year, a big 20 year natural gas contract was signed as part of a very noticeable development with Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-uniper-firms-up-20-year-lng-purchase-deal-with-canada-2026-07-29/ . Originally Posted By JTF2: Originally Posted By xd341: I didn't look through all your links so apologies if this is a dumb question, but is there any polling about approving a new pipeline. I thought there was a federal moratorium on building new ones? The Building Canada Act is a federal Canadian law Carney's government passed in June 2025 that creates an accelerated approval process for major infrastructure and resource projects across the country. The purpose of the Building Canada Act is to enhance Canada's prosperity, national security, economic security, national defence and national autonomy, by ensuring that projects of national interest get built faster. Prime Minister Mark Carney's government is advancing major legislative and regulatory overhauls to fast-track resource infrastructure, including a proposed West Coast oil pipeline. The 2nd pipeline is on the government's Major Projects list per the above. Carney is pro-pipeline. In point of fact, his former company where he was Chair of the Board (Brookfield) actually bought one of the bigger Cdn pipeline companies in 2021 (Inter Pipeline Ltd). Brookfield is very very focused on infrastructure investing and has a long successful history in that area..... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/08/29/prime-minister-carney-launches-new-major-projects-office-fast-track-nation-building-projects https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/07/02/canada-and-alberta-advance-west-coast-pipeline-project-proposal-and https://interpipeline.com/news-releases/brookfield-infrastructure-closes-strategic-acquisition-of-inter-pipeline/ On the natural gas front, in late July of this year, a big 20 year natural gas contract was signed as part of a very noticeable development with Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-uniper-firms-up-20-year-lng-purchase-deal-with-canada-2026-07-29/ . Nice summary of the Building Canada Act and the July 2026 announcement, but the reality on the ground is a lot less rosy than the press releases. "Accelerated process" still isn't fast. The Act lets Cabinet designate a project of national interest and bundle federal approvals. That is real. It does not eliminate provincial permits, Indigenous consultation/consent processes, court challenges, or financing hurdles. Trans Mountain Expansion still took over a decade and blew past $30+ billion even after the federal government nationalized it. Construction start "as early as September 2027" is the optimistic talking point; actual first oil is years after that under the best case. A trade war bites in months, not 2029 2031. The tanker moratorium is still in force and the route is constrained. Carney explicitly said the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act (north coast BC) stays. The proposed line follows the existing Trans Mountain corridor to the southern BC coast (Roberts Bank / Tsawwassen area). That avoids the formal ban, but it still faces dense population, existing port constraints, strong local and Indigenous opposition in the Lower Mainland, and the usual BC politics. "Respecting the moratorium" is not the same as having a clear, high-volume export path. Carney's conversion is recent and political. Yes, Brookfield bought Inter Pipeline in 2021 while he was chair. That does not magically make him a pipeline hawk. His public career was built around climate finance, net-zero, and the previous Liberal government's regulatory framework that made large hydrocarbon projects extremely difficult. The sudden pivot to "energy superpower" and fast-tracking oil infrastructure is a response to Trump tariffs and Alberta pressure, not a long-held belief. Governments change priorities; they also reverse them when the political winds shift. Financing and ownership are still fuzzy. Federal + Alberta as equal partners + "meaningful" Indigenous equity + Pembina involvement sounds good on paper. No firm private capital stack or cost estimate has been locked in yet. Previous Canadian mega-projects have a habit of becoming taxpayer black holes once construction starts and opposition intensifies. None of this changes the near-term leverage picture. Even if the second West Coast line is eventually built, Canada's energy exports (and a huge chunk of non-energy trade) remain heavily oriented toward the U.S. market for the next several years. A serious escalation in tariffs or border friction hits long before any new pipe is moving barrels to Asia. Claiming "we can take a 5 7% GDP hit and still win" while betting on projects that won't deliver for half a decade is optimistic at best. The Act and the announcement are real political moves. They are not a completed pipeline, a solved export problem, or proof that Canada has suddenly regained negotiating leverage. Timelines, opposition, capital, and the existing U.S. dependency still matter more than the talking points. |
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Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: It is a shame so many of you forgot what a great ally Canada was to us after 9/11. Chrétien had some issues with Bush, but it was not the all out hate brought in by the likes of Harper and Trudeau. Relations were much different 25 years ago. |
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Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: It is a shame so many of you forgot what a great ally Canada was to us after 9/11. I certainly respect the fight they took to the Talis in Panjwai and appreciate them bringing Tim Horton's to KAF |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: I have no clue, just asked AI for a response and got this: SHRUG, in my experiences with AI, I've found that it's a mistake to rely on it as it quite often is in error. For example it will take "data" from a post(postings) on reddit and repeat it as if it were fact. What to watch for is shovels in the ground and money being spent ... once the first couple of billion have been spent on a 2nd pipeline, you can pretty much guarantee that it will be built to completion... worth noting that the federal party Progressive Conservatives will be the next government in Canada if the Carney Liberals fall... The federal Progressive Conservatives as a Western Canada anchored political party are most definitely hugely pro pipeline. I watch what is being announced by the Carney government up here closely. A huge part of their additional spending is infrastructure geared in scope... ports, pipelines, ice breakers, hydro electricty, etc. Per Eastern Canada, Carny is pushing through as much as an additional 14,000 MW of new electric power which is very hydro electric based.... cheap hydro electric energy is already why Canada is in the lowest 25% cost quartile for making aluminum..... (worth noting that 40% of the CDN aluminum industry is owned by Alcoa headquartered in Pittsburgh). https://energi.media/news/carney-70-billion-clean-energy-eastern-canada/ https://www.uschamber.com/international/the-special-case-of-canadian-aluminum . |
Carney's a globohomo, green new dealer... he doesn't give a fuck about exploiting and developing Canada's resources to make a kickass economy for the average Canadian... you think this guy has a secret plan to get all the shit done the liberals blew off the last 20 years?... starting riiight now, okay starting tomorrow.. ![]() You guys need to grow up, this asshole will say all the shit he thinks he has to say to keep you passified... we know it well here, our commie politicians will say whatever they must to get elected, then lie through there face while they're fucking us over. |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: To be fair, this thread is about tariffs and trade policy not 9/11. I certainly respect the fight they took to the Talis in Panjwai and appreciate them bringing Tim Horton's to KAF Thanks, appreciated! LOL but have to be honest, McDonald's coffee is way better than Tim Horton's up here imho (at least in Canada and it's a fact that McDonald's uses a higher quality bean up here). |
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Originally Posted By byron2112: Carney's a globohomo, green new dealer... he doesn't give a fuck about exploiting and developing Canada's resources to make a kickass economy for the average Canadian... you think this guy has a secret plan to get all the shit done the liberals blew off the last 20 years?... starting riiight now, okay starting tomorrow.. ![]() You guys need to grow up, this asshole will say all the shit he thinks he has to say to keep you passified... we know it well here, our commie politicians will say whatever they must to get elected, then lie through there face while they're fucking us over. SHRUG, watch the money... if it gets spent, once substantially started, projects will be seen through to completion imho... doesn't matter who's running the federal government. From what I can see what has been announced is usually on it's face, a good infrastructure project..... but until the money starts to be spent substantially, it just paper talk.... There are only 41 million Canadians living in the 2nd largest country on the planet... if we really start to open up the natural riches of Canada, there's a crap ton of money to go around from bottom to top. But yes in general, I do loosely agree with you... politicians on a world wide basis are not to be trusted at full value at any time...... |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: Thanks, appreciated! LOL but have to be honest, McDonald's coffee is way better than Tim Horton's up here imho (at least in Canada and it's a fact that McDonald's uses a higher quality bean up here). Originally Posted By JTF2: Originally Posted By Brok3n: To be fair, this thread is about tariffs and trade policy not 9/11. I certainly respect the fight they took to the Talis in Panjwai and appreciate them bringing Tim Horton's to KAF Thanks, appreciated! LOL but have to be honest, McDonald's coffee is way better than Tim Horton's up here imho (at least in Canada and it's a fact that McDonald's uses a higher quality bean up here).
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: Can't say I've tried the hot coffee but the iced stuff is excellent along with the apple fritter and maple donuts. I was sad when they left in 2011 and we had to go back to Green Bean ![]() My bad, should have also said thanks for your service per above... applies to ALL Canadian, American, Nato, Australian, New Zealand and all other vets who served there. Green Bean... meh... LOL, how come Dunkin didn't come ? |
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Originally Posted By JTF2: My bad, should have also said thanks for your service per above... applies to ALL Canadian, American, Nato, Australian, New Zealand and all other vets who served there. Green Bean... meh... LOL, how come Dunkin didn't come ? Originally Posted By JTF2: Originally Posted By Brok3n: Can't say I've tried the hot coffee but the iced stuff is excellent along with the apple fritter and maple donuts. I was sad when they left in 2011 and we had to go back to Green Bean ![]() My bad, should have also said thanks for your service per above... applies to ALL Canadian, American, Nato, Australian, New Zealand and all other vets who served there. Green Bean... meh... LOL, how come Dunkin didn't come ? ![]() |
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I was just reading that there will be a ban on Canadian alcohol products starting Sept 29th? If so I might need to stock up on Crown Royal and Fireball. ![]() https://www.cbc.ca/news/livestory/canada-u-s-retaliatory-tariffs-dollar-for-dollar-9.7331632 |
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There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... |
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Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM: I was just reading that there will be a ban on Canadian alcohol products starting Sept 29th? If so I might need to stock up on Crown Royal and Fireball. ![]() https://www.cbc.ca/news/livestory/canada-u-s-retaliatory-tariffs-dollar-for-dollar-9.7331632 |
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Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... Canadian liberals appear to be an extension of the US democrat party, I mean a democrat operative is now the "COO" of carney's office. A position that didn't exist until a couple weeks ago. So regardless of the details of any deal, it appears Carney has motivations unrelated to the well being of the Canadian people. Trump is well aware that Carney is a puppet of the pro globalism, progressive interests in europe. The donroe doctrine being what it is, it's likely his intent to cause carney as much pain as possible. And frankly, Iran has a better negotiating position than Canada, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants within the law. if carney disappeared and a conservative government took over he wouldn't even hold their feet to the fire all that much. Conservatives could get a much better deal than a liberal. Pierre is smart enough to know that a little ass kissing goes a long way. Pretty much everybody knows this, even carney. The lack of ass kissing for the greater good of his people is telling. I don't think Trump is all that concerned about the mid terms. It's a foregone conclusion for him and he'll go from campaign mode into lawfare mode in about 2 minutes. He has a pile of money and can afford the fight. it won't change his trade policy one bit. That's not a congressional power. |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: Well, there was a deal on the table that was agreed to in principle until Carney and Ford threw a tantrum..........I suspect there will be negotiations behind the scenes before the end of the year and an agreement in place.......but not if Canada wants the terms favoring them Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By Brok3n: I give this two more months before the pro Canadian nationalist types start to feel the pain in their wallets. Well, there was a deal on the table that was agreed to in principle until Carney and Ford threw a tantrum..........I suspect there will be negotiations behind the scenes before the end of the year and an agreement in place.......but not if Canada wants the terms favoring them I imagine Toyota has some skin in the game on this as well, they plan to build their new 6th gen hybrid Rav4 in canada. That is if not the top seller their top seller in the US. I hope Toyota gets their head handed to them for this one but sadly I think folks will vacuum them up . https://motorillustrated.com/toyota-begins-canadian-production-of-6th-generation-rav4-hybrid/174279/ |
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
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The whole idea of negotiating trade deficits from a sum amount is retarded. "We import $10 of your guys stuff and you only import $5 of our stuff so we're going to double the price of our $5 stuff so it's even" "Well them we won't buy it, or we will only buy half from you" If you have an import economy you are going to have trade deficits |
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Originally Posted By xd341: There is more to this on both sides. Canadian liberals appear to be an extension of the US democrat party, I mean a democrat operative is now the "COO" of carney's office. A position that didn't exist until a couple weeks ago. So regardless of the details of any deal, it appears Carney has motivations unrelated to the well being of the Canadian people. Trump is well aware that Carney is a puppet of the pro globalism, progressive interests in europe. The donroe doctrine being what it is, it's likely his intent to cause carney as much pain as possible. And frankly, Iran has a better negotiating position than Canada, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants within the law. if carney disappeared and a conservative government took over he wouldn't even hold their feet to the fire all that much. Conservatives could get a much better deal than a liberal. Pierre is smart enough to know that a little ass kissing goes a long way. Pretty much everybody knows this, even carney. The lack of ass kissing for the greater good of his people is telling. I don't think Trump is all that concerned about the mid terms. It's a foregone conclusion for him and he'll go from campaign mode into lawfare mode in about 2 minutes. He has a pile of money and can afford the fight. it won't change his trade policy one bit. That's not a congressional power. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... Canadian liberals appear to be an extension of the US democrat party, I mean a democrat operative is now the "COO" of carney's office. A position that didn't exist until a couple weeks ago. So regardless of the details of any deal, it appears Carney has motivations unrelated to the well being of the Canadian people. Trump is well aware that Carney is a puppet of the pro globalism, progressive interests in europe. The donroe doctrine being what it is, it's likely his intent to cause carney as much pain as possible. And frankly, Iran has a better negotiating position than Canada, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants within the law. if carney disappeared and a conservative government took over he wouldn't even hold their feet to the fire all that much. Conservatives could get a much better deal than a liberal. Pierre is smart enough to know that a little ass kissing goes a long way. Pretty much everybody knows this, even carney. The lack of ass kissing for the greater good of his people is telling. I don't think Trump is all that concerned about the mid terms. It's a foregone conclusion for him and he'll go from campaign mode into lawfare mode in about 2 minutes. He has a pile of money and can afford the fight. it won't change his trade policy one bit. That's not a congressional power. He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn’t play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn’t play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... Canadian liberals appear to be an extension of the US democrat party, I mean a democrat operative is now the "COO" of carney's office. A position that didn't exist until a couple weeks ago. So regardless of the details of any deal, it appears Carney has motivations unrelated to the well being of the Canadian people. Trump is well aware that Carney is a puppet of the pro globalism, progressive interests in europe. The donroe doctrine being what it is, it's likely his intent to cause carney as much pain as possible. And frankly, Iran has a better negotiating position than Canada, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants within the law. if carney disappeared and a conservative government took over he wouldn't even hold their feet to the fire all that much. Conservatives could get a much better deal than a liberal. Pierre is smart enough to know that a little ass kissing goes a long way. Pretty much everybody knows this, even carney. The lack of ass kissing for the greater good of his people is telling. I don't think Trump is all that concerned about the mid terms. It's a foregone conclusion for him and he'll go from campaign mode into lawfare mode in about 2 minutes. He has a pile of money and can afford the fight. it won't change his trade policy one bit. That's not a congressional power. He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn’t play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. And now he is making an example of them. South America seems to notice. |
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Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM: I was just reading that there will be a ban on Canadian alcohol products starting Sept 29th? If so I might need to stock up on Crown Royal and Fireball. ![]() https://www.cbc.ca/news/livestory/canada-u-s-retaliatory-tariffs-dollar-for-dollar-9.7331632 About time considering the majority of the provinces banned US alcohol, and Canadian whiskey sucks. |
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Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... I think a lot of this spark is the back biting that Trudeau and now Carney has done on US policy. Add in the gall to run ads to influence US elections. The twisting and abuse of the Reagan statements in the ads was known to be a false impression. That’s not the actions of allies. I am still pissed that Trump I believe accidentally got Carney elected. That was dumb. Pollivierre had a great shot until it became a Canada against Trump thing. Damn, Canada get your own villains! |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HRuKj5fbsAAwT8_?format=jpg&name=large I love how it always just comes back to milk. Every single time. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn’t play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Z09SS: There's a strong case to be made about the auto industry at least that Canada made a great decision to on-shore the production we off-shored due to a really bad series of decisions. The problem is when we come to our senses and realize that it was a bad decision, for us, to off shore that production and it's a good idea, for us, to have it back. That's all hurt to Canada if we do. Mr NoMoreMemesMan is not doing a credible job of convincing me that we shouldn't move those jobs back. It's a knee jerk response to him being a jerk about it. But at the core of things, I doubt that trade imbalance is what is really the cause of Trump doing what he's doing. That long ass, undefended, barely patrolled border and Canada's immigration policies could have a lot more to do with it than they're letting on. That and how cozy the politicians seem to be with China... Canadian liberals appear to be an extension of the US democrat party, I mean a democrat operative is now the "COO" of carney's office. A position that didn't exist until a couple weeks ago. So regardless of the details of any deal, it appears Carney has motivations unrelated to the well being of the Canadian people. Trump is well aware that Carney is a puppet of the pro globalism, progressive interests in europe. The donroe doctrine being what it is, it's likely his intent to cause carney as much pain as possible. And frankly, Iran has a better negotiating position than Canada, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants within the law. if carney disappeared and a conservative government took over he wouldn't even hold their feet to the fire all that much. Conservatives could get a much better deal than a liberal. Pierre is smart enough to know that a little ass kissing goes a long way. Pretty much everybody knows this, even carney. The lack of ass kissing for the greater good of his people is telling. I don't think Trump is all that concerned about the mid terms. It's a foregone conclusion for him and he'll go from campaign mode into lawfare mode in about 2 minutes. He has a pile of money and can afford the fight. it won't change his trade policy one bit. That's not a congressional power. He deliberately helped the Liberal Party hold onto power, he has said so. If he had kept his mouth shut and didn’t play the games he played, the Liberals would have been tossed. His trolling enabled the Liberals to run against him and literally saved them. I must have missed the admission from Trump. I suspected it and that perhaps he thought he’d have a weaker leader to negotiate with being a green communist against industrializing Canada. |
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Carney getting down on his knees to China. Canada is a vassal state to the WEF and CCP. Carney is running to the CCP to save Canada from that bully Trump. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/china-reveals-military-talks-canadian-195534824.html OTTAWA — As the Carney government pursues deeper relations with Beijing, the Chinese government reports it held a "candid" exchange on military issues with Canadian officials earlier this month. The meeting - which Beijing said took place in Canada on Sept. 4 - followed years of diplomatic strain and is raising concerns among Conservatives, who reject the idea of military co-operation with China. China's defence ministry revealed the two countries held their fifth defence co-ordination dialogue last week. Canada's Defence Department confirmed that report days later. |


