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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump is now threatening to end all trade with countries where we have a trade deficit... unless the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates Unhinged behavior https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/370258/HRYMOSab0AAWF-E-3822144.jpg Warsh is Trump's handpicked guy and been praised by Trump just a few days ago... lol |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Are you kidding me? The most high vis example has been the F-35, with Spain famously deciding to cancel its planned purchase. Canada has slowed their role, but no telling how that might go. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Are you kidding me? The most high vis example has been the F-35, with Spain famously deciding to cancel its planned purchase. Canada has slowed their role, but no telling how that might go. I would still be surprised if as a % of their defense spending their reliance on US companies meaningfully decreased. Think we're still the big dog in the game and guessing Russia has properly scared them into spending a couple bucks more |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump is now threatening to end all trade with countries where we have a trade deficit... unless the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates Unhinged behavior https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/370258/HRYMOSab0AAWF-E-3822144.jpg I think it's all theater. I don't think we're getting a cut, but I also don't think we're getting a hike. <- have quite a few bucks in interest rate plays, so I am putting money behind the thesis 
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: The Erie canal predates the RR. Not by a lot of years but it does. 1820’s iirc. As far as the St. Lawrence locks, that was in the 1950’s and was motivated by the damage the U boats did in WW2. The Welland? Never looked it up. Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Originally Posted By crwdplsr: Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Originally Posted By BrayD: Originally Posted By JLAudio: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/370258/Screenshot_2026-08-29_105706-3819043.png
Weird. I just watched a video where a guy took a yatch from Chicago through the Erie canal to New York City then down to Florida. My eyes must have been lying to me. Potential cargo volume may be lower through the Erie canal, but the "no other way" claim is a lie. You can get modest barges down the Erie but nothing like the big Mississippi river barges. I’m picturing the gravel barges that hauled to NYC down the Champlain canal. I’m guessing the tonnage of those was about 6 to 8 32 foot dump trailers of volume. I’m WAG in that not even SWAG. The locks and the available draft along the way are the limits. I learned that the loadings are carefully crafted to not run aground and not hit the bridges by company engineers not the Captain of the Tug. They hit a bridge by being a foot too tall and got the bridge shut down for a week or more to get some repairs. That’s when I learned that the loading and draft is set up for them. Barging oil was a bigger thing back in the day here. They do still barge oil, iirc a lot of it is NYC oil but is stored in facilities upstate like in Albany/Rensselaer on the Hudson. There is barge traffic with oil around Utica and Syracuse but I have no idea where or two, just that they’re there on the canal with storage depots. You do realize that we managed before the well and canal was built There is a reason Buffalo has some of the largest rail yards and the largest breakwater on the lakes is the port of Buffalo. Not all the infrastructure is there anymore. But you could bypass through Buffalo if need be. The Erie canal predates the RR. Not by a lot of years but it does. 1820’s iirc. As far as the St. Lawrence locks, that was in the 1950’s and was motivated by the damage the U boats did in WW2. The Welland? Never looked it up. All that freight that went by ship stopped in buffalo before the welland canal from Lake Erie to Lake America was built. It all got offloaded from the ships in Buffalo and loaded onto freight trains and shipped to NYC, Philly, etc to then get loaded onto ships to go overseas. We are capable of bypassing the St Lawrence seaway. It would be slower, more work, and more expensive……but it would create a lot of jobs. Just saying. And we could Naval blockade the St. Lawrence. Just saying. |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Canada is rapidly expanding its oil exports to Asia. They have one pipeline that can get their oil to a coast. at most it can move about 1/4 of what they sell to the US every day. New pipelines are the third rail of canadian politics because they are leftist retarded idiots. They aren't even approved yet and it'll be a fight. Even once they are approved they will take years to build. Get the fuck out of here |
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Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake: I would still be surprised if as a % of their defense spending their reliance on US companies meaningfully decreased. Think we're still the big dog in the game and guessing Russia has properly scared them into spending a couple bucks more Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Are you kidding me? The most high vis example has been the F-35, with Spain famously deciding to cancel its planned purchase. Canada has slowed their role, but no telling how that might go. I would still be surprised if as a % of their defense spending their reliance on US companies meaningfully decreased. Think we're still the big dog in the game and guessing Russia has properly scared them into spending a couple bucks more Lots of political posturing in all directions, no doubt. |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Canada is rapidly expanding its oil exports to Asia. That was predictable. If you wanted to destroy Iran’s economy, you stop their oil exports. Since China is who buys Iran’s oil, you need to give them another supply and make it appear that you are giving Canada win and not starting a war with China over oil (you might recall that is how we got into a war with Japan). Presto, Chango, Trump did some magical 52D chess, you never saw it coming and he hurt Iran even more. That’s called winning. |
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Originally Posted By XJ: Still waiting to learn what essential to daily life products/services Canada provides to us  Tigercat Industries and Madill Equipment. Two of the largest players in the Forestry Equipment industry and used extensively in the PNW. Potash from Saskatchewan. Canola oil. |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Tigercat Industries and Madill Equipment. Two of the largest players in the Forestry Equipment industry and used extensively in the PNW. Potash from Saskatchewan. Canola oil. id be happy if my tax payer dollars helped Tigercat move to the US. potash is a real sticking point. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: No they aren't They have one pipeline that can get their oil to a coast. at most it can move about 1/4 of what they sell to the US every day. New pipelines are the third rail of canadian politics because they are leftist retarded idiots. They aren't even approved yet and it'll be a fight. Even once they are approved they will take years to build. Get the fuck out of here Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Canada is rapidly expanding its oil exports to Asia. They have one pipeline that can get their oil to a coast. at most it can move about 1/4 of what they sell to the US every day. New pipelines are the third rail of canadian politics because they are leftist retarded idiots. They aren't even approved yet and it'll be a fight. Even once they are approved they will take years to build. Get the fuck out of here TM was Expanded in 2024 and added 590,000 barrel per day capacity. It's running wide open. The next phase adding another 90,000 barrels a day is under construction and will complete in 2027. By 2028 the pump stations will be expanded pushing total capacity to 1.2M barrels a day. In July another pipeline following most of the same corridor was announced with a new Terminal in Point Roberts. Adding an additional 1 million barrels a day capacity. Construction will start before the end of 2027. These expansions have improved the price of WCS against WTI because there's now a wider market. |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: TM was Expanded in 2024 and added 590,000 barrel per day capacity. It's running wide open. The next phase adding another 90,000 barrels a day is under construction and will complete in 2027. By 2028 the pump stations will be expanded pushing total capacity to 1.2M barrels a day. In July another pipeline following most of the same corridor was announced with a new Terminal in Point Roberts. Adding an additional 1 million barrels a day capacity. Construction will start before the end of 2027. These expansions have improved the price of WCS against WTI because there's now a wider market. That pipeline isn't even actually approved, that's a proposal. The current Canadian federal government and the previous one had a no new pipeline policy, they hate them because they are green cultists. this is the only currently formally proposed pipeline..Alberta west coast ...and it's only a proposal. Barring an emergency this will take years of canadian consultations and bullshit before they even agree to build it. Then they gotta build it. so again I say....get the fuck outta here. |
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Originally Posted By XJ: Still waiting to learn what essential to daily life products/services Canada provides to us Aluminum. Basicly half of the new aluminum the us uses comes from Canada. Most of the rest is imported as well. Tariff on canadian aluminum is now up to %50. Its actually a double hit, since the aluminum we buy from Canada is refined out of ore we mine in the US. Tariffs increasing the cost of aluminum suck for industries that buy the metal, which is near all of them, but also the companies mining the ore which now face lower demand and Canadian tarrifs. My employer buys a lot of aluminum. All of it comes from Canada. This isn't an abstract thing for me. We keep getting told this is all to benefit American manufacturers like us, but we will be lucky to avoid layoffs at this rate. |
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Originally Posted By Local: Aluminum. Basicly half of the new aluminum the us uses comes from Canada. Most of the rest is imported as well. Tariff on canadian aluminum is now up to %50. Its actually a double hit, since the aluminum we buy from Canada is refined out of ore we mine in the US. Tariffs increasing the cost of aluminum suck for industries that buy the metal, which is near all of them, but also the companies mining the ore which now face lower demand and Canadian tarrifs. My employer buys a lot of aluminum. All of it comes from Canada. This isn't an abstract thing for me. We keep getting told this is all to benefit American manufacturers like us, but we will be lucky to avoid layoffs at this rate. Extruded 6061-6511 round bar, which is about as basic as it gets was pushing $5 a lb last week. There are US mills, but as a country we use a fuck ton of aluminum. The other big source was Russia.
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Originally Posted By XJ: Still waiting to learn what essential to daily life products/services Canada provides to us I’m with you XJ. Personally, Canada has never played a role in my 60+ years on the earth, nor will they. That said, they are spending money and providing materials to some of our citizens. It’s kinda like getting hit by lightning - it’s never happened to me and likely won’t, but it suck’s for those affected. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Yep. Extruded 6061-6511 round bar, which is about as basic as it gets was pushing $5 a lb last week. There are US mills, but as a country we use a fuck ton of aluminum. The other big source was Russia. I drink a lot of coke. While glass is the preferred container the vast majority of what I drink is in a can. An aluminum can. I’m seeing reason number 87 to conquer them. In this case to liberate our aluminum. |
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Originally Posted By Local: Aluminum. Basicly half of the new aluminum the us uses comes from Canada. Most of the rest is imported as well. Tariff on canadian aluminum is now up to %50. Its actually a double hit, since the aluminum we buy from Canada is refined out of ore we mine in the US. Tariffs increasing the cost of aluminum suck for industries that buy the metal, which is near all of them, but also the companies mining the ore which now face lower demand and Canadian tarrifs. My employer buys a lot of aluminum. All of it comes from Canada. This isn't an abstract thing for me. We keep getting told this is all to benefit American manufacturers like us, but we will be lucky to avoid layoffs at this rate. Through Canada from China apparently |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: I drink a lot of coke. While glass is the preferred container the vast majority of what I drink is in a can. An aluminum can. I'm seeing reason number 87 to conquer them. In this case to liberate our aluminum. It's not so much an ore deposit issue as it is a cheap electricity issue. It takes so much energy to smelt aluminum it's basically precipitated electrons. Niagara falls makes some juice. One of the biggest producers in the world is actually named Hydro. The stuff i bought last week was from hydro. Canada has plenty of power, so they are very competitive in that market. I assume given the size of Americas hat, they probably have the bauxite as well. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: All we need to do is build nukes. It's not so much an ore deposit issue as it is a cheap electricity issue. It takes so much energy to smelt aluminum it's basically precipitated electrons. Niagara falls makes some juice. One of the biggest producers in the world is actually named Hydro. The stuff i bought last week was from hydro. Canada has plenty of power, so they are very competitive in that market. I assume given the size of Americas hat, they probably have the bauxite as well. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: I drink a lot of coke. While glass is the preferred container the vast majority of what I drink is in a can. An aluminum can. I'm seeing reason number 87 to conquer them. In this case to liberate our aluminum. It's not so much an ore deposit issue as it is a cheap electricity issue. It takes so much energy to smelt aluminum it's basically precipitated electrons. Niagara falls makes some juice. One of the biggest producers in the world is actually named Hydro. The stuff i bought last week was from hydro. Canada has plenty of power, so they are very competitive in that market. I assume given the size of Americas hat, they probably have the bauxite as well. Energy should be dirt cheap in the US. There is nothing in Canada that has some huge advantage we don't have. After the Vietnam and Civil Rights Era protests the USSR funded they switched over to targeting our energy sector. A lot of the anti-nuke and early environmentalism was encouraged and funded by the USSR. That is why to this day a lot of those same people are watermelons. Green on the outside but commie red on the inside. Western environmentalists are almost always also hardcore commies or socialists. They just use environmental activism as a wedge issue that back in the 70's and 80's led to panics and scare tactics over nuclear energy or even basics like oil/gas/industrial chemicals. We still do this day have a ton of foreign influence campaigns that directly target key areas the foreign actors don't want us to succeed in. We're still dealing with bullshit consequences of activist funding the from the USSR days. It's an absolutely great investment on their part. They basically spend peanuts and get retards over here to devote their life to carrying their water. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Dudes running out of smart shit to say. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By realwar: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HRTgBWeXEAEu-sm?format=jpg&name=large https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-09-03_at_10-14-05__3__Ho-3821540.JPG
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: I drink a lot of coke. While glass is the preferred container the vast majority of what I drink is in a can. An aluminum can. I'm seeing reason number 87 to conquer them. In this case to liberate our aluminum. I actually surprised someone would admit that. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-09-06_at_00-09-43__1__GB-3823012.JPG
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Originally Posted By gitarmac: Making carbonated liquid candy more expensive is a feature not a bug. I actually surprised someone would admit that. Originally Posted By gitarmac: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: I drink a lot of coke. While glass is the preferred container the vast majority of what I drink is in a can. An aluminum can. I'm seeing reason number 87 to conquer them. In this case to liberate our aluminum. I actually surprised someone would admit that. American society is neither as spartan, or as enthusiastic about conquest as GD would like. Most Americans like their absurd little luxuries like cheap soda now and then and probably don’t like the idea of shivering in the cold in a vast, frozen wasteland like Canada. |
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Of all the negotiating tactics available, only a complete moron would chose to meet Trump in the arena that he enjoys most. I know why they did it, and it worked in the short term, but all they've done is entertain Trump. Economically this isn't a fight. It's a beating that has only one outcome, and now that outcome will either require or result in the liberal party losing power, and it's the most predictable outcome in recent memory. So if they aren't complete morons, what was the actual goal? |
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I didn't realize that Canada's economy has been so flat... I keep seeing reports that they're the lowest growth economy in the G20 or whatever it is and have been lagging for a decade, also predicted to be flat for the coming decade. I dunno how they can have economy issues when they live next door to a country throwing off hundred dollar bills like we wipe our ass with them?  Apparently their environmental study and permitting process for business and industry is excruciating and absurd EU and california style... I guess some companies have looked forward to decade waiting on this and just said fuck it and walked away. It should be easy for Canada to be rich and booming with their resources and America next door to buy all their shit... they should be able to pay for all their globohomo socialist bullshit without breaking a sweat.. I don't get it, I don't get what their problem is and now they're stomping around whining like children as if its everybody elses fault, and that jumped up little fucker of prime minister is talking like a little bitch... weird |
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Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HRoaOv-WMAAr5dY?format=jpg&name=small So no more Can Am, Sea-Doo, or Ski-Doo? This might be too much for MAGA. |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: So no more Can Am, Sea-Doo, or Ski-Doo? This might be too much for MAGA. I think he is referring to Bombardier the Aviation company. The rec products were spun off in 2003 to form BRP still a Canadian company so who knows. Apparently it's Polaris for everyone so now is a good time to open a repair center for that junk. |
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Originally Posted By byron2112: I didn't realize that Canada's economy has been so flat... I keep seeing reports that they're the lowest growth economy in the G20 or whatever it is and have been lagging for a decade, also predicted to be flat for the coming decade. I dunno how they can have economy issues when they live next door to a country throwing off hundred dollar bills like we wipe our ass with them? Apparently their environmental study and permitting process for business and industry is excruciating and absurd EU and california style... I guess some companies have looked forward to decade waiting on this and just said fuck it and walked away. It should be easy for Canada to be rich and booming with their resources and America next door to buy all their shit... they should be able to pay for all their globohomo socialist bullshit without breaking a sweat.. I don't get it, I don't get what their problem is and now they're stomping around whining like children as if its everybody elses fault, and that jumped up little fucker of prime minister is talking like a little bitch... weird I feel the same way about Mexico. Easy access to the largest market in the world, easy access to both oceans, mountains, dessert, farmland, ports, airfields and a potentially huge tourism industry. Yet, we are surrounded by Mexicans and Snow Mexicans - both of them falling apart. |
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Originally Posted By mustb123: I feel the same way about Mexico. Easy access to the largest market in the world, easy access to both oceans, mountains, dessert, farmland, ports, airfields and a potentially huge tourism industry. Yet, we are surrounded by Mexicans and Snow Mexicans - both of them falling apart. America is not normal. Normal is much worse. The founders were brilliant and modern day American leaders are doing their best to destroy the founders vision. |
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Originally Posted By woozman: Warsh is Trump's handpicked guy and been praised by Trump just a few days ago... lol Originally Posted By woozman: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump is now threatening to end all trade with countries where we have a trade deficit... unless the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates Unhinged behavior https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/370258/HRYMOSab0AAWF-E-3822144.jpg Warsh is Trump's handpicked guy and been praised by Trump just a few days ago... lol Am I in before Trump labels him "Disloyal" & a "TRAITOR" Bigger_Hammer 
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Originally Posted By xd341: Of all the negotiating tactics available, only a complete moron would chose to meet Trump in the arena that he enjoys most. I know why they did it, and it worked in the short term, but all they've done is entertain Trump. Economically this isn't a fight. It's a beating that has only one outcome, and now that outcome will either require or result in the liberal party losing power, and it's the most predictable outcome in recent memory. So if they aren't complete morons, what was the actual goal? To me Carney is acting like US politicians like the democrats. He put his party and personal political motives ahead of his nation. He needed to keep the Quebecois faction backing him as well as a few others. The deal was torpedoed to get wins in several by election votes to retain his and his party’s power coalition. It was readily apparent if he signed the deal he would pay for it by losing those elections and his hold on their majority. He was flat out lying to his nation on how things were going. Doug Ford told him the day of the end of negotiations not to do it because his local auto and metals industry would be unhappy. He didn’t agree to sign it and made up the last minute demands issue. lol French language on imported US dairy and other minor crap. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Of all the negotiating tactics available, only a complete moron would chose to meet Trump in the arena that he enjoys most. I know why they did it, and it worked in the short term, but all they've done is entertain Trump. Economically this isn't a fight. It's a beating that has only one outcome, and now that outcome will either require or result in the liberal party losing power, and it's the most predictable outcome in recent memory. So if they aren't complete morons, what was the actual goal? I wouldn’t be so sure the Liberals will be turned out over this. The average Canuck hates America and Americans so bad they can taste it….the Liberals can get away with just about anything so long as they can convince the sheeple it’s hurting us. |