Russia / Iran / China - The New Axis Megathread (Page 2025 of 2027)
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In Novosibirsk, people in military uniforms were spotted near a polling station, who, it is claimed, are handing out draft notices and offering to sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense. Near polling station No. 2013 in Novosibirsk, individuals in military uniforms were present during voting. In photos and videos published (https://t.me/roman_nasvyazi/1175) by activist Roman Malozemov, they are standing near the building at Krasny Prospekt, 75 — this address houses Precinct Election Commission No. 2013, located in the dormitory of Siberian State University of Water Transport. Malozemov shared a message from one of the voters: “Went to the elections, and at the river dorm in Novosibirsk (Krasny 75), the draft board is set up and taking all the guys. They're issuing them some kind of notices—is this even legal?”. Later, the same man reported to him: “Managed to vote, but almost all the men were very insistently offered to sign a contract; I practically ran out of the polling station.” Photos, video: Roman Malozemov 
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In case anyone forgot who Julian Assange works for: In 2016, Assange refused to publish a Russian military and intelligence dump on the Russian invasion of Crimea and Donbas. In 2012, Assange refused to publish a leak on a 2 billion euro transaction between the Syrian dictatorship and a Russian government bank. 
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Originally Posted By Prime: [i]My morning today started with congratulations from many foreign colleagues on Moscow Burning Day. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSpy_ISX0AAc4L5?format=jpg&name=medium
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This morning, Anduril founder Palmer Luckey said he has personally raised the stalled US$14 billion Taiwan arms package with President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Luckey said the delay is affecting Anduril’s business with Taiwan and attributed broader U.S. caution to China’s leverage over critical supply chains, including rare earths, electronics, and military components. 
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Zelensky claims that, for the first time, Ukraine used their domestically-produced FP-7 "Pelican" ballistic missile in combat on an unspecified target (not in Moscow Oblast, as it is not within range). Other munitions reportedly used by Ukraine in their massive overnight combined attack (Moscow Oblast and other regions) included FP-1, RZ-100 "Morok" drones, Lyutyi, and MICH-2000 long-range drones; Vendetta and Sych mid-range drones launched by a larger mother drone; as well as Palyanytsia and Bars jet-drones.
I didn't think it would be necessary to talk about it. But the Pelican in the president's address is an ordinary drone. Not ballistics.  https://t.me/kiber_boroshno/13533 |
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Originally Posted By Prime: The number of drones shot down while approaching Moscow has increased to 76 – Sobyanin. https://t.me/vestiru/229903 Sofyino, they are reporting an attack on warehouse premises. https://t.me/exilenova_plus/31177 More footage. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSn1b1kWYAAhhLk?format=jpg&name=large https://t.me/exilenova_plus/31178
Sofjino... the warehouse is burning. https://t.me/supernova_plus/60143 Sofyino chooses United Russia https://t.me/supernova_plus/60145 Sofyino... light https://t.me/supernova_plus/60146 Sofyino... let's remember https://t.me/supernova_plus/60148 Whatever it is, it is fully involved. Sofjino... we're leaving https://t.me/supernova_plus/60149 Close up view. https://t.me/ramenskoe11/54468 🔥 In response to Russian attacks on Ukraine, the Defense Forces used FP-1 drones to destroy another warehouse complex in the Moscow region. Preliminary reports indicate that warehouses belonging to 'Modern Warehouse Technologies' (Sovremennye Skladskie Tekhnologii) are currently in flames. 
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Baldassare Castiglione
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Russian Ministry of Defense has doubled down saying their clearance of Sviatohirsk is continuing. This was disputed a few weeks ago with General Biletsky of the Ukrainian 3rd Army Corps filming a video there saying it's actually a rear area for their unit. There is no evidence to support the Russian claim.   
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The world’s wrongest man, John Mearsheimer, says he was effectively penniless during his recent visit to Russia because the “Russia expert” didn’t know his US credit card wouldn’t work there. Mearsheimer was in Russia to lecture Russians about Russia, leaving local audiences confused by pro-Russia talking points that he seems unaware are only meant for Western consumption
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This morning, the Ukrainian 🇺🇦 army struck several targets in Moscow 🇷🇺, including the refinery for the 4th time this year. More than a thousand drones and missiles have been launched at Russia. This compilation of maps by @oko_gora_tg shows the flight paths of Ukrainian drones in September 2026. Key takeaways from this latest attack: 🔸Moscow's air defense is highly effective; the majority of drones are shot down—which makes sense given that over 140 air defense systems are deployed there. 🔸Despite this five-layer air defense, some drones manage to get through; Ukraine is therefore employing a strategy of concentrating on and saturating a specific area. 🔸This time, Kyiv did not strike fuel depots but targeted critical sections of the refinery directly. During the June attack, the refinery sustained partial damage and only resumed operations in August. 🔸Looking at the Ukrainian strategy, the saturation phase began earlier, around September 17. Ukrainian drones cost less than air defense missiles, meaning this relentless defense comes at a high cost to Moscow. 🔸This marks the seventh attack on a Russian refinery this month and the 91st since the start of the year. This strains Russia's refining capacity and exacerbates fuel shortages in many regions. 🔸Finally, at least 10 different types of drones and missiles were used, demonstrating that Kyiv is accelerating the development of its strike capabilities—albeit lagging somewhat behind Russia, which employed this saturation strategy between 2023 and 2025 but uses it less frequently today.
New footage filmed by Moscow residents now also shows a Ukrainian Morok high-speed strike drone flying over the city during today’s attack. Morok is a piston-powered, propeller-driven long-range strike drone that stands out for its unusually high speed for this class. So far, local footage from Moscow has captured FP-1, Liutyi, MICH-2000, Morok, Flamingo debris, and an unidentified jet-powered drone, likely Palianytsia or Bars.
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I'm sorry WHAT? Motaz Azaiza, one of the most celebrated Gaza “journalists”, casually explains that during the war he would travel around in AMBULANCES because it made it easier for him to get around. Also proving that everyone in Gaza knows Israel DOESN'T target ambulances. https://x.com/kikas6652/status/2101464397361336425/video/1
That is Imam Hussein’s head. In their story, Yazid didn’t just kill him. He cut the head off and rammed it onto a stick. You may ask why they restage his fight and death every year after 1000+ years. Shia Muslims do it to keep the wound open. To keep Hussein’s story burning. To remember, in their telling, that the throne was stolen, and that the debt is still unpaid. They do this so the beef with Sunni Muslims never dies and to make sure that people remember that they need to take revenge.
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Baldassare Castiglione
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One of the largest markets in Moscow and Russia as a whole — "Sadovod" — has also gotten a slap. P.S. And pure Russian speech )))
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Iran's Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' joint military command, issued a warning aimed at the U.S. and regional countries. The statement claims the U.S. has been given a "green light" by unnamed regional countries at a joint meeting in Europe to resume action against Iran. It warns that any U.S. "mistake" against Iran will result in continuous, effective, and painful attacks on American bases and interests in the region, without restriction. The statement also warns regional countries aligning with what it calls the "Great Satan's aggression" against Iran that they will be treated as partners in that aggression and should not expect restraint from Iran's armed forces.
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Two Hamas terrorists who invaded Israel during the October 7, 2023, onslaught and another member of the terror group's elite Nukhba Force were killed in recent strikes in the Gaza Strip, the military and Shin Bet security agency announce. A strike on Saturday killed Yahya Hamdouna, identified by the IDF and Shin Bet as a member of Hamas who invaded Israel on October 7. The military and security agency say a separate strike over the weekend killed Mohammad Rafa'i, a member of Hamas's Daraj-Tuffah Battalion who invaded Israel on October 7, and Basir al-Barsh, a Nukhba commander. The three terrorists had been advancing attacks on troops and Israeli civilians, and acting to restore Hamas's capabilities, "in systematic violation of the ceasefire," the joint statement says, adding that they were killed "to remove the threat." West Bank
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Statement from the Philippine Coast Guard: “Let us be clear about what this vessel was doing: it was bringing fuel to Filipino fishermen so they can keep fishing in our own waters and keep food on Filipino tables. The China Coast Guard deliberately rammed a civilian government vessel on a humanitarian and livelihood mission, endangering the lives of its Filipino crew." 
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Source: 🇺🇦 US intelligence warns Ukraine: “red” threat level in connection with a possible massive Russian attack within the next 72 hours: - up to 50 ballistic missiles - up to 55 maneuverable missiles Kh-101, Kalibr, and Iskander-K 
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Baldassare Castiglione
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Originally Posted By Prime:
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In case anyone forgot who Julian Assange works for: In 2016, Assange refused to publish a Russian military and intelligence dump on the Russian invasion of Crimea and Donbas. In 2012, Assange refused to publish a leak on a 2 billion euro transaction between the Syrian dictatorship and a Russian government bank. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSm-Bq9XEAAkmG_?format=jpg&name=small
I had no idea Assange had any connections to Russia. I guess like typical anarcho-socialists, his criticisms are only towards Western democracies. Or was the asshole actually working for the Russians? |
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“2.1mn sq m of the country’s 5mn sq m of modern warehouses have been destroyed, with 900,000 sq m alone hit in recent months, according to Ruslan Shostak… Earlier this month, ballistic missile strikes disabled Ukraine’s three major remaining steel plants in the industrial heartlands of the Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk regions… ‘As of today, [Ukraine] doesn’t have a steel industry any more,’ Oleksandr Vodoviz, head of the chief executive’s office at Metinvest… ‘They knew everything about the plant, they knew exactly where to hit,’ Vodoviz said. Ballistic missiles targeted the blast furnaces at the three plants, including two owned by Metinvest and an ArcelorMittal factory in Zelenskyy’s native city of Kryvyi Rih. Metinvest and ArcelorMittal said the factories — which together made up 90 per cent of the country’s steel output — were now idle… Russia’s blockade of the Black Sea is also costing Ukraine about 1.5 per cent of GDP, according to government estimates. Agriculture minister Taras Vysotskyi said alternative routes allowed Ukraine to export only 40 per cent of its normal agricultural volumes.” @fabrice_deprez https://ft.com/content/0ecc81ad-2119-4763-90fb-ba5d399d913d 
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Originally Posted By Prime: The world’s wrongest man, John Mearsheimer, says he was effectively penniless during his recent visit to Russia because the “Russia expert” didn’t know his US credit card wouldn’t work there. Mearsheimer was in Russia to lecture Russians about Russia, leaving local audiences confused by pro-Russia talking points that he seems unaware are only meant for Western consumption
Too bad he didn't get the full Russian treatment of hospitality... |
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Originally Posted By Prime: I'm sorry WHAT? Motaz Azaiza, one of the most celebrated Gaza “journalists”, casually explains that during the war he would travel around in AMBULANCES because it made it easier for him to get around. Also proving that everyone in Gaza knows Israel DOESN'T target ambulances. https://x.com/kikas6652/status/2101464397361336425/video/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSnMHDAXYAAoEqq?format=jpg&name=medium
That is Imam Hussein’s head. In their story, Yazid didn’t just kill him. He cut the head off and rammed it onto a stick. You may ask why they restage his fight and death every year after 1000+ years. Shia Muslims do it to keep the wound open. To keep Hussein’s story burning. To remember, in their telling, that the throne was stolen, and that the debt is still unpaid. They do this so the beef with Sunni Muslims never dies and to make sure that people remember that they need to take revenge.
I wish Ed Sheeran, and all the Hamas supporting raper assholes, go to Gaza for a benefit concert. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: This morning, the Ukrainian 🇺🇦 army struck several targets in Moscow 🇷🇺, including the refinery for the 4th time this year. More than a thousand drones and missiles have been launched at Russia. This compilation of maps by @oko_gora_tg shows the flight paths of Ukrainian drones in September 2026. Key takeaways from this latest attack: 🔸Moscow's air defense is highly effective; the majority of drones are shot down—which makes sense given that over 140 air defense systems are deployed there. 🔸Despite this five-layer air defense, some drones manage to get through; Ukraine is therefore employing a strategy of concentrating on and saturating a specific area. 🔸This time, Kyiv did not strike fuel depots but targeted critical sections of the refinery directly. During the June attack, the refinery sustained partial damage and only resumed operations in August. 🔸Looking at the Ukrainian strategy, the saturation phase began earlier, around September 17. Ukrainian drones cost less than air defense missiles, meaning this relentless defense comes at a high cost to Moscow. 🔸This marks the seventh attack on a Russian refinery this month and the 91st since the start of the year. This strains Russia's refining capacity and exacerbates fuel shortages in many regions. 🔸Finally, at least 10 different types of drones and missiles were used, demonstrating that Kyiv is accelerating the development of its strike capabilities—albeit lagging somewhat behind Russia, which employed this saturation strategy between 2023 and 2025 but uses it less frequently today.
New footage filmed by Moscow residents now also shows a Ukrainian Morok high-speed strike drone flying over the city during today’s attack. Morok is a piston-powered, propeller-driven long-range strike drone that stands out for its unusually high speed for this class. So far, local footage from Moscow has captured FP-1, Liutyi, MICH-2000, Morok, Flamingo debris, and an unidentified jet-powered drone, likely Palianytsia or Bars.
I was assured that Russian air defenses were tier 1 stuff though. Especially around Moscow. 
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I’ve been thinking about Fury’s simplicity mostly as a manufacturing decision. This article made me realize there’s another side to it. The Air Force says its CCA unit has been operating at roughly one maintainer per aircraft during recent exercises, and they’re finding the aircraft simple enough that Airmen from different specialties can be trained to generate sorties and load weapons. Anduril says Fury is now down to a single operator flying it from a laptop, with hot reloads taking single-digit minutes. We just learned how much Anduril has simplified the production side of Fury at Arsenal-1. It looks like some of that same thinking carries through to what happens after the aircraft leaves the factory: how many people, how much equipment, and how much time it takes to actually keep one flying.  https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-cca-drones-large-scale-exercise-fly-emerald-flag/ |
Why taking out Russia’s S-400 systems is so critical right now. Ukrainian forces recently destroyed an S-400 missile launcher using FP-1 attack drones. But this isn't just about weakening Russia's air defenses anymore. According to Reuters, Russia has started repurposing target missiles (RM-48U) fired from these S-400 systems to strike ground targets across Ukraine. In July and early August, these converted missiles made up more than half of the 228 ballistic and hypersonic weapons launched at Ukrainian territory. Every S-400 launcher eliminated means one less platform for terror. 
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LOL at 100 percent shot down.
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U.S. company Perseus Defense has demonstrated the Mk-III Harpe air-defense missile during the Falcon Peak 26.2 exercises in Arizona, which focused on countering unmanned aerial vehicles. An eight-missile launcher for the system was showcased during the exercises. The Mk-III is 0.61 m (2 ft) long and reportedly has a range of up to 2 km (1.2 miles). The missile is designed to intercept small Group 1–2 drones weighing up to 25 kg (55 lb) through kinetic impact, using a direct hit rather than a warhead. The reported cost is approximately $2,500 per missile, while the guidance method has not been disclosed.  
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MORE: The Russian MoD claimed on September 19 that Russian forces have seized over 5,300 square kilometers and more than 220 settlements in Ukraine since the start of 2026, including over 670 square kilometers and 27 settlements so far in September 2026. ISW has observed evidence to assess that Russian forces have seized only 147.7 square kilometers and 40 settlements, but have lost a net of 20 settlements in 2026. Including areas into which Russian forces have infiltrated but do not control brings the total Russian gains to 718.8 square kilometers this year, still far below the Russian MoD’s September 19 claims. ISW has observed evidence to assess that Ukrainian forces, on the other hand, have liberated at least 972.56 square kilometers and 60 settlements in 2026. The Russian MoD’s September 19 claims are part of a longstanding Kremlin effort to use aggrandized claims of battlefield advances to convince Ukraine and its partners that Ukrainian defenses will collapse and that Ukraine should surrender in the face of an allegedly inevitable Russian victory. Exaggerated Russian claims likely also result from the culture of pervasive lying within the Russian military. Ukrainian forces have, in fact, successfully contested both the strategic and the operational initiative since late 2025, having held Russian forces to near-zero gains since March 2026 and having conducted successful counterattacks that have liberated significant amounts of territory in the Kupyansk, Oleksandrivka, and Lyman directions. 
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Originally Posted By VVinci: Yeah, well, except that his export capabilities are now down 30%. And falling. I read the Russians have to import diesel now. Fuck Putin and Russians in general. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/2100490023430737920/E4d06eG0?format=jpg&name=small https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-cca-drones-large-scale-exercise-fly-emerald-flag/ Can we convince Palmer to make cars and motorcycles? |
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Originally Posted By weptek911: I read the Russians have to import diesel now. Fuck Putin and Russians in general. Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By VVinci: Yeah, well, except that his export capabilities are now down 30%. And falling. I read the Russians have to import diesel now. Fuck Putin and Russians in general. it's wild to consider that 'the average Russian's ability to tolerate suffering' is likely built into their military plans. |
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 Isn't Narva that city in Estonia full of russians? I think the people most upset if Russia took it would be the russians who live there because it would mean they have to actually live in their own shithole country. In reality, this will suck. If Russia wants to do it, now is their opportunity because it looks like we have a gap in deployments to the baltic states. If we had a significant presence there I don't think Russia would even think about it. But meanwhile we're talking about decreasing troop levels in Europe bigly. What a stupid time for us to even talk about that.  take it with a grain of salt, its AI: "In July 2026, Estonia explicitly said that fewer than 100 U.S. troops remained in the country. The normal rotational force had been around 500–700 personnel, but the next rotation had been delayed because of the Pentagon's review of U.S. force posture in Europe." |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I had no idea Assange had any connections to Russia. I guess like typical anarcho-socialists, his criticisms are only towards Western democracies. Or was the asshole actually working for the Russians? Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Prime:
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In case anyone forgot who Julian Assange works for: In 2016, Assange refused to publish a Russian military and intelligence dump on the Russian invasion of Crimea and Donbas. In 2012, Assange refused to publish a leak on a 2 billion euro transaction between the Syrian dictatorship and a Russian government bank. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSm-Bq9XEAAkmG_?format=jpg&name=small
I had no idea Assange had any connections to Russia. I guess like typical anarcho-socialists, his criticisms are only towards Western democracies. Or was the asshole actually working for the Russians? Putin has a flavor of Kool-Aid for every political persuasion. Many leftoids that hate Putin still spout his propaganda narratives about the US, blissfully ignorant that they are doing so. Ass-ange, like a lot of hard-left “journalists “, are conscious Allies of Putin. |
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Originally Posted By 15fanatic:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSpw2O3WAAAFLXH?format=jpg&name=small Isn't Narva that city in Estonia full of russians? I think the people most upset if Russia took it would be the russians who live there because it would mean they have to actually live in their own shithole country. In reality, this will suck. If Russia wants to do it, now is their opportunity because it looks like we have a gap in deployments to the baltic states. If we had a significant presence there I don't think Russia would even think about it. But meanwhile we're talking about decreasing troop levels in Europe bigly. What a stupid time for us to even talk about that. take it with a grain of salt, its AI: "In July 2026, Estonia explicitly said that fewer than 100 U.S. troops remained in the country. The normal rotational force had been around 500–700 personnel, but the next rotation had been delayed because of the Pentagon's review of U.S. force posture in Europe." You leave out soooooo much information. First the UK is the framework nation for Estonia. Which means the UK has the primary responsibility for organizing, staffing, and commanding the core combat group defending that specific country. This does not mean they provide all the troops protecting the country. The UK has around 800 personnel in the country. France, Denmark etc… also have personnel there. NATO has pre-positioned ammunition, equipment, supplies etc… in Estonia and the other Baltic states, so reinforcing brigades can fight as soon as they arrive. NATO has overwhelming capabilities over the Russians. We can see what Russia is doing in real time. So how exactly is Russia going to amass troops for an invasion without NATO noticing? NATO can quickly mine any avenues Russia would take. Please explain in detail why it’s “Bigly” stupid for us to be discussing a draw down of troop level in Europe. |
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Two things from last night’s Kapotnya Refinery strike: the drones still get through, and Russian national refining levels are sitting on the demand floor. First, Ukrainian drones are still getting through to named units inside the Moscow region. The full air-defense picture over Russia remains hard to read. Moscow controls the data flow, so it is nearly impossible to say how many sites are hit or with how many drones. Russian intercept claims routinely exceed any plausible launch count. Kyiv does not publish the other side of that ledger either. I also know several large strikes over the past few months never made the official lists. FIRMS has shown heat anomalies at other locations on major nights. I am not ready to assign a percentage or fold those into metrics. Monitoring only, and searching for better sources. Back to oil. Kapotnya was hit several times in June and once in July. June damage was significant. The July pass likely reset part of the repair clock. The original timeline on units of this class was about six months. Last night was well timed: the plant was still running, just slower. National production look like about 3.2 mb/d now, down from 4.1 a month ago. Chart is the 30-day live series. Typical domestic use is 3.2–3.8 mb/d. Russia is importing product, but global capacity is tight, so production plus imports probably cannot cover the top of that band as demonstrated by the current widespread shortages. Once the mid estimate stays under 3.2, expect shortages stop being regional queues and become outages in the oblasts the Kremlin is willing to starve to keep Moscow and St. Petersburg supplied. Interested in any reliable Russian air-defense stats or even just full attacks beyond the headlines. 
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I had no idea Assange had any connections to Russia. I guess like typical anarcho-socialists, his criticisms are only towards Western democracies. Or was the asshole actually working for the Russians? After the west tried to imprison him for shining a light on their bullshit, he didn't have a lot of choices on where to run. What would you do? |
BREAKING: The U.S. Space Force is turning commercial satellites into a standing global system for detecting and locating GPS jamming and other electronic interference, SpaceNews reports. The move takes a capability previously tested with commercial providers and makes it part of ongoing military operations worldwide. Satellites operated by companies including $HAWK HawkEye 360 can detect and geolocate radio-frequency emissions from orbit, allowing the military to identify where GPS interference is coming from rather than simply knowing that a signal has been disrupted. It is another step toward commercial space infrastructure becoming embedded directly into U.S. military operations - this time for monitoring the electromagnetic battlefield. |
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Originally Posted By Longshore87: You leave out soooooo much information. First the UK is the framework nation for Estonia. Which means the UK has the primary responsibility for organizing, staffing, and commanding the core combat group defending that specific country. This does not mean they provide all the troops protecting the country. The UK has around 800 personnel in the country. France, Denmark etc… also have personnel there. NATO has pre-positioned ammunition, equipment, supplies etc… in Estonia and the other Baltic states, so reinforcing brigades can fight as soon as they arrive. NATO has overwhelming capabilities over the Russians. We can see what Russia is doing in real time. So how exactly is Russia going to amass troops for an invasion without NATO noticing? NATO can quickly mine any avenues Russia would take. Please explain in detail why it’s “Bigly” stupid for us to be discussing a draw down of troop level in Europe. Russia isn't worried about the UK. Russia wants to find out if the US will actually commit to defending NATO or not. And we're giving them signs that we might not. I don't think there is any chance russia would mess with nato if the US were clear eyed about what we would do. Any other president would be sending reinforcements to the baltic states right now just to shut down any talk about russia invading. But we're currently doing the opposite and talking about bringing troops home. Its the wrong message at the wrong time. |
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Originally Posted By Longshore87: You leave out soooooo much information. First the UK is the framework nation for Estonia. Which means the UK has the primary responsibility for organizing, staffing, and commanding the core combat group defending that specific country. This does not mean they provide all the troops protecting the country. The UK has around 800 personnel in the country. France, Denmark etc… also have personnel there. NATO has pre-positioned ammunition, equipment, supplies etc… in Estonia and the other Baltic states, so reinforcing brigades can fight as soon as they arrive. NATO has overwhelming capabilities over the Russians. We can see what Russia is doing in real time. So how exactly is Russia going to amass troops for an invasion without NATO noticing? NATO can quickly mine any avenues Russia would take. Please explain in detail why it’s “Bigly” stupid for us to be discussing a draw down of troop level in Europe. Originally Posted By Longshore87: You leave out soooooo much information. First the UK is the framework nation for Estonia. Which means the UK has the primary responsibility for organizing, staffing, and commanding the core combat group defending that specific country. This does not mean they provide all the troops protecting the country. The UK has around 800 personnel in the country. France, Denmark etc… also have personnel there. NATO has pre-positioned ammunition, equipment, supplies etc… in Estonia and the other Baltic states, so reinforcing brigades can fight as soon as they arrive. NATO has overwhelming capabilities over the Russians. We can see what Russia is doing in real time. So how exactly is Russia going to amass troops for an invasion without NATO noticing? NATO can quickly mine any avenues Russia would take. Please explain in detail why it’s “Bigly” stupid for us to be discussing a draw down of troop level in Europe. As you note, UK has lead in Estonia for NATO. But all troops there add up to a couple thousand. Let's be honest, NATO deployments in the Baltics are a tripwire force, not sufficient to defend against major ground invasion. And there's the old argument that we can see what they're doing therefore they cannot threaten the Baltics. Western ISR is the best, hands down. Western air power is the best. All true. But it's also not relevant. Putin deciding on attacking the Baltics has nothing to do with tactical-level forces present there. A greater issue is the recent comment by a NATO head of state saying "I don't want Slovakia to be part of any military conflict because of some Article 5." “Can you imagine, ladies and gentlemen, that Article 5 of the NATO treaty would be invoked?” he said. “Can anyone imagine that they would tell us: ‘Prepare 5,000 soldiers, 10,000 soldiers,’ and they will go to war somewhere? And we will not even know with whom, why and for what.” Slovakia BTW, would be a border state with Russia, if Russia defeats Ukraine. And it sounds like Fico is ready to play the part of buffer state. A NATO member, and unwilling to defend another NATO member. That's where you invite aggression. |
On Saturday, Hot Spot Fishing Charters, a Pensacola-based charter fishing company found and recovered a large distinctive delta-wing unmanned aerial vehicle in the Gulf of America, several miles off the western coast of Florida. The UAV, found by the charter group during a six-hour fishing tour, shares a striking resemblance with the Iranian Shahed-136, but is likely either a Low-cost Uncrewed Combat Attack System (LUCAS) or a Griffon Aerospace MQM-172 Arrowhead, both of which are American-built and designed copies of the Shahed. So far the U.S. Air Force and nearby Eglin Air Force Base have declined to comment on the discovery, with Hot Shot Charters stating that authorities arrived later in the day to retrieve the drone. |
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Now we see the talking point today. Trump just had to tweet out that complete lie he made up (ukraine nor russia agreed to anything)
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Originally Posted By 15fanatic: Russia isn't worried about the UK. Russia wants to find out if the US will actually commit to defending NATO or not. And we're giving them signs that we might not. I don't think there is any chance russia would mess with nato if the US were clear eyed about what we would do. Any other president would be sending reinforcements to the baltic states right now just to shut down any talk about russia invading. But we're currently doing the opposite and talking about bringing troops home. Its the wrong message at the wrong time. You were bitching we didn’t have enough troops in Estonia and I explained how the force there works. Any other president would be sending reinforcements to the Baltics right now? What information do you have, that you are basing that on? What information do we have on Russia’s plan? What information do we have that would require the proposed 25,000 troops else where? If the troops are planned on being needed in a different theater, how difficult would it be to move those 25,000 troops to other theaters in contested environments? Other Presidents would be making decisions off of those questions and answers not your feelings. Bringing the troops home? Where did we say that? In the force posture review is it not stated that we are reviewing moving forces into the Baltics from Western Europe? Lastly we are enabling and helping Ukraine to devastate Russia. Example are seen in this thread every day. Yet we are not going to defend the rest of Europe? |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: As you note, UK has lead in Estonia for NATO. But all troops there add up to a couple thousand. Let's be honest, NATO deployments in the Baltics are a tripwire force, not sufficient to defend against major ground invasion. And there's the old argument that we can see what they're doing therefore they cannot threaten the Baltics. Western ISR is the best, hands down. Western air power is the best. All true. But it's also not relevant. Putin deciding on attacking the Baltics has nothing to do with tactical-level forces present there. A greater issue is the recent comment by a NATO head of state saying "I don't want Slovakia to be part of any military conflict because of some Article 5." Slovakia BTW, would be a border state with Russia, if Russia defeats Ukraine. And it sounds like Fico is ready to play the part of buffer state. A NATO member, and unwilling to defend another NATO member. That's where you invite aggression. Did you not read the part where we have it set up for full brigades to arrive grab their equipment and fight? You acknowledge we have the best intelligence in the world but we wouldn’t reinforce the Baltics when we see a full invasion being prepared? Lol. So your thesis is we would see everything Russia is doing and just sit back and let them hit our “limited” forces on the ground? We wouldn’t surge additional forces into the region beforehand? NATO air forces in Europe wouldn’t just annihilate Russia ground forces? Seriously what kind of smooth brained response is this “And there's the old argument that we can see what they're doing therefore they cannot threaten the Baltics. Western ISR is the best, hands down. Western air power is the best. All true. But it's also not relevant.” I will agree that Slovakia is an issue. If they just sit on their hands and don’t participate in the near future though it’s not like we are losing much. Long term if Ukraine falls it’s much more of an issue. |
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Originally Posted By ETNSBK: After the west tried to imprison him for shining a light on their bullshit, he didn't have a lot of choices on where to run. What would you do? But did Assange highlight US dirty dealing while ignoring Russia doing the same or worse? I dont know. And did Assange ignore Russian dirt BEFORE or after he got in trouble with the USA? I can't tolerate a "righteous crusader" thinking he is revealing corruption and injustice with the USA while ignoring it in Russia. |
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Originally Posted By Longshore87:I will agree that Slovakia is an issue. If they just sit on their hands and don’t participate in the near future though it’s not like we are losing much. Long term if Ukraine falls it’s much more of an issue. It's not just Slovakia, and Hungary until Orban lost. Look at AfD surging in Germany. Their Federal elections are next year. Look at RN in France, where Le Pen recently said she'd flat-out end aid to Ukraine - their national election is next year, also. What is Putin's goal? A multipolar world. Rebuilding Imperial Russia is only one side of the coin. Tearing down western power is the other side. If you get Fico's view repeated in Europe's biggest powers, NATO is in terminal decline. That seems destabilizing. What infuriates me is that the political Right in Europe is correct on domestic issues, but simultaneously wrong on Russia. I don't even understand why. Anti-immigration? Great. Pro-Russia? Uhh... no. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It's not just Slovakia, and Hungary until Orban lost. Look at AfD surging in Germany. Their Federal elections are next year. Look at RN in France, where Le Pen recently said she'd flat-out end aid to Ukraine - their national election is next year, also. What is Putin's goal? A multipolar world. Rebuilding Imperial Russia is only one side of the coin. Tearing down western power is the other side. If you get Fico's view repeated in Europe's biggest powers, NATO is in terminal decline. That seems destabilizing. What infuriates me is that the political Right in Europe is correct on domestic issues, but simultaneously wrong on Russia. I don't even understand why. Anti-immigration? Great. Pro-Russia? Uhh... no. I agree with you on all of that. Europes leaders the last 20+ years created that situation. It’s almost like they purposely created it to destroy the west. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: As you note, UK has lead in Estonia for NATO. But all troops there add up to a couple thousand. Let's be honest, NATO deployments in the Baltics are a tripwire force, not sufficient to defend against major ground invasion. And there's the old argument that we can see what they're doing therefore they cannot threaten the Baltics. Western ISR is the best, hands down. Western air power is the best. All true. But it's also not relevant. Putin deciding on attacking the Baltics has nothing to do with tactical-level forces present there. A greater issue is the recent comment by a NATO head of state saying "I don't want Slovakia to be part of any military conflict because of some Article 5." Slovakia BTW, would be a border state with Russia, if Russia defeats Ukraine. And it sounds like Fico is ready to play the part of buffer state. A NATO member, and unwilling to defend another NATO member. That's where you invite aggression. Yes. And a defeat of a NATO force, be it American, British, whatever, may NOT be Putin's goal. It could likely be just a test of NATO resolve. Will all of NATO unify and act together? What would NATO do if something like a Crimea occurred in a NATO country? Some small province, region, or town on the border inside a NATO country when a few dozen "little green men" start popping off, shoot some local cops and border guards, take city hall, round up the population, bring in a reinforcements? I have no idea about geography in the Baltics or what, if any "disputed territories" may have Russian populations or whatever but this playbook has been used since Hitler (Sudetenland) and probably prior. It would NOT be a test of NATO on a battlefield but in the political leadership which is the obvious weak link. |