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8/6/2004 8:55:22 AM EDT
We've seen them and participated in them.

Abortion, evolution/creation, freemasonry, and on and on...

With these debates that go on for 10+ pages, have any of you been swayed to change your opinion based on the arguments presented?

For the most part, I haven't.  I avoid debating a topic unless I've studied it.  I tend to be an observer with subjects that I'm not fairly well read on.  Like Clint said, "A man's gotta know his limitations."
8/6/2004 9:01:12 AM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
With these debates that go on for 10+ pages, have any of you been swayed to change your opinion based on the arguments presented?



If your opinions are swayed after reading
an internet message board, your opinions
were probably not well thought out to begin
with...
8/6/2004 9:06:02 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
With these debates that go on for 10+ pages, have any of you been swayed to change your opinion based on the arguments presented?



No. You would have to be a complete jellyfish to let some guy on the Gun Board change your view on serious social issues!

However, I have at times found the debates to be an excellent way to blow off steam and hone my debating skills.
8/6/2004 9:07:36 AM EDT
[#3]
There have been times that I've adjusted an opinion when presented with new information or a point of view I hadn't thought of.  That's called growth.

It just hasn't happened here yet.
8/6/2004 9:08:24 AM EDT
[#4]
In GD no. Other places yes - I bought a couple of TacPoints based on the debates in the optic's column.
8/6/2004 9:14:15 AM EDT
[#5]
TheCynic beat me to it. They are interesting sometimes though just because-well frankly I never would have thought that there were people running around loose who have some of the opinions that I've seen expressed here.

Without Arfkom I would never have bothered to read up on things like "Creationism" and "The Founding Father's Quotes on Religion" lol


Edit-I am starting to lean toward agreeing that Old Painless is right that working the charging handle after a tactical reload is better than slapping the mag release with the flat of your hand (I've been practicing both ways) so it's not like I never learned anything
8/6/2004 9:19:39 AM EDT
[#6]
I had been writing biogenesis when I meant Abiogenesis. Hundreds of wasted minutes reading, writing, debating over one letter.
8/6/2004 9:23:33 AM EDT
[#7]
I know one thing that has happened from all the debates.  I have come to appreciate a certain # of people who say what they believe and are not ashamed when the opposing side ridicules.  Off the top of my head, Brohawk and Old Painless,
8/6/2004 9:24:31 AM EDT
[#8]

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I had been writing biogenesis when I meant Abiogenesis. Hundreds of wasted minutes reading, writing, debating over one letter.



Well, at least that was fixed!
8/6/2004 9:34:30 AM EDT
[#9]
I changed my mind in favor of the popular opinion before I decided against it...
8/6/2004 9:44:24 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Edit-I am starting to lean toward agreeing that Old Painless is right that working the charging handle after a tactical reload is better than slapping the mag release with the flat of your hand (I've been practicing both ways) so it's not like I never learned anything



Well praise the Lord.

Seriously, I have changed my mind and seen other's changed.

I've had people IM me to tell me they have had their opinions changed due to reading long arguments on certain subjects.

As I've said before, I used to feel that felons, after serving their sentences, should not have the right to own firearms.  But someone argued that the Second Amendment is an "unalienable" right, given by God.  That is true, so, I changed my opinion and now believe that after serving their sentences, an ex-felon has as "unalienable" right to possess a firearm.  Who says an old dog can't learn new tricks.
8/6/2004 10:23:09 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Edit-I am starting to lean toward agreeing that Old Painless is right that working the charging handle after a tactical reload is better than slapping the mag release with the flat of your hand (I've been practicing both ways) so it's not like I never learned anything



I agree, but thats because my AR will FTF half of the time if I just slap the release.  
8/6/2004 10:23:49 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I had been writing biogenesis when I meant Abiogenesis. Hundreds of wasted minutes reading, writing, debating over one letter.




Me too - and I just did it again, so clearly I learned nothing!!  
8/6/2004 10:26:27 AM EDT
[#13]
never!  my unshakeable affinity for pie remains steadfast!
8/6/2004 10:27:51 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
TheCynic beat me to it. They are interesting sometimes though just because-well frankly I never would have thought that there were people running around loose who have some of the opinions that I've seen expressed here.

Without Arfkom I would never have bothered to read up on things like "Creationism" and "The Founding Father's Quotes on Religion" lol


Edit-I am starting to lean toward agreeing that Old Painless is right that working the charging handle after a tactical reload is better than slapping the mag release with the flat of your hand (I've been practicing both ways) so it's not like I never learned anything

You meant bolt release, right?
8/6/2004 10:29:18 AM EDT
[#15]
Yes I meant bolt release.
8/6/2004 10:33:10 AM EDT
[#16]
It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.
8/6/2004 10:35:02 AM EDT
[#17]

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It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.





Of course the bathroom debates can be pretty good too    
8/6/2004 10:35:03 AM EDT
[#18]

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It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.
8/6/2004 10:35:47 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.



Damn, that would be funny, I am sooooo glad it never happened!  I woudl feel like a fool!
8/6/2004 10:36:19 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.



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Of course the bathroom debates can be pretty good too    



What debate, other than the roll going over or the roll going under?
8/6/2004 10:37:29 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.



Damn, that would be funny, I am sooooo glad it never happened!  I woudl feel like a fool!

On the contrary good fellow.  It happened the first time you and me tangled.
Was the memory traumatic enough that you blocked it out?
8/6/2004 10:37:50 AM EDT
[#22]
Uh oh.

I may have to rethink the whole bolt release/charging handle issue.

Great.  Now I won't be able to sleep tonight.
8/6/2004 10:41:26 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.



Damn, that would be funny, I am sooooo glad it never happened!  I woudl feel like a fool!

On the contrary good fellow.  It happened the first time you and me tangled.
Was the memory traumatic enough that you blocked it out?



Could be, something like Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.  I'll take your word for it./  Shamefully; that is.
8/6/2004 10:46:00 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.



Damn, that would be funny, I am sooooo glad it never happened!  I woudl feel like a fool!

On the contrary good fellow.  It happened the first time you and me tangled.
Was the memory traumatic enough that you blocked it out?



Could be, something like Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.  I'll take your word for it./  Shamefully; that is.

To more fully explain, I was poking at your argument for a few pages, until you came out will some comment about "Your God may not like it, but my god doesn't have a problem with it", and that's when I hit you with the biological definition of life.  You ignored it then, and it took you three more debates until you could find a rebuttal to it that didn't involve completely ignoring the point.
The last debate was a draw.  
8/6/2004 10:46:59 AM EDT
[#25]

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Quoted:
It is not the kill that is the entertainment, it is the chase.  

Give me a juicy abortion debate, throw in a few humorless religous zealots and stir just a little bit, tell me that is not fun.  Go ahead, try and tell me.

You know what is REALLY fun?  Getting mistaken for a religious zealot, watching you tailor your argument to that end, and then hitting you from a direction you weren't watching.



Damn, that would be funny, I am sooooo glad it never happened!  I woudl feel like a fool!

On the contrary good fellow.  It happened the first time you and me tangled.
Was the memory traumatic enough that you blocked it out?



Could be, something like Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.  I'll take your word for it./  Shamefully; that is.

To more fully explain, I was poking at your argument for a few pages, until you came out will some comment about "Your God may not like it, but my god doesn't have a problem with it", and that's when I hit you with the biological definition of life.  You ignored it then, and it took you three more debates until you could find a rebuttal to it that didn't involve completely ignoring the point.
The last debate was a draw.  



Oh, that one, I didn't ignore the argument, I just ignored it.  Really.
8/6/2004 10:48:53 AM EDT
[#26]
I used to be a democrat sympathetic to the ACLU, PETA, and hated guns.  
8/6/2004 11:20:34 AM EDT
[#27]
I think that the problem with some of the debates is that people try to sway you from a viewpoint that you hold dear and would never change. In turn, you might get a little defensive or wholly pissed off.  I know at times I might get a little peeved at a person that I might overwise like and respect.  So, as a rule I try to avoid those debates though I find myself suckered in at times.
8/6/2004 11:30:56 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
...With these debates that go on for 10+ pages...



Oh, that's what you call them.
8/6/2004 6:27:22 PM EDT
[#29]
My mom used to tell every male family member that they "would argue with a fence post knowing it was right!"
8/6/2004 6:32:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Healthy debate is always a good thing, but when two or more people start butting heads in a web forum, it usually goes down hill fast.

Was it here or somewhere else where someone posted a photoshopped pic with the following phrase:

"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics.  Even if you win you are still a retard."

I thought that was one of the truest and funniest web forum posts I've seen in a very long time.
8/6/2004 6:44:17 PM EDT
[#31]
I have very strong opinions about many things, and they are mostly based on facts and/or logic.  If not facts, they are based on my own experience, which unfortunately I can't use to prove the validity of my beliefs to another person.  Therefore I can't imagine anything changing my stance on those issues.  But if someone shows me a good reason to question them, I try to be open-minded about it.  Of course, that doesn't happen much.